Brazil's Corporate Coup - Latin American countries voicing disapproval to Dilma Rousseff's Impeachment!

[FAH1223]

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[gurey25]

The beast needs to feed desperatley,
formerly closed markets need to be opened for speculation especially it has natural resources to be milked.
The vassals will also have to open up and allow for some feeding from the master, this is where TPP and TTIP comes in.
This is part of the strategy of kicking the bucket down the road a few more years.
Those banister crooks are more devious than i can imagine, and i am not cynical enough or paranoid enough to imagine how low they can go.

sooner or later the bubble will burst, it cannot be inflated for ever.

[FAH1223]

Venezuela is next

[FAH1223]

[Machiavelli2]

Both sides of the Brazilian politics are highly corrupt and Ms Dilma is no saint, but let us ask ourselves, under Brazilian constitution, is the impeachment legal? Most of those who engineered her impeachment are her former allies such as, the former House Speaker Eduardo Cunha a former member of Ms Rousseff's Workers' Party. His petition was accepted by the then-speaker of the lower house of Congress, Eduardo Cunha who was a former ally of Ms Rousseff. They needed two thirds majority to impeach her and that means including many deputies of her own party to vote to impeach her. Her approval ratings of 79% in March 2013 crashed to 10% in March 2016. President Nixon decided to resign instead face a certain impeachment, was it a "left coup", or he broke the laws governing his presidency? She could have resigned and her vice president could have assumed the presidency. She is now irrelevant in Brazil even her staunchest supporters the poor have abandoned her en masse. Let us not be blinded by the endearment towards the Left political elite.

[FAH1223]

Both sides of the Brazilian politics are highly corrupt and Ms Dilma is no saint, but let us ask ourselves, under Brazilian constitution, is the impeachment legal? Most of those who engineered her impeachment are her former allies such as, the former House Speaker Eduardo Cunha a former member of Ms Rousseff's Workers' Party. His petition was accepted by the then-speaker of the lower house of Congress, Eduardo Cunha who was a former ally of Ms Rousseff. They needed two thirds majority to impeach her and that means including many deputies of her own party to vote to impeach her. Her approval ratings of 79% in March 2013 crashed to 10% in March 2016. President Nixon decided to resign instead face a certain impeachment, was it a "left coup", or he broke the laws governing his presidency? She could have resigned and her vice president could have assumed the presidency. She is now irrelevant in Brazil even her staunchest supporters the poor have abandoned her en masse. Let us not be blinded by the endearment towards the Left political elite.

She's no saint and certainly not a great leader.

But the principle is basically that 54 million votes from 18 months ago means nothing. She won an election.

Plus tons of other Presidents use discretion in allocating funds in the budget for programs. Why is she being singled out? This isn't like Watergate.

It's a neoliberal plot. Temer is part of the center right party, he's appointed a cabinet full of cadaan crooked men. But Wall Street loves him as he starts to do the same things the neoliberal Macri is doing in Argentina!

And poor Brazillians esp if color will continue to suffer.

Also, BRICS has suffered massively here.

Lula is definitely going to run again.

[Machiavelli2]

FAH1223

Ina Adeer, Lula is as corrupt like anyone else within the elite of Brazil and he is certainly facing corruption charges at the scandal involving state-oil company Petrobras. The Workers Party have been abandoned by their main supporters, the poor and the working class. Lula is politically as dead as Dilma.

Parliament needs 2/3 (two thirds) majority to impeach the president, where did the "neo-liberals" get that amount of Members of Parliament to impeach her? Many members of her own party who had reasonable cause to impeach her voted for her impeachment. That is not a coup d'etat by the neo liberals, but it is a collective act by members of the parliament even members of her own party who were exercising the rules and laws of the constitution according to the sentiments and approval of the voters of their electorates. In Brazil, the elite of the Left became very corrupt and greedy and thus have abandoned their principles of socialism, supporters and constituencies. Look at the numbers of demonstrations against and pro her. The Workers Party in Brazil is a failed project and are now a spent force.

[FAH1223]

FAH1223

Ina Adeer, Lula is as corrupt like anyone else within the elite of Brazil and he is certainly facing corruption charges at the scandal involving state-oil company Petrobras. The Workers Party have been abandoned by their main supporters, the poor and the working class. Lula is politically as dead as Dilma.

Parliament needs 2/3 (two thirds) majority to impeach the president, where did the "neo-liberals" get that amount of Members of Parliament to impeach her? Many members of her own party who had reasonable cause to impeach her voted for her impeachment. That is not a coup d'etat by the neo liberals, but it is a collective act by members of the parliament even members of her own party who were exercising the rules and laws of the constitution according to the sentiments and approval of the voters of their electorates. In Brazil, the elite of the Left became very corrupt and greedy and thus have abandoned their principles of socialism, supporters and constituencies. Look at the numbers of demonstrations against and pro her. The Workers Party in Brazil is a failed project and are now a spent force.

But The Workers Party has won 4 straight presidential elections bro. Yes, They have often aligned with and served the country’s elite at the expense of their base of poor supporters.

Brazil is corrupt in general. 60% of the Congress is tied to some scandal.

But the principle is basically that the PSDB can't win executive office and has the plutocracy of those own the media believe in selling the country off to Wall Street and Exxon.

Temer is just as unpopular as Dilma and the same amount of Brazilians want him impeached.

