Why does this sentence suspiciously sound like something i previously said to you? Eat loser, your arab god is definitely not accepting your fast. It's all in vain as you spend your days on line furiously angry typing nonsense. Let's continue with the karbaash ..you gon' learn today.
Is that so? Well, show us then.
Yaawn. I cant believe i even took the time to address you in the first place, you're an absolute moron. My reply was baseless yet here you furiously trynna debunk over 6000 years old Ancient Egyptian texts which is what my conclusion is based on. There is extensive research on the people of the nile valley and thier culture not necessarily Somalia but since we shared a similar culture my conclusion isnt too far off. Put down that book of arabic witchcraft and do some research on the Nile Valley civilization. That is the cradle of civilization.
After writing an entire paragraph you didn't even ONCE give an authentic,
explicit, definitive explanation that Waaq = Sun God. Yet you claim that your research and your statements is based on 6000 year old Ancient Egyptian texts
With all that treasure trove of knowledge yet you were unable to find a simple definition or correlation. In the previous reply you said: 'Let me give you proof' that Waaq is the Sun God and now you say'My conclusion isn't too far off'. Hahahahahahaha. So all this time you were making up your own conclusions based on the fact Somalia shared a 'similar' culture which is
obviously yet to b determined, simply BECAUSE there hasn't been much research done, which you agree funnily agree with. Yet you determined it's a similar culture Hahahahaha! What an imbecile! Hahahahahaha. My own conclusions. I thought we were dealing with proven facts all this time! Haha! Your a walking contradiction!
You do realize we are discussing allah's origins right? No one is denying the etymology of the word allah and it's pagan origin.
They may share the general meaning of 'deity' but when the muslims adopted allah they assign new attributes to him and made him a male deity and a monotheist arab god. That's what we are discussing here. I'm not arguing the word allah but the god allah. Arab muslims and ancient babylonian were not worshiping the same god, The arabs just stole the name. If you cant explain why Allah a previously pagan god was later adopted by arabs nomads then i suggest you just drop it. From an anthropological perspective it makes sense because ancient deities are revamped and remixed by different cultures all the time. As i told you there is extensive archaeological and literary documents on the origins of allahand his female counterpart allat which was later worshiped as a moon goddess by arabs. My point is your religion is nothing more than amalgamation of different pagan beliefs.
Allat(female version of allah) was popular in mecca and worshiped by the pagan arabs before muhammed destroyed her shrines ...on the command of the new, male arab god Allah of course. We all know how horrible he gets if you dont worship him and him alone.
I've been wondering from the beginning, where are all these elusive evidences that you always talk about that you never want to share? Why don't you share them with all of us? You will need to
definitively, and
explicitly make a PROVEN
CORRELATION between the name Allah in the Qur'an being the same Babylonian Allah moon/god? Did you understand me? Did you? LOL. Make a bloody correlation already. Bring irrefutable evidence that they are the same. Your repeating the same things over and over and over again. I shouldn't have to ask you this again. Names are 'shared resources' in case you've forgotten. Just because two thing share the same name doesn't mean they
are the same. This is if we go directly to the hypothesis. Suppose we agree, shouldn't you then make this correlation? Where is the evidence in the thousands of years of Arabic literature or Semitic literature that even
remotely suggests this? Where is it?
From an anthropological perspective it makes sense
No, 'it makes sense' ISN'T evidence. Try again. Bring something irrefutable. Simple, right?
As i told you there is extensive archaeological and literary documents on the origins of allahand his female counterpart allat which was later worshiped as a moon goddess by arabs.
Why don't you share these with us? Bring all these documents and archaeological evidence that correlate between Allah of the Qur'an and Allah of the Babylonians.
Hahahahaha, Al Lat isn't the female version of Allah, that has already been debunked. It is impossible for Al Lat to be the female vrsion of Allah, linguistically.
The etymology best reflecting the Arab lexicographical tradition derives the name from the verb latta (to mix or knead barley-meal.
"al-Lat". In P. Bearman, Th. Bianquis, C.E. Bosworth, E. van Donzel, W.P. Heinrichs. Encyclopaedia of Islam. 5 (2nd ed.). Brill. p. 692. (1986).
