Turkey to build aircraft carrier

[TheGrumpyGeeljire]

urkey's President Recep Tayipp Erdogan said the country was aiming to become militarily self-sufficient and said it would not be long before the country built its own aircraft carrier.

Erdogan made the comments during a speech at a naval ceremony to launch the locally manufactured Kinaliada Corvette in Tuzla near Istanbul.

The corvette was locally manufactured under Turkey's MILGEM project. MILGEM is an abbreaviation in Turkish for "national ship."

“We will build our own aircraft carriers,” he said.

Erdogan added Turkey will not tolerate attempts to block its military initiatives.

"As a country that aims to become independent in the field of defence by 2023, we must move even faster,” he said.

“We are proud of our ability to build military ships, especially construction of submarines,” he said, adding that Turkey was among the 10 countries in the world capable of designing and manufacturing naval vessels.

Erdogan said 14 projects for the construction of naval vessels were in the pipeline, while 10 more projects will be signed in the coming years.

He said the Turkish government attached great importance to the navy's ability to deal with any potential threats that might develop in the region.

Referring to arms manufacturing, he said: “In 2016, Turkey achieved $5 billion in production and $1.6 billion in exports, which is important but well below our targets,” he said.

A bad idea, if you ask me. The future is in hypersonic anti-ship missiles. They should invest in that, instead of wasting money on a floating duck, Turkey does not have the same capabilities as America, which allows the Yanks to protect their aircraft carriers, even though that wouldn't help much in the event of a war with Russia or China, heck even Iran.

[DaacasBiyo]

A bad idea, if you ask me. The future is in hypersonic anti-ship missiles. They should invest in that, instead of wasting money on a floating duck, Turkey does not have the same capabilities as America, which allows the Yanks to protect their aircraft carriers, even though that wouldn't help much in the event of a war with Russia or China, heck even Iran.

I disagree, the future is headed toward cyberwars so Turkey should have invested in coder writers and hackers, Russia has right now some of the top hackers in the world not necessarily the top virus writers but hackers, and since they got a big ROI for their hacking of the US elections it was a good investment they made on those programmers. All these electronic weaponry can be rendered useless by a virus that can either tell them to self destruct or attack you like the Stuxnet virus did to the Iranian nuclear plant.

[gurey25]

I disagree, the future is headed toward cyberwars so Turkey should have invested in coder writers and hackers, Russia has right now some of the top hackers in the world not necessarily the top virus writers but hackers, and since they got a big ROI for their hacking of the US elections it was a good investment they made on those programmers. All these electronic weaponry can be rendered useless by a virus that can either tell them to self destruct or attack you like the Stuxnet virus did to the Iranian nuclear plant.

This takes far longer to do because you need a full generation to train your hackers, you need the culture as well.
If you try to put them under organizations like NSA you will fail bigtime because rogue hackers on their own and in independent groups are much more capable than NSA, GHCQ or AMAN . The Chinese directorate 14 of the ministry of information does the smart thing and farms out their cyberwarfare to independent hacker groups that are nationalists.

bureaucracy gets in the way, the NSA is not as scary as you think it is a dinosaur when it comes to cyber warfare and it is always behind the curve, dont let hollywood fool you.

A bad idea, if you ask me. The future is in hypersonic anti-ship missiles. They should invest in that, instead of wasting money on a floating duck, Turkey does not have the same capabilities as America, which allows the Yanks to protect their aircraft carriers, even though that wouldn't help much in the event of a war with Russia or China, heck even Iran.

incredibly dumb carriers are only useful for bullying developing countries and are useless against peers.
Hypersonic missiles are the future and the US is behind in this field, suprisingly tiny Taiwan has some of the best stuff better than the US or any EU country with only Russia in its league,

This is what you get when you give an unlimitted budget to you engineers and tell them to go nuts,
sometimes you get gold.

[TheNewElectedWarLord]

urkey's President Recep Tayipp Erdogan said the country was aiming to become militarily self-sufficient and said it would not be long before the country built its own aircraft carrier.

Erdogan made the comments during a speech at a naval ceremony to launch the locally manufactured Kinaliada Corvette in Tuzla near Istanbul.

The corvette was locally manufactured under Turkey's MILGEM project. MILGEM is an abbreaviation in Turkish for "national ship."

“We will build our own aircraft carriers,” he said.

Erdogan added Turkey will not tolerate attempts to block its military initiatives.

"As a country that aims to become independent in the field of defence by 2023, we must move even faster,” he said.

