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Re: Subhannallah.

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Macarons wrote:
jalaaludin5 wrote:
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You're conflating two issues. These white cops are paid by taxpayers to do one job and to do it right. As representatives of the state if they fail then the consequences are much bigger than just individual black criminals attacking each other on the streets. They are under oath to 'protect' and to 'serve' the citizens of said state. Criminal citizens did not.
Yes, black on black crime happens but they are internal issues to be fixed within that community. It does not justify white cops, who are servants of the citizenry, breaking the law.
What do you mean by....within the community? Are you saying this black on black murders is a family affair so let's first deal with the 'white racist cops' before we address our own little black Al-Qaeda with saggy pants?

In that case, how about blm change their name to something that leaves no doubt as to what their cause is about? A name that paint a clear picture of their FIGHT FOR JUSTICE AGAINST POLICE BRUTALITY, instead of this hypocritical title which contradict the objective and focus of the movement. At the moment all that seem to matter is the action and behaviour of white cops towards those ghetto black terrorist.

Blacks-against-blm. Their argument is based on sound judgement unlike this political movement called BLM who yearn to have their plight and suffering acknowledged by the white man.

Not a big fan of #Hypocrisymatter.. A.K.A BLM
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You're seeing things I haven't said. I never said priotise one over the other . As I said before, black-on-black crime is one issue and the police force's disproportionate brutality towards blacks is another. Your argument is like the person who objects to funding for cancer research because there are other diseases that need to be cured! The question is, why do you choose to conflate the two issues? They are separate. Also you have not acknowldeged my point on the people's power, citizens have the right to question public servants in a democracy, regardless of anything.
I wasn't ignoring your point about the right of citizens nor am I disputing the fact that law enforcement officers should be held accountable. My argument is that (and am not alone in this) blm are using white racist cops to distract the masses from the reality of the very same BLACK LIVES that they claim MATTER. The blm movement has grown and every time they take to the street, they are on every channel. Not only in America but across the world. And that's what cannot understand. Why not address the drive by shootings and black on black murders?

I wouldn't object to funding cancer because I can see what the funding was for (cancer). Its crystal clear. BLM (if the tittle is anything to go by) is also clear. Or it seem. But it's not about black lives per say, but rather black lives that was taken by a white racist cop. So it would be like asking for cancer research funding only to be used for a cure for malaria.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uS_zqxeoKF8
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Re: Subhannallah.

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jalaaludin5 wrote:
Macarons wrote:
jalaaludin5 wrote:
What do you mean by....within the community? Are you saying this black on black murders is a family affair so let's first deal with the 'white racist cops' before we address our own little black Al-Qaeda with saggy pants?

In that case, how about blm change their name to something that leaves no doubt as to what their cause is about? A name that paint a clear picture of their FIGHT FOR JUSTICE AGAINST POLICE BRUTALITY, instead of this hypocritical title which contradict the objective and focus of the movement. At the moment all that seem to matter is the action and behaviour of white cops towards those ghetto black terrorist.

Blacks-against-blm. Their argument is based on sound judgement unlike this political movement called BLM who yearn to have their plight and suffering acknowledged by the white man.

Not a big fan of #Hypocrisymatter.. A.K.A BLM
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You're seeing things I haven't said. I never said priotise one over the other . As I said before, black-on-black crime is one issue and the police force's disproportionate brutality towards blacks is another. Your argument is like the person who objects to funding for cancer research because there are other diseases that need to be cured! The question is, why do you choose to conflate the two issues? They are separate. Also you have not acknowldeged my point on the people's power, citizens have the right to question public servants in a democracy, regardless of anything.
I wasn't ignoring your point about the right of citizens nor am I disputing the fact that law enforcement officers should be held accountable. My argument is that (and am not alone in this) blm are using white racist cops to distract the masses from the reality of the very same BLACK LIVES that they claim MATTER. The blm movement has grown and every time they take to the street, they are on every channel. Not only in America but across the world. And that's what cannot understand. Why not address the drive by shootings and black on black murders?