The Arabic word: اللات (Al-Lat) cannot be derived from the word الله (Allah).
I noticed when you're point is destroyed and you no longer have any legs to stand on you cry the source is from a white supremacists. You have zero proof that hastings was a white supremacist even if he was do you think that negates his work? Do you know that academic journals and works are littered with white supremacists going back to the beginning of western civilization? Iaac newton was a shareholder of the south sea company which traded African slaves is his contribution to science null and void now? I keep forgetting you're emotional islamic apologist with no intellectual integrity. Dont try me, i warned you.
I refuted that encyclopedia, did I not quote you how it is a book that is an amalgation of fact and fiction? It's only significance is held by Christian extremists. What the hell were you thinking? Were you suffocated by the holy spirit? Haha. You accept the White supremacist works and the Isaac Newtons/James Hastings' of the World when it suits you, but when their works are not in favour of Hotepism, you disregard it as flawed and racist? Hahahaha! So you accept James Hasting (A Whit Christian Supremacist), in his works on religious history but you refuse to accept his stance on the Curse of Ham? Read some of these books authored by James Hastings:
Dictionary of Christ and the Gospels,
Dictionary of the Apostolic Church,
The Speaker's Bible and
The Great Texts of the Bible.
Go to his commentary on the cursed son of Noah and colourism. Let's not pick and choose what to take from Mudane James Hastings, if you take his opinions on the history of deities, then lets also take his opinion on black people being cursed . Nice. Very nice.
Bring these more elusive evidences that you keep stashed in your mom's basement. Or is everything the Hotep's possess nothing more than a cocktail of the works of the white man? BTW, don't blacks a literary history? Surely for such a great civilisation you would not need to quote the likes of Hastings, right? Your a hypocrite. You call them neanderthals, yet your dependent on their books?!?!? You have lost ALL credibility. Everyone now sees your nothing but a joke.
There are plenty of other books that address allah and allat and it's pagan origins. As you know the babylonians themselves adopted Ancient Egyptian deities. These deities are extensively written about and are but a google search away. Muslim apologists cant deny literature and statues that are still housed at the british museum. For example.
Yet these books remain elusive. I wonder why? Haha. You keep repeating yourself. All I care about is knowing who wrote these books. So far, if we count, you've only bought ONE refernce to the table, James Hastings. And we all know what/who he was as I already mentioned. I'm intrigued to know what other elusive books you have. Perhaps you can show us all?
Solid-cast bronze amuletic figure of Iah wearing a composite lunar atef crown with an ibis-head protruding from the front
When the dust actually clears, ALL you've really shown is a statue named LAH? So what is your point? Is this the elusive evidence you were talking about? I could also bring a statue with my own name from Cambodia, that doesn't make a correlation? WTF is wrong with you? Are you freaking insane? Do you know what you just did? The madness obviously continues...
Moon goddess Nanna later allat by arab pagans. Allat along with her sisters manat and al uzza were mentioned in the quran and refuted by the new arab allah.
I see what you did there haha! Send the reference of the picture! Where is the whole Khashkhamer Moon God = Allah thingy? Haha. Or is this from your 'own conclusions' again? Hahahaha! So you took a picture from Wikipedia, as is evidenced from the URL that says the Moon God, then you injected the word Allah and some vrses from Surah an Najm in there LOL! Desperation is too much! You got caught, don't try and place these games with me fool, you'll be sorry.
So have you considered al-Lat and al-'Uzza?
And Manat, the third - the other one?
Is the male for you and for Him the female? Sura an najm.
One of the first verses revealed to muhammad and it's nothing more than a warning to the pagans. Letting them know that allah will not accept this moon god but he will steal her name.
I already addressed this. Stay focused.
The etymology best reflecting the Arab lexicographical tradition derives the name from the verb latta (to mix or knead barley-meal.
"al-Lat". In P. Bearman, Th. Bianquis, C.E. Bosworth, E. van Donzel, W.P. Heinrichs. Encyclopaedia of Islam. 5 (2nd ed.). Brill. p. 692. (1986).
These statues are in british museum, i know the british were the ultimate white supremacists but still they house some of the most devastating evidence proving the pagan origin of the abrahamic faiths in their museums. You just have to use your mind and be objective. Something blind faithers cant comprehend.