“We are proud of our ability to build military ships, especially construction of submarines,” he said, adding that Turkey was among the 10 countries in the world capable of designing and manufacturing naval vessels.

Erdogan said 14 projects for the construction of naval vessels were in the pipeline, while 10 more projects will be signed in the coming years.

He said the Turkish government attached great importance to the navy's ability to deal with any potential threats that might develop in the region.

Referring to arms manufacturing, he said: “In 2016, Turkey achieved $5 billion in production and $1.6 billion in exports, which is important but well below our targets,” he said.

A bad idea, if you ask me. The future is in hypersonic anti-ship missiles. They should invest in that, instead of wasting money on a floating duck, Turkey does not have the same capabilities as America, which allows the Yanks to protect their aircraft carriers, even though that wouldn't help much in the event of a war with Russia or China, heck even Iran.

They already have anti-ship missiles (atmaca) that will be in service by 2020.

They're deadly asf, they have many projects going on right now like 5th generation fighter, new Tank and so on.

[AwRastaale]

Most likely they will modify a Russian or American one like the Chinese.

Really no need for carriers. You can fly drones from the comfort of your base and shoot down enemy jets or just bomb their positions.

Dumb idea.

[DaacasBiyo]

I disagree, the future is headed toward cyberwars so Turkey should have invested in coder writers and hackers, Russia has right now some of the top hackers in the world not necessarily the top virus writers but hackers, and since they got a big ROI for their hacking of the US elections it was a good investment they made on those programmers. All these electronic weaponry can be rendered useless by a virus that can either tell them to self destruct or attack you like the Stuxnet virus did to the Iranian nuclear plant.

This takes far longer to do because you need a full generation to train your hackers, you need the culture as well.
If you try to put them under organizations like NSA you will fail bigtime because rogue hackers on their own and in independent groups are much more capable than NSA, GHCQ or AMAN . The Chinese directorate 14 of the ministry of information does the smart thing and farms out their cyberwarfare to independent hacker groups that are nationalists.

bureaucracy gets in the way, the NSA is not as scary as you think it is a dinosaur when it comes to cyber warfare and it is always behind the curve, dont let hollywood fool you.

A bad idea, if you ask me. The future is in hypersonic anti-ship missiles. They should invest in that, instead of wasting money on a floating duck, Turkey does not have the same capabilities as America, which allows the Yanks to protect their aircraft carriers, even though that wouldn't help much in the event of a war with Russia or China, heck even Iran.

incredibly dumb carriers are only useful for bullying developing countries and are useless against peers.
Hypersonic missiles are the future and the US is behind in this field, suprisingly tiny Taiwan has some of the best stuff better than the US or any EU country with only Russia in its league,

This is what you get when you give an unlimitted budget to you engineers and tell them to go nuts,
sometimes you get gold.

To train hackers, you don't need to start from the kindergarten, you can start with computer science students and train them, universities already do it for white hat hacking. The problem with Turkey is that it wants to project power and stature that's all, it's not about future warfare because if it was it wouldn't build that thing knowing that the US even with its armada could not win in Iraq/Afghanistan. I think you are underestimating the NSA because of the Snowden and other leaks but what you have to keep in mind is these people where working for subcontractors because the espionage industry in the US is so big. The reason the NSA is scary is not only what Snowden revealed about its operations but also the fact that it's the leader of the "five eye" gang, in fact GHCQ is much more lethal than the NSA and it's the one that does most of the hacking while the NSA has the deep pockets and both of them recruit aggressively independent black hat hackers. Even though the Chinese and the Russians are still good at it they're not really on par with the US and that's why the Chinese signed an agreement with them regarding hacking and that the Russians did not go further with the hacking of the polling stations because they were told digital bombs in their networks were ready to be activated. The problem with Chinese and Russians is that they're not really innovative at the software development level and many of the software they use are built by the West and it's the same with their internet infrastructure hardware and all those Western companies of course cooperate with the US intelligentsia so no wonder digital bombs are easy to implant, however, the Chinese are a step by step rebuilding their infrastructures with their Made in China initiative and by 2025 they will probably phase out all foreign components, they recently did just that with a supercomputer.

[xiimaaya]

Worst mistake ever. Turkey is deviating away from what made them successful.

They use to keep low profile until they developed a semi high tech military defense industry.

Now Europeans are suspicious nd will not collaborate with them like the f16 ,f35 American manufacturing.

