The Saudis seriously need to reform some aspects of Islam that they are propagating.

[jamal859]

This one sided views on sharia and not tolerating any other opinions on certain aspects of our religion has plunged the Muslim world into civil war.
Just because they control makkah and medina dosen't mean they can't be wrong. The holy land has been changing hands all the time.
I support Al sisi when he called for religious reform when he met with scholars from Azhar.

[HoyoosFavorite]

What makes you think we care about Saudia

[gegiroor]

Gaalo qurunley getting out of control in Somali forums lately. But the more you talk scumbags, the more you expose yourself.

But you should know one thing: We've been forewarned from people like you and those that are backing you. And make no mistake about it: We (Muslims) will have the last laugh.

[Adal99]

Gaalo qurunley getting out of control in Somali forums lately. But the more you talk scumbags, the more you expose yourself.

But you should know one thing: We've been forewarned from people like you and those that are backing you. And make no mistake about it: We (Muslims) will have the last laugh.

you do know that athiesm is growing amongst Somali women since Somali men like to use Islam or wahabhism to control their womens sexuality whilst themselves do Haram s. Ive known 10 Somali athiests in my neighbourhood, 8 of them are women, 2 of them are men, one is gay. I dont see heterosexual Somali men ditching Islam since as a misogynistic relgion, it benefits them the most, but I do see many Somali women born overseas in the west embracing feminism and the sexual freedom, not to mention Athiesm. Dw, ill be suprised if Islam lasts for 100 years in the somali western community. Youre kind are like the dianousaur, eventually you will be gone from this earth, and good riddance too. We dont need religion. Islam fears a womans full sexual powers. With the Vagina, we can rule the world.

[UlteriorMotive]

you do know that athiesm is growing amongst Somali women since Somali men like to use Islam or wahabhism to control their womens sexuality whilst themselves do Haram s. Ive known 10 Somali athiests in my neighbourhood, 8 of them are women, 2 of them are men, one is gay. I dont see heterosexual Somali men ditching Islam since as a misogynistic relgion, it benefits them the most, but I do see many Somali women born overseas in the west embracing feminism and the sexual freedom, not to mention Athiesm. Dw, ill be suprised if Islam lasts for 100 years in the somali western community. Youre kind are like the dianousaur, eventually you will be gone from this earth, and good riddance too. We dont need religion. Islam fears a womans full sexual powers. With the Vagina, we can rule the world.

So how have you been embracing your sexual freedom

Have you been getting ran through

[gegiroor]

Gaalo qurunley getting out of control in Somali forums lately. But the more you talk scumbags, the more you expose yourself.

But you should know one thing: We've been forewarned from people like you and those that are backing you. And make no mistake about it: We (Muslims) will have the last laugh.

you do know that athiesm is growing amongst Somali women since Somali men like to use Islam or wahabhism to control their womens sexuality whilst themselves do Haram s. Ive known 10 Somali athiests in my neighbourhood, 8 of them are women, 2 of them are men, one is gay. I dont see heterosexual Somali men ditching Islam since as a misogynistic relgion, it benefits them the most, but I do see many Somali women born overseas in the west embracing feminism and the sexual freedom, not to mention Athiesm. Dw, ill be suprised if Islam lasts for 100 years in the somali western community. Youre kind are like the dianousaur, eventually you will be gone from this earth, and good riddance too. We dont need religion. Islam fears a womans full sexual powers. With the Vagina, we can rule the world.

You got it wrong; every atheist will die in the West, while we (Muslims) thrive, have children, and grow in the West and in Muslim lands. Do you realize Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world and in the west? While you mentioned few Somalis who left Islam, do you know how many white and black westerners who converted to Islam on daily basis? Men or women, whomever that left Islam, did it at their own peril. In reality, they led a degenerate life, so even when they claimed to be Muslims, their life were screwed up, so it is not like practicing Muslims have left Islam. Alhamdulillah, Muslims like me are not to worrying about few or whatever the number of Somalis who left Islam. You will worry me if you want to head backhome and advocate for your degenerate lifestyle, but since you're all staying in the West, you will all die out quickly. You don't need to explain to me about the power of your private parts. And Islam doesn't fear anyone; seriously, if we fear anyone, we wouldn't receiving the enormous conversions everyday - we're talking about people with dignity, not those who waived their private parts at everyone who passed by!

[drobbah]

So how have you been embracing your sexual freedom

Have you been getting ran through

[Thuganomics]

So how have you been embracing your sexual freedom

Have you been getting ran through

[Siciid85]

So how have you been embracing your sexual freedom

Have you been getting ran through

[jamal859]

Gaalo qurunley getting out of control in Somali forums lately. But the more you talk scumbags, the more you expose yourself.

But you should know one thing: We've been forewarned from people like you and those that are backing you. And make no mistake about it: We (Muslims) will have the last laugh.

am a sufi as were most somalis for thousands of years

[Grant]

Gaalo qurunley getting out of control in Somali forums lately. But the more you talk scumbags, the more you expose yourself.