Damn right they were. Yet you cherry pick like your Hotepism. Yet you don't accept that some blacks have more debilitating diseases which are proven FACT by even black scientists themselves. But you refer to them for everything else. Your references in academia are all cherry picked. Which shows why nobody will ever take you seriously. Today, you've actually shown how irrelevant you are. Almost everything you say is hyperbole and it's been proven today. You don't have Hotep reading material so you
depend on whit academia to press your proofs?! Haha! Your a freaking joke!
Moving on. Your religion is an amalgamation of judeo-chritsian teachings sprinkled with paganism.
Islam was founded by Muhammad in the 7th century CE upon the teachings in the Quran, which draws on Judaism, Christianity and native Arab traditions; its distinctive innovation was to retain the universalism of Christianity while replacing its complex concepts of the nature of God─a deity who is simultaneously one and three─with a clear monotheism.
Yet you will cry until you turn blue in the face that islamic ideology is unique because an arab messenger was used as medium to spread the message of god. It's all a lie...not one of these abrahamic religions is the truth. Just break your fast.
All you do is ever spew. Your a spewer. There is much in Islam that has no reference to either Judaism, Christianity or Paganism. What if we document how much there is in Islamic traditions that are unique to it that isn't mentioned in any Biblical Judeo-Christian tradition nor any Pagan tradition in the World? Should I make a whole thread about it? Haha! But then knowing you, you will probably say something like: It was stolen from before because according to my conclusions bla bla black sheep Ha!. Why put on a front when you wont accept proof/evidence anyway. I promise you, that after I'm done with you, you will involuntarily fast. You wont be able to eat anything LOL.
The book mostly addresses religious topics but nice try. You're entire religion is based on myths and folklore dont act above them. No historical evidence proving that noah founded the human race after a flood exists yet your allah tells you it does. No evidence of a flying magical horse, talking trees and rocks, moses and his magical staff. But you have the audacity to talk about folklore and myths? lol. You silly brainwashed tool.
Mostly?
This was the excerpt, you can find it on the synopsis of the book itself, by the editor:
Includes thousands of ancillary topics as well, including folklore, myth, ritual, anthropology, psychology, etc.
These are your references, madam. I'm waiting for the elusive ones you have hidden. LOL!
This discussion isn't about whether or not Qur'an contains myths or not. Religion wouldn't be called religion if it was devoid of
faith. That's another topic. Stay focused. I know how much you would love to deflect right now.
BTW you're logical evidence was from the quran lol.
Yes it was. I used it as an exhibition, which is perfectly fine. I wasn't using it to prove the Existence of God or to convince the truth of Islam. It was a logical interjection as to why would Allah in the Qur'an hate the worship of Himself, since he is the Moon God? An extremely rationale and logical point which you have, so far, failed to answer.
Proof that he refuted this? Do you not understand what the word "antiquarian" means? It doesnt mean refute. It means basically this word Allah has it roots in old texts. The name allah is an old antiquated name but the one you happen to worship is an arab myth. As you would say....fail.
Are you literally trying to take the Professor's words out of context? Nice try. But right back at ya.
This is where you took it from:
Guillaume notes that some scholars have argued that the epithet "the god" was first used as a title of a moon god, but this is purely "antiquarian" in the same sense as the origins of the English word "god". Alfred Guillaume. Islam. Penguin 1990
That is a REFUTATION. Do you speak Af Ingiriis, you xayawaan? He literally refuted the notion of 'some scholars' of Allah being a moon god and said it is PURELY antiquarian in the SAME sense as the origins of the English word, and yes I know exactly what 'antiquarian' means. Stop trying to cover your fail. Nice try. Haha!
Sure. Oh so now that your crazy rantings based on emotion and islamic lies were pulverized, now you want to admit Allah existed pre islam? Welcome to reality. let me repeat what i said to you before:
Show me once where I ever said the name of 'Allah' was never used before Islam. Show me one quote. Until then, stfu.
Ancient Egyptian deity lah which your allah is based on is not "mainly an evangelical western" argument. Besides isnt SOAS an huge london based university, it doesnt get any more western than that lol? I guess whatever they say is null and void using your own argument.
