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My 23andme results and my in depth research of qabiil trends in DNA

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I've been online on 23andme for a while actually. Since I got my first paternal Y-DNA, I am Gadabursi Makaahil (Dir). The full results are as follows.

Paternal Y-DNA: T
Maternal mtDNA: N1a

My autosomal results:
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My paternal y-DNA:
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My maternal mtDNA:
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I've done a lot of research on the forums, harassed many Somalis to state their qabiils to look if there was a pattern amongst qabiil lines, some responded, some didn't. I then went to the other forums, checked out Family Tree DNA, Somali forums, relatives and followed up and wrote down the patterns I've noticed. And this research, was done with sincerity. I, literally tried to find a pattern only with Y-DNA.

I, start:

1. Dir:
*Ciise (Exclusively Haplogroup T)
*Gadabursi (Exclusively Haplogroup T)
*Surre (Exclusively Haplogroup T)
*Gaadsan was particularly strange, met one guy with E-V32 but stated to me that his fellow qabiil members were T.
* Biyomal (Haplogroup T, but only saw very few) - (More research needed on Biyomal but so far they are Haplogroup T)

2. Darood
* Majerteen (Almost exclusively Haplogroup E-V32, although there are rumours floating of some being J)
* Dhulbahante (Exclusively E-V32)
*Warsangeli (Considerable amount of J haplogroup carriers with some being E-V32.) More research needed on the Warsangeli.
*Marehan (Exclusively E-V32)
*Ogaden and Absame generally (Exclusively E-V32)

3.
*Habr Awal (Exclusively E-V32). On the 23andme forums there was 1 guy who said he was T, although most Habr Awal members didn't accept him as one of them.
*Garhajis (Exclusively Haplogroup T especially Habr Yunis).
*Habr Jeclo (Exclusively E-V32 although there are rumours flying around of T carrier here or there).

4. Hawiye
*Habr Gidir (Exclusively E-V32)
*Abgal (Exclusively E-V32)


This is my research so far. But it needs more research. This isn't conclusive yet. But I feel it is almost conclusive. The patterns seem to be like this. Problem is Somalis are not helping on the forums because they don't state their qabil often. Hence you have to send them a private message. Some don't answer at all and some do. Some are ambiguous on the forums etc.
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Thanatophiliac wrote: Wed Jan 25, 2017 11:30 am I've been online on 23andme for a while actually. Since I got my first paternal Y-DNA, I am Gadabursi Makaahil (Dir). The full results are as follows.

Paternal Y-DNA: T
Maternal mtDNA: N1a

My autosomal results:
Image

My paternal y-DNA:
Image

My maternal mtDNA:
Image



I've done a lot of research on the forums, harassed many Somalis to state their qabiils to look if there was a pattern amongst qabiil lines, some responded, some didn't. I then went to the other forums, checked out Family Tree DNA, Somali forums, relatives and followed up and wrote down the patterns I've noticed. And this research, was done with sincerity. I, literally tried to find a pattern only with Y-DNA.

I, start:

1. Dir:
*Ciise (Exclusively Haplogroup T)
*Gadabursi (Exclusively Haplogroup T)
*Surre (Exclusively Haplogroup T)
*Gaadsan was particularly strange, met one guy with E-V32 but stated to me that his fellow qabiil members were T.
* Biyomal (Haplogroup T, but only saw very few) - (More research needed on Biyomal but so far they are Haplogroup T)

2. Darood
* Majerteen (Almost exclusively Haplogroup E-V32, although there are rumours floating of some being J)
* Dhulbahante (Exclusively E-V32)
*Warsangeli (Considerable amount of J haplogroup carriers with some being E-V32.) More research needed on the Warsangeli.
*Marehan (Exclusively E-V32)
*Ogaden and Absame generally (Exclusively E-V32)

3.
*Habr Awal (Exclusively E-V32). On the 23andme forums there was 1 guy who said he was T, although most Habr Awal members didn't accept him as one of them.
*Garhajis (Exclusively Haplogroup T especially Habr Yunis).
*Habr Jeclo (Exclusively E-V32 although there are rumours flying around of T carrier here or there).