But you should know one thing: We've been forewarned from people like you and those that are backing you. And make no mistake about it: We (Muslims) will have the last laugh.

am a sufi as were most somalis for thousands of years

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Somalia

"Religious orders always have played a significant role in Somali Islam. The rise of these orders (Tarika, "way" or "path") was connected with the development of Sufism, a mystical sect within Islam that began during the 9th and 10th centuries and reached its height during the 12th and 13th. In Somalia Sufi orders appeared in towns during the 15th century and rapidly became a revitalizing force."

500 years max does not equal "thousands". The Salihiya were only founded in 1887. The Qadiriya were still converting the southern interior in the late 19th and early 20th centuries.

http://beeshadireed.blogspot.com/2012/0 ... order.html

"The Qadiriya, the oldest Sufi Order in Islam, was introduced into Harar in the 15th century by Sharif Abu Bakr ibn 'Abd Allah al-'Aydarus (known as al-Qutb ar-Rabbani, ("The Divine Axis"), who died in 1508-9 (A.H.91 1 ) . Abu Bakr is probably the best-known Shai'ite saint in southern Arabia - where he is called al-'Adani (15) and his mosque is the most famous in Aden (16). The Qadiriya became the official Order of Harar and has considerable influence in the surrounding country. To the south the Order does not appear to have acquired much importance in the interior of Somalia until the beginning of the l9th century when the settlement of Bardera, known locally as jamaha, was founded on the Juba river. The Qadiriya has a high reputation for orthodoxy, is on the whole literary rather than propagandist, and is said to maintain a higher standard of Islamic instruction than its rivals. The Ahmediya, and the derivative Saalihiya, were both introduced into southern Somalia towards the close of the last century, although the Ahmediya may have entered British Somaliland somewhat earlier. This Order was founded by Sayyid Ahmad ibn Idris al-Fasi (1760-1837) of Mecca and brought to Somalia by Sheik Ali Maye Durogba of Merka. Muhammad ibn Salih, in 1887, founded the Saalihiya as an offshoot of the Rashidiya founded by Ahmad ibn Idris's pupil Ibrahlm al-Rashid (Cerulli, 1923, pp. 11, 12; Trimingham, 1959, pp. 235 6). The principal Saalihiya proselytizer in Somalia was Sheik Muhammad Guled, a former slave, who launched the Order there by the foundation of a community among the Shidle (a Negroid people occupying the mid-reaches of the Shebelle river, see Lewis, 1955, p. 41). Muhammad Guled died in 1918 and his tomb is at Misra (named after Cairo, Misra in Somali), one of the communities which he had established among the Shidle. The Order's stronghold is in Somalia but there are some communities in British Somaliland. According to Cerulli (op. cit., pp. 14, 18) the Saalihiya is strongly propagandist and inferior to the Qadiriya in mysticism and teaching. In the past it has been closely associated with Somali nationalism and the two rebellions of this century have taken place under its mantle and in its name. The more important rising was that led by Muhammad b. 'Abd Allah (born about 1865) of the Habr Suleemaan Ogaadeen tribe, who made several pilgrimages to Mecca (1890-9), and joining the Saalihiya, sought to attract the northern Somali to this Order."

[gurey25]

Jamal are you really a Sufi?
Do you know what it is?
Are you a member if a tariqa, Do you always seek to get closer to God and improve yourself?
Do you sacrifice your time and money in a daily purpose to get close to God through good works like charity and constant dikr?
This is called ihsan.

Sufism is not an alternate sect of Islam, it's an integral part of Islam.

If you wish to challenge the Wahhabi as you call them
You need to discuss fiqh with them and to a less aqeeda.

[gurey25]

And jamal you yourself are a victim of highly successful Saudi propaganda and influence.
You already attached allot if importance to Saudi scholars.

While I do not.

I have zero respect for Saudi authorities and all who cooperate with them including those called scholars.
They automatically go into my ignore list.
But I know I am prejudiced and I have discovered a couple of great scholars in Saudi that I greatly admire.
So this is a flaw from my side.

Whenever I come across a Saudi scholar or a Somali scholar educated there I assume he is an idiot.
But then I keep reminding myself not to judge and I look again.

The majority of Somalis and a growing percentage f Muslims around the world have the same flaw as me but in the opposite direction.
If they come across a Saudi or anyone associated with them they automatically attach great respect and holiness to them.

[LiquidHYDROGEN]

I agree with Gurey. The saudi have contributed to a huge dumbing down and literalism within the diin. They are a cancerous influence that needs to be removed from Somalia.

[gurey25]

I agree with Gurey. The saudi have contributed to a huge dumbing down and literalism within the diin. They are a cancerous influence that needs to be removed from Somalia.

The anti_intellectualism of the salafi/Wahhabi goes against Islam. God tells us to think to ponder in the quran while other religions want blind faith and emotions.
This is a serious problem because for the first time we have a serious challenge in secularism.

For the first time since the rasul calyhi Al Salam
Muslims are leaving Islam in droves.
And not for other religions but for secularism.

People's intuition and intelligence drives them towards science and logic and Islam will be lumped in with all the other religions and cults as superstition when they face our friends who call themselves salafis.

May God have mercy on all of us