Salafis...how does it feel to be Saudi pawns?

[UlteriorMotive]

Sufis Betraying Islam as they have always sided with those who are hurting defenseless Muslims

https://www.rt.com/op-edge/egypt-muslim ... hamas-488/

‘[Sufi] Sisi regime in Egypt paves the way for another Israeli invasion of Gaza’ – Hamas spokesman

Sufi leaders like El-Sisi suffocating defenseless Muslims in Gaza, Palestine. Throughout history, Sufis have always sided Islam's enemies, and this is one of it. How can anyone with any decency and belief in Allah today suffocates the beleaguered Muslims in Gaza?

But it was Saudis who supported Sisi's overthrow. They stopped funding Egypt as soon as Morsi took over..brought the country to i's knees economically and then turned the tap back on as soon as Sisi took over.

Show of support for Sisi as Saudi king ends landmark Egypt visit
http://www.france24.com/en/20160411-sau ... gypt-visit

Saudi Arabia and UAE Ready Massive $20bn Aid Package to Boost Egypt's Shattered Economy
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/saudi-arabia-u ... my-1450818



In fact the Salafis in Egypt don't like the Muslim Brotherhood

Egypt's Salafists Are Hoping to Capitalize on Morsi's Failure


The Salafist al-Nour Party illustrated its guarded, line-straddling position in the conflict between the Muslim Brotherhood and Egypt’s liberal opposition forces.
While the Nour Party expressed support for the controversial constitution and recognition of the legitimacy of the embattled president, it inconspicuously rallied behind efforts to destabilize the current regime. It called on protesters to adopt peaceful measures to change the balance of power, criticized the partisanship of the president and rejected attempts to portray Egypt’s political stalemate as an Islamist-secular struggle.

http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/origina ... z49OyhQQJs


I know Salafis that celebrated Sisi's crackdown on the MB and the deaths of all the protesters. Some called for torture against MB members.

[gegiroor]

listen gegiroor as i said before you are indeed deluded. if i was sufi walhi i would say but im not. i gave 100 well known imams of the 11th century and you didnt like it's okay here's one of imams of yemen called الامام الشوكاني and if you dont know him plz go learn. this is the poem he directed to mohamed bin abdulwahab

These so-called 'imams' are the one referred to by Sufis, so quit dancing around the topic. How do we know they were not benefiting from people going to the graves? I posted a simple question to you and you failed to answer it. Sheikh Mohamed Bin Abdul-Wahhab (May Allah be pleased with him) has done a terrific work by challenging those who were committing bid'a (heresy) and attributing it to the faith. He was a learned Islamic scholar, no question about it. He wrote Kitab At-Tauhid, and no Islamic scholar who read it to day has issues with it.

I've given you a video where a learned Islamic scholar, Sheikh Yusuf Estes, has given his views and verdict.

Now, how does running with some so-called '100 imams' negate his work? Man, you're out of ammunition. If you want to take on the work that an Islamic scholar has done, at least be educate about on the topic. Just running with some concocted hysteria where some 'sheikhs' stated something is not a defense. Where is their work? We see the work of Sheikh Mohamed Abdul-Wahhab, where is the work of the 'sheikhs' that you're referring to? You don't have it, so you're referring to a poem!


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and about the word wahabyah lol brother its clear you dont speak arabic or know anything about it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyG8L9oBL1c

GO N LEARN ARABIC!!!!!!!!!!![/quote]

I will insha'Allah, but since when speaking Arabic has been synonym with knowing Islam? Take a brotherly advice from me; when you're taking on the topic, especially a religious one, at least be a someone who knows something about it. It is obvious you don't know anything about this topic that you delved into, so next time at least try to have some background. And I will repeat to you again; a Muslim wouldn't throw around one of the names of Allah as you and others did. Again don't take from me, listen to Sheikh Yusuf Estes, one of the learned Islamic scholars in our time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOamGxZOys0

[gegiroor]

Sufis Betraying Islam as they have always sided with those who are hurting defenseless Muslims

https://www.rt.com/op-edge/egypt-muslim ... hamas-488/

‘[Sufi] Sisi regime in Egypt paves the way for another Israeli invasion of Gaza’ – Hamas spokesman

Sufi leaders like El-Sisi suffocating defenseless Muslims in Gaza, Palestine. Throughout history, Sufis have always sided Islam's enemies, and this is one of it. How can anyone with any decency and belief in Allah today suffocates the beleaguered Muslims in Gaza?

But it was Saudis who supported Sisi's overthrow. They stopped funding Egypt as soon as Morsi took over..brought the country to i's knees economically and then turned the tap back on as soon as Sisi took over.

