Looks like USA is going to war with Iran

[FAH1223]

S-300 in Iran gonna be enough?

Russia has said the ballistic missile test does not violate the UN Resolution.

[MoAwr]

So what's the play?

[kanadiid90]

[gurey25]

not going to happen.
The treaty was designed to get out of the monumentally stupid mistake the medvedev government and the chinese made when they didnt block
UN sanctions on Iran.
Now that UN sanctions are gone, US sanctions do not matter because the understanding was that the US will never have peace with IRan,
and will continue to bully and scare European companies from investing in iran.

This is all expected, nothing new here.

The US will not do anything to IRan.

If the Saudis dont know how to use their naval assets , they should not be bitching.

[FAH1223]

not going to happen.
The treaty was designed to get out of the monumentally stupid mistake the medvedev government and the chinese made when they didnt block
UN sanctions on Iran.
Now that UN sanctions are gone, US sanctions do not matter because the understanding was that the US will never have peace with IRan,
and will continue to bully and scare European companies from investing in iran.

This is all expected, nothing new here.

The US will not do anything to IRan.

If the Saudis dont know how to use their naval assets , they should not be bitching.

What about Michael Flynn and Steve Bannon? They want to be closer to Russia but they are hawkish to Iran.

You also have Sheldon Adelson who funneled cash to Trump. The far right Israeli political class has enormous influence over him and the US Congress. They're salivating at some kind of conflict.

[Prlnce]

All talk no action...

[Waachis]

As much as i hate iran, their armies strong. And their economies good,.

[James Dahl]

Russia and Iran don't have any sort of military cooperation. Iran is a Chinese ally, not a Russian one.

[James Dahl]

Basically the relations are that Russia and China have cooperation agreements and China and Iran have cooperation agreements, that's how Iran gets access to Russian equipment, via China.

Iran also has friends in Lebanon, Yemen and Iraq where they can get access to American equipment via Iraq and more Russian equipment given to the Syrian government via Hezbollah in Lebanon.

Israel in particular is really starting to freak out at how Hezbollah now has mounds of ATGMs and S-300 missiles.

[FAH1223]

Russia and Iran don't have any sort of military cooperation. Iran is a Chinese ally, not a Russian one.

They do have military cooperation. What are you talking about?

Since the Iran Deal was implemented, they have gotten S-300 and they've been coordinating in Syria. The prospects are growing for enhancing of all of this.

[James Dahl]

Ehh, not really. The S-300 systems were supposed to be delivered ages ago, but Russia cancelled delivery when they agreed with the USA to limit Iran's nuclear ambitions, and didn't deliver then until the sanctions ended. Russia has their own concerns about Iran and aren't unreservedly pro-Iranian like China is.

[gurey25]

What about Michael Flynn and Steve Bannon? They want to be closer to Russia but they are hawkish to Iran.

You also have Sheldon Adelson who funneled cash to Trump. The far right Israeli political class has enormous influence over him and the US Congress. They're salivating at some kind of conflict.

They just need to find a new focal point for a hate campaign and stroke fear, Iran fits the bill, ISIS is pathetic and China is out of the question.
The problem is ability, the US is not able to attack Iran at the moment.
The diplomatic and economic avenues have been closed by the treaty, and the US will never again get UN authority to do anything.
This only leaves an illegitmate solo strike against Iran probably with ISreal.

If they do this crazy action, there will be no limits, no such thing as a limited air campaign.
If you hit iranian sites, you will lose Iraq, afghanistan's government equally depends on IRan as much as the US and they can pull the plug.
You will have daily missile strikes on bahrainian US bases and the temptation to put boots on the ground to "defend allies" will be iressistable.
If you are stupid enough to start a war with iran you are stupid enough to invade and the US doesnt even have half the manpower necessary.

Lets wait and see, but this sounds like bluffing and bluster.

Ehh, not really. The S-300 systems were supposed to be delivered ages ago, but Russia cancelled delivery when they agreed with the USA to limit Iran's nuclear ambitions, and didn't deliver then until the sanctions ended. Russia has their own concerns about Iran and aren't unreservedly pro-Iranian like China is.