4. Hawiye
*Habr Gidir (Exclusively E-V32)
*Abgal (Exclusively E-V32)


This is my research so far. But it needs more research. This isn't conclusive yet. But I feel it is almost conclusive. The patterns seem to be like this. Problem is Somalis are not helping on the forums because they don't state their qabil often. Hence you have to send them a private message. Some don't answer at all and some do. Some are ambiguous on the forums etc.
You got the same Y DNA and MtDNA HGs as me.

Do you have your ancestry timeline?
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Where do I get that? Let me log into my account and see.
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Interesting find you got there. How is it possible that we have the same ancestry results but have different haplogroups mine being E-V32. Where is this difference coming from? I've got gadabuursi in my dna relatives. The timeline ancestry part of the new layout that is only available to residents of North America. It's not available yet for Europe they are working on it so you will have to wait a lil longer.
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Veganista wrote: Wed Jan 25, 2017 1:11 pm Interesting find you got there. How is it possible that we have the same ancestry results but have different haplogroups mine being E-V32. Where is this difference coming from? I've got gadabuursi in my dna relatives. The timeline ancestry part of the new layout that is only available to residents of North America. It's not available yet for Europe they are working on it so you will have to wait a lil longer.
The difference is in the paternal ancestry which is manifested in the Y-DNA i.e your father, his father, his father consecutively in that pattern. It has no bearing on autosomal results. It just means paternally we come from different origins. Whereas, you will often be related to other Somalis (regardless of haplogroup) due to mixing, maternal relations, marriage etc.

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Thanato, I think it might be a North American only feature.
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Something smells fishy.
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Thanatophiliac wrote: Wed Jan 25, 2017 2:01 pm The difference is in the paternal ancestry which is manifested in the Y-DNA i.e your father, his father, his father consecutively in that pattern. It has no bearing on autosomal results. It just means paternally we come from different origins. Whereas, you will often be related to other Somalis (regardless of haplogroup) due to mixing, maternal relations, marriage etc.

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Thanks for your clarification I now understand it better. One thing I learned is that we all are related to each other one way or another regardless of clan background. It's mind blowing.
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zumaale wrote: Wed Jan 25, 2017 4:35 pm Something smells fishy.
If you private message me, I'll give you all my details on 23andme bro. I messaged my details to Jabuutawi already. He can verify :up:
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Thanatophiliac wrote: Wed Jan 25, 2017 5:43 pm
zumaale wrote: Wed Jan 25, 2017 4:35 pm Something smells fishy.
If you private message me, I'll give you all my details on 23andme bro. I messaged my details to Jabuutawi already. He can verify :up:
I will PM you to discuss matters further, tomorrow InshaAllah. :up:
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Thanatophiliac wrote: Wed Jan 25, 2017 11:30 am
*Garhajis (Exclusively Haplogroup T especially Habr Yunis).
Why especially Habar Yoonis? I'm Ciidagale and I'm T and I haven't come across an Ciidagale who wasn't T. Is it because you haven't come across enough Ciidagale samples to make a definitive conclusion, or because you've come across some non-T Ciidagales?
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Majority of Isaaq is E-V32 except Garxajis...

E-V32 is directly correlated with East cushites,It is like what R1a is for indoEuropeans.All other lineages are either conquered folks or guys who just decided to follow us around :lol:

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Jugjugwacwac wrote: Wed Jan 25, 2017 6:33 pm
Thanatophiliac wrote: Wed Jan 25, 2017 11:30 am
*Garhajis (Exclusively Haplogroup T especially Habr Yunis).
Why especially Habar Yoonis? I'm Ciidagale and I'm T and I haven't come across an Ciidagale who wasn't T. Is it because you haven't come across enough Ciidagale samples to make a definitive conclusion, or because you've come across some non-T Ciidagales?
I haven't come across any Ciidagale that was non-T. Sorry for the misunderstanding. I haven't come across many. But those who have were all T. Just like their Habar Yunis brethren.
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Bro,

All anecdotal data I have searched here and elsewhere point toward your conclusions about qabils and haplogroups. From an analytical perspective, we are seeing a pattern or trend develop with respect to Somali haplogroups and kinship.

Example: Surre, Gadabursi, HY (Garhajis) and Ciise are separated by 100s of KMs if not 1,000 of KMs apart. We all claim to be Dir and have same paternal haplogroup. That in of itself can NOT be discounted in statistical analysis; nothing that would indicate data was geographically limited. Multiply this example by scores who tested yielding same results and your conclusion is analytically sound.
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What's J signify?
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