I wouldn't object to funding cancer because I can see what the funding was for (cancer). Its crystal clear. BLM (if the tittle is anything to go by) is also clear. Or it seem. But it's not about black lives per say, but rather black lives that was taken by a white racist cop. So it would be like asking for cancer research funding only to be used for a cure for malaria.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uS_zqxeoKF8
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That first bolded part is a grand accusation. How do you prove that the intention of these activists is to distract from black on black crime using White racists? Even if they were White racist cops is a shame upon the state and proof that institutional racism has the system's support. It should be exposed by any means whether by BLM or anyone else.

Black on black crime is tragic and should be stopped but I fail to see why that has any bearing on preventing justice for those killed by racists. Why would you want to stop exposing the corrupt system that protects bad cops? Will it make black on black crime go away?

As for the 3rd bolded part, it seems your problem is with the name, BLM. To me, it's not too important, it can be called something else. But one can argue that the name was chosen to expose the State's negative attitude towards blacks in comparison to how it deals with other races (racial profiling by police, harassment, higher police killings etc.)
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Re: Subhannallah.

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Macarons wrote:
jalaaludin5 wrote:
Macarons wrote:
You're seeing things I haven't said. I never said priotise one over the other . As I said before, black-on-black crime is one issue and the police force's disproportionate brutality towards blacks is another. Your argument is like the person who objects to funding for cancer research because there are other diseases that need to be cured! The question is, why do you choose to conflate the two issues? They are separate. Also you have not acknowldeged my point on the people's power, citizens have the right to question public servants in a democracy, regardless of anything.
I wasn't ignoring your point about the right of citizens nor am I disputing the fact that law enforcement officers should be held accountable. My argument is that (and am not alone in this) blm are using white racist cops to distract the masses from the reality of the very same BLACK LIVES that they claim MATTER. The blm movement has grown and every time they take to the street, they are on every channel. Not only in America but across the world. And that's what cannot understand. Why not address the drive by shootings and black on black murders?

I wouldn't object to funding cancer because I can see what the funding was for (cancer). Its crystal clear. BLM (if the tittle is anything to go by) is also clear. Or it seem. But it's not about black lives per say, but rather black lives that was taken by a white racist cop. So it would be like asking for cancer research funding only to be used for a cure for malaria.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uS_zqxeoKF8
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That first bolded part is a grand accusation. How do you prove that the intention of these activists is to distract from black on black crime using White racists? Even if they were White racist cops is a shame upon the state and proof that institutional racism has the system's support. It should be exposed by any means whether by BLM or anyone else.

Black on black crime is tragic and should be stopped but I fail to see why that has any bearing on preventing justice for those killed by racists. Why would you want to stop exposing the corrupt system that protects bad cops? Will it make black on black crime go away?

As for the 3rd bolded part, it seems your problem is with the name, BLM. To me, it's not too important, it can be called something else. But one can argue that the name was chosen to expose the State's negative attitude towards blacks in comparison to how it deals with other races (racial profiling by police, harassment, higher police killings etc.)
You misunderstood. I didn't say I want to stop them exposing the corrupt system that protects bad cops, as you put it. I just couldn't make sense of why they do not address black on black shootings that takes place the same week/time where a white cop shot a black man?

You can say I don't understand the US, or it's because I don't live there which explains my ignorance. And you could be right. But after listening to the opposite argument of AA who have issue with blm, their take on the issue is based on sound judgement and I tend to agree with them. In a nutshell, blm are in a perfect position and at the perfect time to also address bl on bl killings. Why reserve all that fiery passion on just one cause when they kill two birds with one voice? That's all.
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Re: Subhannallah.

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Jalal, that's a question you have to ask the activists. I can only assume they are able to take on one monumental task at a time, these are both important yet huge issues in their own right. I'm not American but I know that there is racism rooted in every level in that country, from poor housing, to poor schools to eventually poor life choices. It will take decades to create a new generation of children from these communities that will have the same fair chance in life as the average White kid. If BLM are not giving the same attention to black on black crime, then people should raise awareness or give constructive criticism instead of diminishing their work altogether. Because I'm all for justice regardless.
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