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[Macarons]

Arabs=Islam wether you like it or not. Its based on their culture and mythology. The Kacba was always holly to the Arabs beacuse Ismail and Abraham built it, both Arab ancestor and that's why Arab worship that structure. Its nothing short of ancestral worship. They run from Safa and Marwa because of Hagr the mother of their patriarch Ismail run it in search for water for Ismail.

The Arab God was the moon god Allah and that why you see a crescent on top of every mosque a remnant of the pagan Arab religion. When the Arabs use to perform piligrimge during the Jaahiliya they use to run around the Kacba naked , in Islam you do the same rituals semi naked with two sheets.

I can go on and on. Islam is nothing but an Arab paganism with ancestral worship elements.

1) The Ka'bah is not an object of worship, this is basic Islamic knowledge.

2) Not all Arabs descend from Ismail (pbuh), in fact, most of them do not.

3) You accept or reject a faith or ideology based on its own merits and the soundness of its message/creed, not based on where it originated. All ideologies originated with one group or another. You're a buddhist, for goodness sake! Why don't you worship Waaq if you're so vehemently against accepting any ideology which is foreign in origin? Why do you accept democracy or secularism?

You bow, pastorate , kiss , circumvent and sing around that black stone . and you don't call it worship?? then what's worship.? definition of worship : "
show reverence and adoration for (a deity); honor with religious rites.

and that's what exactly muslims do with the black stone.

The rest of your argument is meaningless and weak.

Keyword is deity. The blackstone is not a deity. Learn English. Also kabah is not holier than a human's life, it can destroyed and rebuilt again.

[PanSomaliNationalist]

I kinda like Sspot but they banned my ass for no reason and here I am in Somalinet!

[Raganimo]

I kinda like Sspot but they banned my ass for no reason and here I am in Somalinet!

They did the same shit to me

[PanSomaliNationalist]

I kinda like Sspot but they banned my ass for no reason and here I am in Somalinet!

They did the same shit to me

Yeah I heard if you actively post you get auto banned

[NoAngst]

How is pre Mohammed(scw ) the arab pagan era? The people alive during the stage between two messages, when one becomes corrupt and the other not revealed is known as fitrah and those who fell into jahilihya before the new message was revealed, well their judgement is different with Allah than those who made kufr( reject/deny) the holy message. The vast majority of ulama consider the prophets parents as muwaahidoon. The rituals are in essence monotheistic as they weren't intitially about worshiping tangible objects. Your small mind can't comprehend the fact of symbolism. Allah is free of time, space, direction etc and other vices of creation therefor you cant face allah in prayer. Before muhammad scw there were many prophets. The rituals have their basis in monotheism, just like many Christian texts have their basis in monotheistic beliefs although they were corrupted over time. & there is no contradiction between the quran and hadith, the contradiction is between your intelllect and your understanding. The actual foundation of he kaba itself was there before Abraham(as) built on it. Even early on in Muhammad's time they weren't facing the kacba but were facing AL Quds in Jerusalem, so your argument of Arab worship is debunked in every way .


Takale the crescent has NOTHING to do with Islam. It was adopted by the ottomans and doesn't have a basis in early Islam, so cut the bullshit about worshipping the moon because this symbolism is not in the foundation of Islam.

I'm fully aware of what Islamic dogma propounds but I have no good reason or evidence to believe it's remotely true.

Nothing was ever corrupted because Islam is syncretic religion combining Jewish, Christian and pagan Arab ideas. To rationalize the blatant aping of Jewish and Christian doctrinal concepts, Muslims invented the red herring of "corruption." And to repudiate pre-Islamic pagan Arab practices Mohammed wanted to change, Muslims again concocted another red herring of Jaahiliya.

What do you mean rituals are monotheistic? The Hajj was pagan/polytheist Arab ritual; polytheism is the antithesis of monotheism. And you are also wrong about the Christianity originating from monotheism. Both Judiasm and Christiniaty originated from existing pagan or polytheistic believes. This is how all religions evolve; there's nothing new under the sun just rehashing of old ideas under new garb.