Show of support for Sisi as Saudi king ends landmark Egypt visit
http://www.france24.com/en/20160411-sau ... gypt-visit

Saudi Arabia and UAE Ready Massive $20bn Aid Package to Boost Egypt's Shattered Economy
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/saudi-arabia-u ... my-1450818



In fact the Salafis in Egypt don't like the Muslim Brotherhood

Egypt's Salafists Are Hoping to Capitalize on Morsi's Failure


The Salafist al-Nour Party illustrated its guarded, line-straddling position in the conflict between the Muslim Brotherhood and Egypt’s liberal opposition forces.
While the Nour Party expressed support for the controversial constitution and recognition of the legitimacy of the embattled president, it inconspicuously rallied behind efforts to destabilize the current regime. It called on protesters to adopt peaceful measures to change the balance of power, criticized the partisanship of the president and rejected attempts to portray Egypt’s political stalemate as an Islamist-secular struggle.

http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/origina ... z49OyhQQJs


I know Salafis that celebrated Sisi's crackdown on the MB and the deaths of all the protesters. Some called for torture against MB members.

Since when the treacherous Saudi government represented Salafi Muslims? Like I said before the real opposition to the treacherous House of Saud are Salafi Muslims. Just look at the number of people who make up the majority of the people who get killed in Saudi Arabia. They are labelled as being members of certain groups and get killed.

Morsi was overthrown because he refused to go along with the suffocation of the beleaguered Palestinians in Gaza. Well, Morsi represents Muslim Brotherhood and the madhab of Salaf, and El-Sisi represents Sufis.

Now, the question is what do you know about Muslim Brotherhood? Just look at the madhab they follow and come back to me. And if one party in Egypt was opposed to Morsi, it doesn't they're a mainstream.

I am losing my brain to talk to people who have no knowledge about the topics that they're dealing with.

I said before and will say again grave-worshiping has no part in Islam, and grave-worshipers have no legs to stand-on in criticizing learned Islamic scholars like Sheikh Muhammad Bin Abdul Wahab (May Allah be pleased with him).

[UlteriorMotive]

Btw @gegiroor just because one is not a Salafi does not mean he is automatically a Sufi or an atheist lol.

The modern Salafi movements are well-known for attacking the mainstream Muslims for following the established Madhabs aka ahlu sunnah. They say you should not follow the Scholars but only the Quran and Sunnah (Hadiths) of the Prophet (SAW). Which tacitly implies the previous Scholars did not do that.

Very arrogant.

But then Ibn Abdulwahhab was quite arrogant himself. He rejected eight hundred years of authentic scholarship as being upon misguidance and innovation by claiming that that he is [second to Ibn Taymiyah] the only reviver Allah has sent in eight hundred years.

[EEGA9]

Ibn Taymiyah was refuted unanimously majority of scholars until he was placed in jail for spreading fitna, he died in jail.
Ibn Abduwahab revived Ibn Taymiyahs teachings, he was refuted by his own father who was his teacher as well as his other caalim teachers and his brother who wrote a book against his teachings.

Look at the Wahabi rise in the Arabian peninsula its pretty much ISIS like with the massacre of people across Arabia and in the holy cities. Oil has transported Wahabism globally to the detriment of Muslims.

[gegiroor]

^^The verdict is in for the people who are obsessed with one of the names of Allah and tossed it around. These same people are also obsessed with one of the renowned Islamic scholars Sheikh Muhammad Bin Abdul-Wahab (May Allah be pleased with him).

Well, there are known two particular groups of people who fall in those categories: Kufars and grave-worshipers.

A Muslim would never throw around one of the names of Allah like some people do.

I'm just saying it.

[GalliumerianSlayer]

Real Salafiss are anti House of Saud. They are mercilessly killed in that kingdom, or thrown into prisons. As a matter fact, the only opposition in the Arabian peninsula against the treacherous House of Saud are the Salafists.

Compare that to the Sufis who have historically been and still are the pawns for the kufars who wage war against Muslims. Sufis will never mount opposition to kufars, never have been, and never will.

Besides, it is well-known that people who are obsessed with Salafi Muslims are atheists, who like to use them as scapegoats in their effort to attack Islam.

Looking at the obsession of the OP with Salafi Muslims, it is obvious who he is.

You slanderous lier. The European colonialists fought against the sufis the most and they were the biggest resistance. Omar mukthar for example.
Somalis another example.

[GalliumerianSlayer]

Salafism has brought us the Islamic dark ages. These people claim to be followers of Ibn taymiyyah, yet they do not possess one percent of his knowledge.


Gegiroor is a Qabilist salafi fanatic to begin with.

[paperino]

You slanderous lier. The European colonialists fought against the sufis the most and they were the biggest resistance. Omar mukthar for example.
Somalis another example.

During the colonial era, Europeans didn't know much about Islam. To them, every Islamic movement was Sufi. They thought the Sayid (AUN) was Sufi. If the Sayid, Omar Mukhtar and other freedom fighters of that era were alive today, they would be grouped alongside ISIS, al-Qaeda, al-Shabaab, Wahhabi, Salafi, Qutbi, Khawarij, etc. That tells you those groupings were employed recently, no more than a few decades. I did a customized (1960-1970) Google search of some terms and the results were:

Salafi = 9
Wahhabi = 7
Khawarij = 2

0 result for the period 1950-1960. 2 page results for khawarij/wahhabi, 8 page results for salafi for the period 1970-1980. The Europeans' understanding of Islam has modestly improved, although they still employ similar propaganda like this one about the Sayid:


http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-fr ... CF&mcubz=3

[DaacasBiyo]

You slanderous lier. The European colonialists fought against the sufis the most and they were the biggest resistance. Omar mukthar for example.
Somalis another example.

