professor ismail hurrey buba's speech

[MaydhMax]

the SL nation-state must exert total authority and control over the whole territory within our colonial made borders. by all means necessary with no politically correct sensitivity towards the feelings of domestic communities

[Raganimo]

the SL nation-state must exert total authority and control over the whole territory within our colonial made borders. by all means necessary with no politically correct sensitivity towards the feelings of domestic communities

If you had the capabilities to conquer and occupy our lands you would have done it in the past 25 years. You can't because it's simply impossible. Diplomacy is the only option.

I stopped caring about this issue as soon as it became clear to me that ictiraaf is never going to happen.

[Khalid Ali]

ragganimo adigu u should not care about wheter we take the land we are now in the land whether ucall it diplomacy or autocracy we are there the sadaat nation will not be stopped by a few darod vermin's u know that to as long as we raise the flag collect the tax rule the land and make u submit we dit what is in our power and u cant run to xamar even if u wanted to

[MaydhMax]

recognition is a matter of when not if as long as somaliland de facto is fully independent and controls 99.9% of ex british protectorate (except buhodle village, for now )

do you refute my above statement Rag

[Raganimo]

recognition is a matter of when not if as long as somaliland de facto is fully independent and controls 99.9% of ex british protectorate (except buhodle village, for now )

do you refute my above statement Rag

The international community has shown no signs of even considering to recognise SL in the past 25 years sxb. It's not going to happen.

What will happen is that you will get some concessions from the Somali government and remain an autonomous region. But you will not get full independence.

[Khalid Ali]

which somali govt lol what can the somali govt give sl what it already doesnt have lol. the amisom project cant give anythjng to aomaliland somaliland is a defacto state it runs its affairs so how can they give us that what will happen in 5 years or 10 years there will be talks between sl and somalia with international mediators and sl will be given a un referendum i dont know when i dont know how but sl will be given a un supervised referendum on independence thats the deal the amisom project knows this thats why they stalled the talks we dont mind we got the berbera deal all that is left is an energy deal. and we be good and the south will always remain weak with out us supporting them. either way we win u lose

[Raganimo]

^sounds like wishful thinking sxb. You're in for a rude awakening.

[MaydhMax]

rag what alternative to independence is there for reer SL that we would accept. we are a free people who reject having outsiders imposing their wishes upon us

[Khalid Ali]

lol wishful thinking do u really think xamar holds all the cards and we hold non and that they negotiate from a much stronger position than us ur naive but ur biased we will get what we want eventually and thats what mattees every independence struggle eventually wins united states against england eritrea against ethiopia south sudan vs sudan kosovo against Serbia. we have the best case and the weakensr enemy somalia. the talks just began 3 yeara ago becauae there was no govt before that in xamar or something that resembles a govt adigu ha is dilin uun the day sl gets recognized dont be suicidal.

[JSLHistorian]

In my opinion development is more important than ictiraaf but sometimes the two correlate. As you can see Mogadishu was transformed
in just few years from a rubble to the pearl of the Indian ocean again.

[Raganimo]

lol wishful thinking do u really think xamar holds all the cards and we hold non and that they negotiate from a much stronger position than us ur naive but ur biased we will get what we want eventually and thats what mattees every independence struggle eventually wins united states against england eritrea against ethiopia south sudan vs sudan kosovo against Serbia. we have the best case and the weakensr enemy somalia. the talks just began 3 yeara ago becauae there was no govt before that in xamar or something that resembles a govt adigu ha is dilin uun the day sl gets recognized dont be suicidal.

The day SL gets recognition I will be waving the SL flag as a proud citizen of dowlada Somaliland

[whitehartlane]

You can clearly tell the differences in quality between harti and isaaq by simply observing this thread..

The isaaqs in this thread with their foul abusive language come over as drunk uneducated deluded aggressive and somehow emotionally challenged.. where as Raganimo is composed mannered and above all well educated in the issue that is being discussed.

One isaaq don't Control any harti land. You can shout yell scream and be emotional about it all day long but their is no land that belongs to harti that is held by isaaq by force.

Sool sanaag iyo cayn

Harti Sool with the exception of laascanood is in the hands of the people of the land with zero presence of anything isaaq related. Non zero.. having a picture taken in the outskirts of laascaanood does not mean Jack.
Your currency or your flag or your statehood are not recognised anywhere not even in laascanod.

Forget about cayn

Sanaag

Where are you in sanaag besides isaaq lands and parts of ceerigaabo..no where no presence of any kind. Somaliland will never walk away with colonial borders. I'll give you a good reason for that

Baran
Haadaaftimo
Las qoray
Upto to the edges of ceerigaabo is in fact under puntland influence...trade education health care and district management.


The current Somalia election will give you a good indication of what the world recognises and what it doesn't. And the international community that you rely on so much is quit knowledgeable in matters of Somali affairs.

Mareexaan government officials coming from galgaduud and southern mudug will be selected by cadaado.

Hawiye senators from jubaland will be selected from in kismaayo

Ogadens from southwest state will be forwarded by Baydhabo

Hawiye from southwest state will also be forwarded by Baydhabo

Isaaqs in Somaliland will be selected also in very discreet by the current deputy prime minister with collaboration of Hargeysa.

All harti whether sanaag sool mudug nugaal bari or sool will be decided by garowe puntland. And it's true without the full support of ex British harti you are not going anywhere. these conditions are set approved and most likely executed by those that you are seeking colonial border recognition from.

In short the U.N. nations do not recognise the false information you submit to them.
You don't Control nothing keep paying some dodgy characters that represent ghost people.

So you can calaacal All you want i am a superpower iyo I own warsangeli iyo dhulbahante iyo baqbaqa aad ridaysid..


...it won't get you anywhere at all.

[Raganimo]

All these arguments are useless since ictiraaf is futile. It will never happen.

Many Hartis are pro-SL though, sadly that's not something that we can deny. But the way that some of these drunkards like Khalid spin it to make it to sound like we are under occupation is just laughable. It's also a sign of low intelligence since they pretty much end up sabotaging the decade long SL diplomatic campaign of winning hearts and minds and branding SL as a multi-clan state, which has been effective in convincing certain segments of our people that their future lies with SL.

[Khalid Ali]

where is puntland in all of this. sanaag sl is in all the territories in sanaag silanyo even visited lasqoray when was the last time ur cabdi cawar visited sanaag. puntland is being karbaashed by galmudug and u have no foot to stand on what happened to liberating laascaanood somaliland controls all 4 districts of sool xudun laascaanood caynabo and taleex tell us what part does punt land control. no one in the west cares for somalias selections they just dont want violance to spread to kenya and ethiopia. khatumo has thrown in the towel and are ready to be incooperated into sl. we are in the most strongest position ever. darood has been defeated in galkacyo and u and i both know that a hawiye leader will be elected next month. darood is politically irrelevant tplf is leaving galkacyo is burning khatumo gave up. what do u havet left.


ragganimo wamaxay caydu i have never drank alcohol in my entire life so whats with the insults.



by the way i did not sell the idea that ur under occupation ur people on wardheernews jidbaale all sanaah scream day in day out snm ba na haysta all i said to u is sl ma didii kartid u cannot reject sl malihid choickaas

[Raganimo]

^There are no Isaaq boots on the ground anywhere in Harti degaans. That should tell you something. The people choose what they want, and some of them have chosen SL. It's that simple.

But the more that people like you try to make it look like you're some type of superpower, the more you will push away the poor souls who were convinced that their best interest was to join you.

You hardliners are a diplomatic disaster for maamulka SL

SL needs harti to have any chance of recognition. Harti does not need SL.