Why not settle this at the ballot box?

It's clear who's benefitting from this

[Machiavelli2]

Ina Adeer, you are right that Dilma & Lula won 4 consecutive elections but it wasn't won by the Workers Party. Their party never won an outright majority to rule but they won the elections in a coalition with other parties. The PMDP was the largest party within the coalition and Temer as Vice President and the leader of the PMDP should inherit the presidency according to the constitution. The PMDP is not a Right Wing party. Therefore, it could be termed as a Left Vs Left in this crisis. Although the Neo-liberals will make a mileage out of it and it is an opportunity to be taken advantage of the outcome, it has got very little to do with them on the evolution of this crisis.

[Tiburon]

news feed from venezuelan telesur lol. Now that is what I least expected in somalinet....A Chavismo moment miyaad ku jirtaa FAH1223

[gegiroor]

Is there any Somali who lives in Brazil that can give an insight info?

I think it is not as black and white as some of us are making it out to be.

All I know is as much as the Brazilians love football (soccer), the got wiped out in the last world cup by Germany. Stupid Germans, they were so brutal and shouldn't have done what they did. They could still win it without the kind of brutality that they displayed.

What else do I know Brazil? They produce a lot of sugar, it is where the Amazon rain forest is located, and the giant snake called Anaconda lives there as well. They also throw a good Caribana.

That is all. You guys can continue talk about the rest!

[FAH1223]

news feed from venezuelan telesur lol. Now that is what I least expected in somalinet....A Chavismo moment miyaad ku jirtaa FAH1223

Would you be OKAY with a BBC link? Bloomberg?

And yes, I don't like neoliberalism at all. But I'm not a proponent of inefficient left wing policies!

[Machiavelli2]

I see disturbing images coming out of Venezuela and my South American friends who are true believers in Bolivariansmo admit that the Chavez experiment was a disaster. They also concede a similar fate has be fallen on the left in Brazil. Both ends of the political spectrum lack the policies to address societies needs at the 21st century.

[hangool79]

Both sides of the Brazilian politics are highly corrupt and Ms Dilma is no saint, but let us ask ourselves, under Brazilian constitution, is the impeachment legal? Most of those who engineered her impeachment are her former allies such as, the former House Speaker Eduardo Cunha a former member of Ms Rousseff's Workers' Party. His petition was accepted by the then-speaker of the lower house of Congress, Eduardo Cunha who was a former ally of Ms Rousseff. They needed two thirds majority to impeach her and that means including many deputies of her own party to vote to impeach her. Her approval ratings of 79% in March 2013 crashed to 10% in March 2016. President Nixon decided to resign instead face a certain impeachment, was it a "left coup", or he broke the laws governing his presidency? She could have resigned and her vice president could have assumed the presidency. She is now irrelevant in Brazil even her staunchest supporters the poor have abandoned her en masse. Let us not be blinded by the endearment towards the Left political elite.

I never understood why this east europian romani qumaayo was elected by Lula, I think alot of these lefties decided to taste the milk, they are not so much better, but still way better then the old class.

[Lamagoodle]

I have been to Brazil recently. It is a country of inequalities and contrasts. There is also a general sense of superficiality in everything.

Economic inequalities are probably more evident than any other country. Both the Gini coefficient and Lorenz curves used by economists provide a dire reading on equalities; more than double of that of Protestant Europe and 20-30% of that of the USA. Before Lula/Dilma, it was almost 3-4 times.

Racism is rampant even though – on the general level- Brazil remains one of the most mixed nations.

In parts of Brazil, there are German, Italian and Asian communities where language/culture/citizenship of the original countries of migrations are preserved. For instance, millions of Brazilians have dual citizenships; Italians, Germans etc
One of the least developed states is Salvador de Bahia which is mainly home to Africans.

In Brazil everything is done on grand scale. There is no modesty; racism, plastic surgery, political activism, lobbyism, you name it.

The whole of South America is characterized by a left-right ( bourgeoisie vs proletariat). I think the main reason is that most of them gained/sought independence during the Marx/Angels era or just before that. Simón Bolívar (Venezuella) and other leaders of the so called Latin American Wars of Independence were revolutionaries who were influenced by the American war of independence, the French revolution and Napoleon.

It was in south America that the intellectual neo-marxist movements gained foothold in 1950s-1980s. Several of these later became influencial not only in the intellectual world but also by taking public offices. But, successive military coup d'États, followed by dictatorships meant that South America largely remained outside the realm of democracy.

The current issue in Brazil; Lula and the labour movement have certainly made Brazil competitive. Most of his time in power coincided with a time of global economic growth. Brazil became part of the BRIC (later on TS ; Turkey and South Africa) and became an economic power. Dilma continued along this path. But, there were cases of corruption and the issue of breaking the law by “enron” kind of cooking the books.

The irony is that the new interim Brazilian president- Syrian/Lebanese- was part of her coalition.

The big issue is that there is a recession – a long one- and the right (aka neoliberalism winds of change are blowing) – and there needs to be a scape goat.

In summary, as long as the economy was rolling, the right could not say anything... but as the going got tough, Dilma could the books (debt-borrowing-budget) in order to stay in power; the right wanted a scape goat .

Venezuela; Maduro is not like Hugo Chavez; he does not have the aura of Chavez. A bus driver without the intellectual foundations of Marxism, he is.