Economic Collapse Thread

[James Dahl]

I'm a peak oil guy and a dollar crisis guy, which makes me a conspiracy theorist I guess lol, even though it's not a conspiracy and involves openly available information <_<

We already have the technology to switch to alternative energy, we don't need to resort to coal. Coal exhaust isn't just dirty, it's radioactive. We have the technology to make the switch to solar for all our energy, it'll just be profoundly expensive.

Nuclear is a decent option but it's horribly expensive and we don't really have a good answer to nuclear waste or nuclear accidents. We have the technology to harness nuclear power but we can't *really* control it. We don't have force fields or some shit like that where if something goes horribly wrong we can't contain the reacting nuclear materials or stop them from melting through the reactor floor.

[gurey25]

I'm a peak oil guy and a dollar crisis guy, which makes me a conspiracy theorist I guess lol, even though it's not a conspiracy and involves openly available information <_<

We already have the technology to switch to alternative energy, we don't need to resort to coal. Coal exhaust isn't just dirty, it's radioactive. We have the technology to make the switch to solar for all our energy, it'll just be profoundly expensive.

Nuclear is a decent option but it's horribly expensive and we don't really have a good answer to nuclear waste or nuclear accidents. We have the technology to harness nuclear power but we can't *really* control it. We don't have force fields or some shit like that where if something goes horribly wrong we can't contain the reacting nuclear materials or stop them from melting through the reactor floor.

I am unaware of this revolutionary solar technology!
Last time i checked solar was not energy dense enough, even in the middle of the atacama desert you would not be able to match the efficiency of thermal plants like gas or oil and coal. and what about somewhere like the pacific northwest?

The bigger problem is transmission of all that power to where its needed,
theoretically papering a small part of the sahara could provide electricity for a large part of europe, but no technology exists to transmit that much power efficiencty, yet, and we are decades away from room temperature super conductors and it is strongly hinted that manufacturing that would require zero gravity.

When i suggested coal to liqueds, i was thinking practically, lets assume peak oil is real and the major G-20 economies agree its a threat, this is the only option open to them.
The technology is mature and ready today, its a matter of throwing money and mass producing modular parts for the coal to liqued plants and the 3rd generation and 4rth generation nuclear plants.
They can do this in 10 years.

Depending on how efficient and well planned the move is, it will be no worse than WW2 UK economy, with food rationining in the advanced economies and famine in the third world, followed by an economic boom as all that industrial production and energy comes into line.

as for nuclear, i suggest you read up on nuclear plants, even wikipedia will be enough to get an idea.

for example Fukishima is a boiling water plant a close relative of the presurized light water plant the most popular type of reactor.
both are late 1940's designs, and fukushima was built in 1970, already obsolete and unsafe.
and both pressurized water and boiling water reactors are actually the worst design you can have in terms of saftey and efficiency
they were built first and made popular because the US navy had experience with high pressure turbines and pressure vessels and Admiral Rickover needed to built a reactor quickly for submarine use.
When people wanted to build commercial reactors they went for the cheaper option of using an exisiting design(n PWR which are crap) instead of starting from scratch..
so you see its all a bad accident.

3rd generation plants are 2nd generation plants that are more efficient and have allot of safety features.
e.g the new Korean plants for the UAE, KEPCO's AR-1400's are some of the safest in the world, and nearly meltdown proof.
Fukishima or even long mile island type accidents are very difficult due to the design.

now 4rth generation like high temperature molten salts, are meltdown proof.
infact you can bomb a working reactor and still have no meltdown and very little radiation leaks.

The hippie anti-nulcear folks have not kept up with the technology,
Nuclear power is the cleanest and most efficient source we have today.
If they are so worried about the green house effect, and global warmer they should be campaiging for everyone to be like France and get 75%-80% of their power from Nuclear,.

[James Dahl]

Eh, I dunno man, I've heard that before about nuclear plants, and I'm no anti-nuclear nut. Fission energy also has the problem that if the whole world turns to nuclear energy, everyone will have nukes. I'm not sure if that's a good idea.

[gurey25]

Eh, I dunno man, I've heard that before about nuclear plants, and I'm no anti-nuclear nut. Fission energy also has the problem that if the whole world turns to nuclear energy, everyone will have nukes. I'm not sure if that's a good idea.

Its not opinion its fact.
The inherent safety of the new reactor designs if a modernized version of the PWR we have today like nearly all the french reactors and the Korean one i mentioned earlier cannot be disputed.

and mind you PWR was the worst choice possible the most unsafe design

and molten salts reactors and other 4rth generation designs are 100% meltdown proof, due to their design.

now if you are worried about proliferation, another popular anti-nuclear argument.
then use a different fuel, Thorium.
Thorium fuel and waste make a very difficult to process and use fuel for a fission bomb.
it will take new technologies and world class scientists and infrastructure to even attempt this,
there are far easier ways to get bomb quality fuel.

The more thorium is popular the harder it is to get uranium and plutonium fissile material, and harder to hide if you run an underground project.
and the generation 3 designs are black boxs, just plug and play.
refueling is once every year or 3 depending on design, countries like Kenya or cambodia with little technical staff can operate it,
all the refueling and maintenance will be done by contractors.