The encycopledia of religion is debunked because an evangelical scholar edited it but lumbard who is a muslim convert who only writes about the virtues of islam and was a former Advisor for Interfaith Affairs to King Abdullah II of Jordan , basically a flaming islamic apologists, is considered scholarly ? Sure. Also he's western and cannot be trusted lol.
An Evangelical Scholar didn't edit it, an evangelical Scottish pastor WROTE it. Hastings is a CHRISTIAN supremacist as I've already proven. Your just an imbecile! What a fool loooooooool. Well, Lumbard quotes extensively on Non Muslim scholars that have debunked the Moon God theory. So if Lumbard is a problem for you, then take it from those he references, MANY whom are ATHEISTS. Yep! No Muslamic plot here, darling. Keep trying, though.
Who cares what allah says in his book lol the words of a made up arab god cannot be used as evidence. Islam is a political ideology spread through shear terror by the sword. The poor pagans of arabia who were worshiping the moon god allah were murdered ruthlessly until they accepted islam, the violent conquest of islam in arabia is highly documented. This ayat was basically a notice to all the pagans that the arab muslim allah is now supreme so submit or die. This is him flexing is celestial and hypothetical muscle nothing more.
Stop changing the subject, madam. I know its tempting because you want to cover up your stupidity and want people to see you as 'smart' but its too late now. BTW, seriously what has this got to do with the topic? Haha! The first signs of loss is when a person diverts away completely. Keep trying to deflect.
You CONTRADICTED yourself. Yet effin again!!!! I thought that the Arab muslim Allah was the same as the moon God Allah that the 'poor' pagans were worshipping? Did you slip up on the keyboard, what happened? Maybe I should give you a chance to clarify yourself LOOOOL!
Try and keep up. The moon god was supplanted by an islamisized version of allah as well as islamic ideology and monotheism.The current arab god you worship is not the moon god, he's just loosely based on him, got it? Islam adopted and retained many of the pagan traditions of the time such as the Babylonian lunar calendar and pagan iconography like the crescent moon. But everything else references an arab god who was revealing an arab muslim blueprint for conquest.
So the moon god isnt Allah, the Muslim God anymore?
When before you kept SAYING that Muslims worship the Moon God? But now after I quoted that verse showing that the Muslim God is worshipped by the sun and moon, you are now saying that the Moon God was actually supplanted by a Muslim Allah?!?!?! These contradictions are your UNDOING. Haha! Did you slip up at the keyboard again or were you drunk when you write this? So is the Muslim Allah, the moon god? Before you said yes, now your saying it's been supplanted Hahaha! This is funny!
but then....
lol. All your evidence is from the quran or from islam apologists.
This is what I said:
I never used the Qur'an to provide evidence of Allah's Existence, why would I?
Did I quote the verse to prove Allah's Existence? Read it again, you illiterate monkey. Haha! I used it to interject on why does the Moon God Allah hate the moon being worshipped? A question you failed in and contradicted yourself in. 'The moon god' was supplanted kulahaa
First, they dont. Second because he is a jealous god and the biggest sin in islam is attributing partners to him. As i previously said these ayat were notices to the pagans who worshiped nature based deities. Allah wasnt gonna have it. The quran is a book of arab witchcraft and you are under a heavy spell.
You didn't answer this properly! Fail! You haven't clarified why the Moon god hates the Moon? I didn't want to break it down like this to you. I assumed you would have understood Haha! Feel free to answer with the Moon god was supplanted by the Muslim God which means he isn't the moon god anymore? RIght? Haha. This is TOO ridiculous. Hoteps are unbelievable walahi!
Except we are arguing the historically documented origins of allah. I never said Muslims worship the moon, no one here did. What i am saying is that he is loosesly based on an ancient babylonian moon deity( See sura an najm) or according to others a war deity. Which makes sense considering the overwhelming evidence of violent islamic conquest. Keep trying tho.
You said Muslims worship the Moon God, did you not say that? Are you changing your story? Now he is loosely based on an ancient babylonian deity, yet you failed to prove the correlation of the two before? Where are those mentioned in Surah an Najm? You mean, AL Lat? I've clarified that already. What about al 'Uzza, is that babylonian too? Last time I checked it was a pagan Arab idol, same goes for Manat. The only difference where religious scholars ad somewhat of a dispute into it's origins was Al Lat and I've already separated fact from fiction in that regard and I gave the reference. I'll gladly move on.