[TheGrumpyGeeljire]

I disagree, the future is headed toward cyberwars so Turkey should have invested in coder writers and hackers, Russia has right now some of the top hackers in the world not necessarily the top virus writers but hackers, and since they got a big ROI for their hacking of the US elections it was a good investment they made on those programmers. All these electronic weaponry can be rendered useless by a virus that can either tell them to self destruct or attack you like the Stuxnet virus did to the Iranian nuclear plant.

This takes far longer to do because you need a full generation to train your hackers, you need the culture as well.
If you try to put them under organizations like NSA you will fail bigtime because rogue hackers on their own and in independent groups are much more capable than NSA, GHCQ or AMAN . The Chinese directorate 14 of the ministry of information does the smart thing and farms out their cyberwarfare to independent hacker groups that are nationalists.

bureaucracy gets in the way, the NSA is not as scary as you think it is a dinosaur when it comes to cyber warfare and it is always behind the curve, dont let hollywood fool you.

A bad idea, if you ask me. The future is in hypersonic anti-ship missiles. They should invest in that, instead of wasting money on a floating duck, Turkey does not have the same capabilities as America, which allows the Yanks to protect their aircraft carriers, even though that wouldn't help much in the event of a war with Russia or China, heck even Iran.

incredibly dumb carriers are only useful for bullying developing countries and are useless against peers.
Hypersonic missiles are the future and the US is behind in this field, suprisingly tiny Taiwan has some of the best stuff better than the US or any EU country with only Russia in its league,

This is what you get when you give an unlimitted budget to you engineers and tell them to go nuts,
sometimes you get gold.

True, the Turks must focus on Missile technology and in addition to this, invest even more money into their current projects such as the 'Altay' mbt where they are having engine problem. The Germans will sell the the engines but this means they'll be dependent on the West, there is really no point investing in an aircraft carrier when you can't achieve 100% self sufficiency in other projects.

Let's take Iran for example, in the beginning of the Iran-Iraq war they didn't even have the capabilities to repair and maintain their own artillery pieces and were struggling to produce enough ammunition for them. Now, they have a fully fledged self-sufficient arms industry and are a few steps away from producing nuclear weapons.

[Adali]

Worst mistake ever. Turkey is deviating away from what made them successful.

They use to keep low profile until they developed a semi high tech military defense industry.

Now Europeans are suspicious nd will not collaborate with them like the f16 ,f35 American manufacturing.

forget the europeans do you know nato are pissed off at turkey right now for deploying troops in Qatar ? the EU sort of lost their leverage over turkey, now turkey is looking elsewhere to partner, if you follow EU politics the tables have turned on the EU.

[xiimaaya]

Worst mistake ever. Turkey is deviating away from what made them successful.

They use to keep low profile until they developed a semi high tech military defense industry.

Now Europeans are suspicious nd will not collaborate with them like the f16 ,f35 American manufacturing.

forget the europeans do you know nato are pissed off at turkey right now for deploying troops in Qatar ? the EU sort of lost their leverage over turkey, now turkey is looking elsewhere to partner, if you follow EU politics the tables have turned on the EU.

The Russia and China are actually the good guys and Eu and America wants the 90s back. Putin himself said " in the 90s we wanted acceptance to be part of Eu and NATO
But America didn't want Russia to be part of the of West fold because it would mean they would give some small control to Russia".


Turkey economy benfited it's cooperation with Eu and was pushing hard to be part of Europe but was rejected because the west wanted to remain Christian. To appease a NATO all they increased economic ties with Turkey..

Turkey in the past 8 yrs was feeling over confident specially during economic down turn because that little effect on them.

I think turkey should have kept low profile for another 10yrs to soak more knowledge from West .

Turkey needs Russia or China for defense.

[gurey25]

To train hackers, you don't need to start from the kindergarten, you can start with computer science students and train them, universities already do it for white hat hacking. The problem with Turkey is that it wants to project power and stature that's all, it's not about future warfare because if it was it wouldn't build that thing knowing that the US even with its armada could not win in Iraq/Afghanistan. I think you are underestimating the NSA because of the Snowden and other leaks but what you have to keep in mind is these people where working for subcontractors because the espionage industry in the US is so big. The reason the NSA is scary is not only what Snowden revealed about its operations but also the fact that it's the leader of the "five eye" gang, in fact GHCQ is much more lethal than the NSA and it's the one that does most of the hacking while the NSA has the deep pockets and both of them recruit aggressively independent black hat hackers. Even though the Chinese and the Russians are still good at it they're not really on par with the US and that's why the Chinese signed an agreement with them regarding hacking and that the Russians did not go further with the hacking of the polling stations because they were told digital bombs in their networks were ready to be activated. The problem with Chinese and Russians is that they're not really innovative at the software development level and many of the software they use are built by the West and it's the same with their internet infrastructure hardware and all those Western companies of course cooperate with the US intelligentsia so no wonder digital bombs are easy to implant, however, the Chinese are a step by step rebuilding their infrastructures with their Made in China initiative and by 2025 they will probably phase out all foreign components, they recently did just that with a supercomputer.