During the colonial era, Europeans didn't know much about Islam. To them, every Islamic movement was Sufi. They thought the Sayid (AUN) was Sufi. If the Sayid, Omar Mukhtar and other freedom fighters of that era were alive today, they would be grouped alongside ISIS, al-Qaeda, al-Shabaab, Wahhabi, Salafi, Qutbi, Khawarij, etc. That tells you those groupings were employed recently, no more than a few decades. I did a customized (1960-1970) Google search of some terms and the results were:

Salafi = 9
Wahhabi = 7
Khawarij = 2

0 result for the period 1950-1960. 2 page results for khawarij/wahhabi, 8 page results for salafi for the period 1970-1980. The Europeans' understanding of Islam has modestly improved, although they still employ similar propaganda like this one about the Sayid:


http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-fr ... CF&mcubz=3

LOL, So this is what this muzzie clown believes in and spends his time online searching for, fake stories from 1903. This is so pathetic.

[GalliumerianSlayer]

You slanderous lier. The European colonialists fought against the sufis the most and they were the biggest resistance. Omar mukthar for example.
Somalis another example.

During the colonial era, Europeans didn't know much about Islam. To them, every Islamic movement was Sufi. They thought the Sayid (AUN) was Sufi. If the Sayid, Omar Mukhtar and other freedom fighters of that era were alive today, they would be grouped alongside ISIS, al-Qaeda, al-Shabaab, Wahhabi, Salafi, Qutbi, Khawarij, etc. That tells you those groupings were employed recently, no more than a few decades. I did a customized (1960-1970) Google search of some terms and the results were:

Salafi = 9
Wahhabi = 7
Khawarij = 2

0 result for the period 1950-1960. 2 page results for khawarij/wahhabi, 8 page results for salafi for the period 1970-1980. The Europeans' understanding of Islam has modestly improved, although they still employ similar propaganda like this one about the Sayid:


http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-fr ... CF&mcubz=3

You do know that the Sayyidka was a takfiri Saxiliyyah follower? he waged an ideological war on the southern qadiriyyah tariqa and even killed one of the leaders, Shiekh Uways al barawe (aun) who was martyed. Sayyidka denied taking part in the killing but allah s.w.t knows best.


Omar Mukthar aun did not kill and make takfir on fellow muslims.

[paperino]

You do know that the Sayyidka was a takfiri Saxiliyyah follower? he waged an ideological war on the southern qadiriyyah tariqa and even killed one of the leaders, Shiekh Uways al barawe (aun) who was martyed. Sayyidka denied taking part in the killing but allah s.w.t knows best.


Omar Mukthar aun did not kill and make takfir on fellow muslims.

Are you saying Sayyidka (aun) wasn't different from al-Shabaab?

[GalliumerianSlayer]

You do know that the Sayyidka was a takfiri Saxiliyyah follower? he waged an ideological war on the southern qadiriyyah tariqa and even killed one of the leaders, Shiekh Uways al barawe (aun) who was martyed. Sayyidka denied taking part in the killing but allah s.w.t knows best.


Omar Mukthar aun did not kill and make takfir on fellow muslims.

Are you saying Sayyidka (aun) wasn't different from al-Shabaab?

How many dhulos did the sAYYIDKA massacred? how many livestocks did he ransack? the mad mullah also made takfir on the maay speakers, especially on the raxanweyne. What is different from him and al shabab ?they both terrorised their people, stole from them and make massive takfir on them, no different to Ibn abd Wahhab.

Filth has brought the ummah to the islamic dark ages. Look at Iraq, afghanistan, pakistan, libya, syria, Yemen, etc.. all you see are savage takfiri fanatics killing their own civilians.

[paperino]

How many dhulos did the sAYYIDKA massacred? how many livestocks did he ransack? the mad mullah also made takfir on the maay speakers, especially on the raxanweyne. What is different from him and al shabab ?they both terrorised their people, stole from them and make massive takfir on them, no different to Ibn abd Wahhab.

Filth has brought the ummah to the islamic dark ages. Look at Iraq, afghanistan, pakistan, libya, syria, Yemen, etc.. all you see are savage takfiri fanatics killing their own civilians.

Can you cite his poems that made takfir on maay speakers and others?

[gurey25]

Guys its not sufis versus salafi/wahabis
Its Ahlu sunna wa al jamacaa versus those who are not of sunna wa al jamaaca

this confusion and useless talk about sufis that matter little to the debate in the first place
greatly aids the Salafists...

Historically the people who follow the Sunna and make up the consensus of the majority of scholars and believers , followed the 3 aqeeda, and the 4 madhabs

Salafists/wahabis move far away from the theology of the 3 schools
and some extreme salafis reject the validity of the 4 madhabs.
They see its taqliid, but they want you to mindlessly follow ibn baz, albani etc

This is why i very much doubt they can be classified as Sunni in the first place..