[TJcombo]

Don't be gullible the Elite will never release those technologies and other advanced technologies that are suppressed to keep making money from dirty Carbon fuels. We've been stuck in the Oil age for over 120 years and still nothing for the sheep

No Cold Fusion, No Thorium, No Water cars you can forget it all because unless it makes insane profits for the Elite it's not gonna be released

I''ll give you an example there was a Phillipino man who made a Honda run on water and he got famous and even the president came to see him. The man asked whether the Phillipines government would help invest with him and his water car project. The president told him the truth and said we can't really do that because every country in the world runs on Oil taxes. 50% of oil is taxed in most countries and there is no way government is going to give up all that revenue from taxing every gallon and liter of Oil. Water cars are made every year by somebody and you never hear of them ever again because the person who made them is either paid off or killed like Stanley Mayer

The truth is mankind would already be living like Star Trek if it wasn't for Greed

[Prlnce]

I see we have Alex Jones subscribers on this forum.

[gurey25]

i hate that shit...
he has done more to help the elite by confusing people.
mixing nonesense and fairy tales with facts and real issues so that they are all thrown out together.
while he goes on about chemtrails and HAARP and godknows what nonesense like illuminati, he distracts people from real conspiracies like how the people are getting robbed blind, and how democracy is slowly becoming meaningless.
pretty sure he works for those he keeps harping about .

[Prlnce]

chemtrails that gets me everytime

Alex Jones already predicted Economic Collapse with 15 European nations going down by 2012 only problem it's 20 f-king 16.

[TJcombo]

Nobody cares about Bill Hicks or Alex Jones or whatever you wanna call that Ted Turner shill. He's a gatekeeper I'm sorry if you ever followed his advice about 2012 collapse

BTW you can laugh about Chemtrails but that shit is real and it's used for many purposes like geo engineering, sunlight deflection, weather modification. You can go to any major city they spray daily and the sky is not blue anymore its gray as the constant spraying blocks sunlight. You have to go like a 100 miles away from major cities to experience what the sky used to look like before the heavy spraying.

But you go ahead and poo poo everything

usefully sheep lobby

[James Dahl]

hey Bill Hicks was a great comedian, he's also been dead for more than 20 years

[Gaashaanle1000]

Don't be gullible the Elite will never release those technologies and other advanced technologies that are suppressed to keep making money from dirty Carbon fuels. We've been stuck in the Oil age for over 120 years and still nothing for the sheep

No Cold Fusion, No Thorium, No Water cars you can forget it all because unless it makes insane profits for the Elite it's not gonna be released

I''ll give you an example there was a Phillipino man who made a Honda run on water and he got famous and even the president came to see him. The man asked whether the Phillipines government would help invest with him and his water car project. The president told him the truth and said we can't really do that because every country in the world runs on Oil taxes. 50% of oil is taxed in most countries and there is no way government is going to give up all that revenue from taxing every gallon and liter of Oil. Water cars are made every year by somebody and you never hear of them ever again because the person who made them is either paid off or killed like Stanley Mayer

The truth is mankind would already be living like Star Trek if it wasn't for Greed

Exactly!

That is why Nikola Tesla died alone, bankrupt and without seeing his vision come to reality, namely providing free clean energy to all mankind.

There are greedy evil bastards that are literally against anything that might benefit mankind, as they see us as vermin that need to die, rather than prosper. They keep everything of value for themselves by buying it and keeping it secret.

[gurey25]

This is why the elites are winning, people are either apathetic or distracted by bullshit like the above "free energy" tesla stuff and water powerd cars snake oil.
The smart conspiracy theorists mix the real with the false and sometimes they work a little hard and make the false look really convincing.
All this is a distraction, the empire is a maestro with smoke and mirrors.

Now water powered engines are a crock of shit, breaking the laws of thermodynamics,
and poor tesla never mentioned free energy, they misunderstood the guy, to bbe honest most people did not understand most of what he said.
wardencliffe tower was about wireless transmission of electricity not "free energy" and he was right
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wireless_power_transfer its now cmmercially available.

yes allot of real working technology has been suppressed, because it hurts profits,
technology that can be replicated by anyone and proven to work..

just dont fall into the trap of pseudo-science and baseless conspiracy theories,
just open a history book, there are allot of real conspiracies that happened and are now acknowledged by most people,
and there are even more intricate conspiracies out there, and even comedic extremly funny accidents and coincidences..

[Gaashaanle1000]

No one is claiming that it is "Free energy", the source is from nature. What is being said here is that it would be free as in not costing anything according to his vision.
The guy had many brilliant ideas that were unfortunately never shared with the public and confiscated at the time of his death never to be released as reported by his nephew Sava Kasanovic.

Alternative energy is a big subject, and geothermal energy alone if harnessed properly could power the planet for a Millenia. To add to this there are many great ideas that are stifled in favour of wars and corrupt economic systems, like maglev vacuum trains that could literally revolutionise transportation.

I find it funny that nowadays claiming everything as a conspiracy is regarded as being level headed, yes there are many conspiracies that are utterly foolish, but this does not make them all false. Contrary to popular belief, those who blanket all conspiracies as "nut job fantasies" are not logical or intelligent, but just the differing side of the same crazy coin. Step back outside and think for yourself!

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