The point i was making is that when it comes to cyberwarfare weare back to the high middle ages Italy where mercenaries are better trained and capable than your regular forces and every city state fights with both its own forces and "condittori" mercenaries.
This is the reason why all sides today depend more and more on their own black hat mercenaries.

The issue is not so much as software alone, its also hardware, too much of the stuff even commercial products made in taiwan and Japan and South Korea have NSA backdoors. Wasnt it leaked recently that every single harddrive manufactured between 1998 and 2012 has a backdoor.

Stuxnet showed that you cannot have even unrelated ,and unconnected parts of your network from foriegn components and software, you need 100% locally produced components to stop infiltration.

[gurey25]

I think turkey should have kept low profile for another 10yrs to soak more knowledge from West .

Turkey needs Russia or China for defense.

Russia and China do not trust Turkey, it would not get the S-400 system it asked for.
Turkey is a key member of the F-35 project and is in a position to get access to key technologies that they can use on their own fighter project.
F-35 boondongle is a frankenstine monster and will wiegh down the capabilities of any nation stupid enough to depend on it.
The Turks, South Koreans and Japanese are only in it to steal certain technologies and have their own parallel developments .
All they had to do was cough up some money, and promise to buy a certain amount of aircraft, i wouldnt be surprised if they all cut and run.


Isreal is stuck and i had great pleasure to learn that the Miilitary industrial complex which is the only higher power in the US than the Isreal lobby , basically told the Isreali to take this amount of F-35's and they cannot modify it.
Since they will get the tax payer to pay for it, they have no say and have to shut the fuck up and take it.

[xiimaaya]

I think turkey should have kept low profile for another 10yrs to soak more knowledge from West .

Turkey needs Russia or China for defense.

Russia and China do not trust Turkey, it would not get the S-400 system it asked for.
Turkey is a key member of the F-35 project and is in a position to get access to key technologies that they can use on their own fighter project.
F-35 boondongle is a frankenstine monster and will wiegh down the capabilities of any nation stupid enough to depend on it.
The Turks, South Koreans and Japanese are only in it to steal certain technologies and have their own parallel developments .
All they had to do was cough up some money, and promise to buy a certain amount of aircraft, i wouldnt be surprised if they all cut and run.


Isreal is stuck and i had great pleasure to learn that the Miilitary industrial complex which is the only higher power in the US than the Isreal lobby , basically told the Isreali to take this amount of F-35's and they cannot modify it.
Since they will get the tax payer to pay for it, they have no say and have to shut the fuck up and take it.

Wrong there is already a workshop plant in place for modifications.

Isreal always gets it's way.

[xiimaaya]

I think turkey should have kept low profile for another 10yrs to soak more knowledge from West .

Turkey needs Russia or China for defense.

Russia and China do not trust Turkey, it would not get the S-400 system it asked for.
Turkey is a key member of the F-35 project and is in a position to get access to key technologies that they can use on their own fighter project.
F-35 boondongle is a frankenstine monster and will wiegh down the capabilities of any nation stupid enough to depend on it.
The Turks, South Koreans and Japanese are only in it to steal certain technologies and have their own parallel developments .
All they had to do was cough up some money, and promise to buy a certain amount of aircraft, i wouldnt be surprised if they all cut and run.


Isreal is stuck and i had great pleasure to learn that the Miilitary industrial complex which is the only higher power in the US than the Isreal lobby , basically told the Isreali to take this amount of F-35's and they cannot modify it.
Since they will get the tax payer to pay for it, they have no say and have to shut the fuck up and take it.

Wrong there is already a isreali modified version check youtube

Isreal always gets it's way.

[gurey25]

Wrong there is already a isreali modified version check youtube

Isreal always gets it's way.

After a huge battle they got the right to use isreali avionics , but they wanted allot more but Lockeed Martin disagreed.