Russia is concerned with upholding international law, they need it more than the US and Europe because they dont have the power to solve their problems by pissing on international law and invading any country they want, the same with China.
Iran was never serious about nuclear arms but they were dead serious about issues of sovereignty and keeping its right to maintain scientific research and control over the entire nuclear fuel cycle. IRan are nt stupid and they realize that a few nuclear warheads is not enough deterrence, their whole startegy was keeping the ability to build weapons and using its nuclear program as bargaining chip to get sanctions cleared.

This is why Russia and China supported it, it took a while because of US refusal to negotiate in good faith and the constant moving of goal posts
even though the CIA's official position was that Iran dismantled the nuclear weapons program in 1995.
What made the nuclear deal happen was the EU threatening to leave the sanctions behind the scenes and Obama buckled under pressure
because it was more important to keep leverage over the EU than have sanctions on IRan,

James when it comes to greater startegic policy, Russia and China are more united than you may think.
The chinese prefer russia to be their proxy, so that they can take the flak.

[gurey25]

It is clear that there is a civil war in the US deep state, and a war with Iran would allow victory for trumps suporters over their rivals allowing them to cement their power.
Russia and China are risk averse and want a stable iran to protect their vulnerable underbelly in central asia, but if the US acts irrationally there is allot of gain for them from a geostrategic point of view.
This will accelerate the decline of the US and if IRan is to sacrificed so be it.

[James Dahl]

Russia could have just told the US to fuck off and delivered them anyways, like they've been doing in Syria for years. Russia doesn't really want a strong Iran, they are rivals of theirs for dominance of the Caspian basin.

There's a difference between having common interests (Russia and Iran both want the US out of central Asia and the Levant) and actually being allies, which Iran and Russia are not.

Ultimately Russia only cares about International Law when it suits them, same as everybody else. A lot of "anti imperialists" like to see this grand alliance against American imperialism but it doesn't really exist. Everybody has their own agenda to push.

[gurey25]

Russia could have just told the US to fuck off and delivered them anyways, like they've been doing in Syria for years. Russia doesn't really want a strong Iran, they are rivals of theirs for dominance of the Caspian basin.

This would be true if you believe the picture painted about Russia and Putin in general.
Till 2008 Putin and his ideaoligical allies used to share power equally with the pro-western Atlanticists.
The S-300 freeze was a result of appeasing the west.
By 2013 Nationalists are firmly in power , Crimea cemented that and Putin and his Eurasianists now have the power that western MSM imagined they had.
and dominance of caspian? its in Russias sphere of influence , Iran is in 4rth place after Russia, Turkey, and US , in terms of influence
there is no serious competition.

There's a difference between having common interests (Russia and Iran both want the US out of central Asia and the Levant) and actually being allies, which Iran and Russia are not.

Ofcourse isnt this obvious? Russia will never intervene millitarily to save Iran, they will provide diplomatic support.

Ultimately Russia only cares about International Law when it suits them, same as everybody else. A lot of "anti imperialists" like to see this grand alliance against American imperialism but it doesn't really exist. Everybody has their own agenda to push.

You dont get it do you?
Russia and China and Iran have to simply survive as independent countries to save the rest of us from the empire.
The Empire is pissing away its power every day and soon there will be equilibrium.
Already the appetite for more adventures and "right to protect" bullshit is gone, and it is unaffordable.
There will be no more Iraqs, Afghanistans, or another Libya.
Russia is the weak point in this alliance, if it falls to regime change " color revolution" china falls too and the empire gets another 50+ years of life and we are all fucked, they do not have to activley fight the empire.

As for international law? i assume you are refering to crimea.
Well whats good for the goose is good for the gander.
NATO broke international law in kosovo and ignored all objections so Russia took this as precedent and did the same in Crimea.
As far as Russia is concerned this is now international law, and the west cannot say obey international law while they are allowed to break it.

International law is a useful tool, and is essential for diplomacy,
something the US has difficulty practicing.