There you have it? Lol. You think the pagans worshiped the monotheist allah? If that's the case why were their pagan shrines dedicated to their gods destroyed? Im done.
So you are trying to prove that Pagan arabs worshiped the muslim Allah(even tho muhammad destroyed shrines dedicated to the pagan god allat in mecca, why would he destroy those statues ) and the evidence is the word of the muslim allah? Pathetic. You're proof inadmissible, you tried. Lol. Keep trying. Your belief is based on blind faith so there is no way in hell you can argue from a place of logic, i get it.
Indeed because historically, there was no temple of Allah. Like all the other gods. Just like the pagan Arab man once said (maybe you should read pre-Islamic Arabic poetry, it might help you in understanding the meanings of Allah). The pagan Arab said in a poem: 'I worship tons on the earth, but one Allah in the Heavens.' You can find this in a book called by Al Mu'allaqaat, all pagan poems, you can find it in Oxford University and Cambridge, too. Scholars deduce from this, including Alfred Guillaume, that the word has no origin except to mean 'god' or 'deity'.
It's a shame that a man of faith is producing more evidence than you, right. What a shame. I was actually waiting for some interesting stuff. Not Myths of Mesopotamia. LOL!
No need to pretend. Linguistic and etymology has nothing to do with what we are discussing. The origins of Allah the god not allah the word.
Allah the word is more significant, than Allah the god. Because I said plenty of times before names are a shared resource. There are millions of John's in the world, but ONLY one John the Baptist. You are yet to make a convincing case as to HOW Allah in the Qur'an = Allah the so called babylonian moon god. Keep failing. You are a failure.
As for you're futile attempt to associate skin cancer with blacks lol. As a Somali your people lived under the hottest sun with no shield from it but a flimsy cloth while they moved around and tended to livestock all day. After centuries, dwelling in this harsh climate why aren't we dying of skin cancer? Be grateful for your melanin. And pass on your racist white south Afrikaner research lol..yea those guys dont have an ulterior motive. I told you when it comes to melanin and skin cancer it is a dirty little secret that whites have been trying to divert and deflect for a long. Sadly, numbers dont lie.
Why are you specifying Somalis? You handicapped imbecile. Weren't we discussing African Americans/Black Africans as a WHOLE? If you ACTUALLY read those journals I sent you, you could have educated your dumb ass and found out that there is a LINK between Melanoma and Diet, too. It's not ALL the sun. But you choose to remain stupid. Which is your prerogative. The research paper I sent you wasn't even 'Afrikaaner'. It just goes to show you how much of an imbecile you are. Even if it
were, your cherry picking again. You dont like it when it insults black, but when it insults religion, its fine. Well, that's the story so far. Your a joke. Do you want me to quote you statements from the CDC, Centre for Disease Control and Prevention? Or is that a tool for white supremacism? LMAO.
The rest of your ramblings are useless and im not even addressing them. It's clear you're not a rational thinking person but one argues for the sake of arguing but i still gave you the benefit of the doubt and proceeded to engage you. You didnt disappoint with your utter contempt for the truth and reason.
You are a self loathing ugly refugee with no knowledge of even the most basic historical content. You tried and failed to prove your pagan god wasnt a pagan and the only evidence you provided was that arabic book of witchcraft you call a holy book.
You cant even prove the existence of your god but you will defend him like crazy because...childhood programming. It's difficult to argue with muslims because all they know how to do is appeal to ignorance and logical fallacies. You're religion is based on judeo-christian beliefs which are basically myths and ancient egyptian allegories used as literal historical happenings. The world is changing and you fascist are fighting a loosing battle.Reason will prevail.
^^ This is you when you want to cover up your flaws, mistakes and inaccuracies. Don't worry I know how to decipher between your innacuracies and your cover ups. I've been trying you for a while yet I'm STILL waiting for factual based information written and abetted by credible scholars. If you have any of those 6000 ancient manuscripts, please show us and decipher it for those among us who are too stupid to understand Hotepian.
Yes, reason WILL prevail.
Was this your karbaash? Seriously. Was it?
