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It is easier to unit Somalis than to keep them apart

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If today the Government of Somalia asked me, what would you do to unite Somalis of Somali Republic, my answer would be two things have to be done more than anything and those two things despite their challenges will lay the foundations of unbreakable unity for hundreds of years to come.

EDUCATION AND JOBS, ACADEMIA, INTELLECTUALS

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A) We set up an academy, facility, a hub, a platform in Mogadishu that targets the youths of the North.
- It addresses their education needs including issuing scholarships, enrolling them in both local and international universities
- Creating them jobs in the south both in private (sponsorship companies) and public
- Accomodations and transportations
- Platform for them to hold annual discussions, space to communicate any disgruntle, disadvantage, unfair treatment or resentment they may have.

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These youths will become what change views in the north because they will eventually become the elite, middle class and future leaders as long as government-funded institutions they attending not only surpass anything in the north but achieve global recognition.

At least $200m is needed to invest into universities and technical institutions. The likes of Turkey, Qatar, Kuwait and even the UAE should be approached to provide funding, technical experts and even teachers so as to once again lift Somali higher institutions ranking in the region and in Africa at large.

Equally welcoming students from the neighboring countries as so to export Somali education should be a long term vision. Universities should be equiped to help bright students to launch their own ideas and businesses by not only enabling but co-funding.

If these are achieved, no northern kid will stay away.

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B) This one probably needs huge capital but I am sure China would be happy to help.
- There needs to be call for the construction of railway system in Somali Republic. The idea should be that we need a train that runs from Kismayo to Borama but if it can go from Mogadishu to Galkayo, that's a major step and the other phases can be added over the decades to come.

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When we address the infrastructure challenges, we will see Somalis that move easier and freely. That movement, mingling and 'seeing beyond their village' will solidify the grounds for unbreakable unity.

Today China is building railways all over Africa and I am sure they can see the need, vision and why even for themselves a railway in Somalia will be handy.

These are two things I would pursue if I wanted true unity.

Education, livelihood and infrastructure connectivity are the seeds to unity and stronger community.

It is my dream for Somalis to have a railway system---The Somaal. I call on the likes of Mr Aynte, The Heritage Institute, to draft paper on why Somali Republic needs the Somaal and the nomads are rallied behind what could be the biggest legacy for the Somali kids to inherit.



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AwRastaale wrote: Sat Nov 25, 2017 6:20 pm If today the Government of Somalia asked me, what would you do to unite Somalis of Somali Republic, my answer would be two things have to be done more than anything and those two things despite their challenges will lay the foundations of unbreakable unity for hundreds of years to come.

EDUCATION AND JOBS, ACADEMIA, INTELLECTUALS

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A) We set up an academy, facility, a hub, a platform in Mogadishu that targets the youths of the North.
- It addresses their education needs including issuing scholarships, enrolling them in both local and international universities
- Creating them jobs in the south both in private (sponsorship companies) and public
- Accomodations and transportations
- Platform for them to hold annual discussions, space to communicate any disgruntle, disadvantage, unfair treatment or resentment they may have.

Image

These youths will become what change views in the north because they will eventually become the elite, middle class and future leaders as long as government-funded institutions they attending not only surpass anything in the north but achieve global recognition.

At least $200m is needed to invest into universities and technical institutions. The likes of Turkey, Qatar, Kuwait and even the UAE should be approached to provide funding, technical experts and even teachers so as to once again lift Somali higher institutions ranking in the region and in Africa at large.

Equally welcoming students from the neighboring countries as so to export Somali education should be a long term vision. Universities should be equiped to help bright students to launch their own ideas and businesses by not only enabling but co-funding.

If these are achieved, no northern kid will stay away.

INFRASTRUCTURE

B) This one probably needs huge capital but I am sure China would be happy to help.
- There needs to be call for the construction of railway system in Somali Republic. The idea should be that we need a train that runs from Kismayo to Borama but if it can go from Mogadishu to Galkayo, that's a major step and the other phases can be added over the decades to come.

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When we address the infrastructure challenges, we will see Somalis that move easier and freely. That movement, mingling and 'seeing beyond their village' will solidify the grounds for unbreakable unity.

Today China is building railways all over Africa and I am sure they can see the need, vision and why even for themselves a railway in Somalia will be handy.

These are two things I would pursue if I wanted true unity.

Education, livelihood and infrastructure connectivity are the seeds to unity and stronger community.

It is my dream for Somalis to have a railway system---The Somaal. I call on the likes of Mr Aynte, The Heritage Institute, to draft paper on why Somali Republic needs the Somaal and the nomads are rallied behind what could be the biggest legacy for the Somali kids to inherit.



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Hey dirty waqooyi xabashi lover,

Why don't you want ictiraaf for your maamul ? What can SL offer AMISOMIA (ex southerm somalia) ? What can we benefit from you ?
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Ictiraaf is never going to happen because it's not an interest for the region, international community including the UAE who is about to open a base there and definitely not for the Somalis including majority of reer waqooyi.

SL is the temporary solution to the unrest and has served its purpose but it will not travel beyond that.

As a state of its own, I never seen it and I don't see it today.

I am always anti-ictiraaf.

SL as a pretend country will only last as long as the house in the south is in chaos. The day the south stands on its own two feet and things begin to work, the youth will be first to travel south leaving the elders to the north like the city of Harar.

And with that the wall of ictiraaf-doon will undo itself.

The only thing left is to arrest returning youth but they will overwhelm prisons.
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Ustad Hawdian is a great strategist despite his controversial views i always liked his opinions on the horn and the Nile basin countries

Regarding this topic i believe that all will come up with a model that accommodates the two sides i dont tend to take the extreme side of things

Currently there is a genocide and huge insecurity in Xamar who knows things may get worse like it was under yeey


On the other hand you got less gready politicians and culture of stability in the North so what Xamar needs is a local politicians on this level to consider such scenarios

A stable xamar belong to its locals bc the current Govt is led by gready politicians who signed bringing more 5000 ugandan troops that will operate in the name of Uganda not even the AU and has invited the ethiopians to come as far as carbiska/lafoole bc its a weak isolated Govt and all this will increase the instability.
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The very first thing that needs to be addressed is security. Infrastructure projects and education will naturally follow. Ideally, security should be outsourced to a country like Russia. But they are under economical sanctions for annexing Crimea from Ukraine. Russian involvement in Syria turned the tide toward stabilization. Unfortunately it also spelled severe budgetary constrains for Russia. Wars are not cheap. Their reserves decreased from $600 billions to $100 billions. Dropping oil prices and the sanctions have Russian hands tied up. Their economy is heavily dependent on petro dollars. United States of late is not into nation-building projects after failures in Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya. Which leaves us with Europe and China. Europeans are having identity crisis. Are they individual nation states or simply EU members? Their foreign policies, I mean real meat and potato foreign involvement, are things of the past. Europeans are only good as yes-boys in the U.S. foreign operations China does not have tradition of active foreign nation-building involvement or expansionism, apart from infrastructure projects. Their two biggest steps so far are the building of artificial islands in South China Sea and opening of the military base in Djibouti.

It leaves us with the second-tier countries like Turkey, Iran, Egypt,etc. Really the only capable country in this group is Turkey. The good thing it is rapidly rising and getting closer to the first group. Militarily and economically Turkey is on the level. It is also currently present in Somalia.

A reputable external player should bring in an army division or at least a brigade of several thousand uniformed soldiers. It should secure borders and disarm all armed groups while building up Somali army and police. By building up I mean not just training and equipping, but also budgetary support, It should directly pay salaries of soldiers and policemen so that they can support their families while Somalia economically recovers. This would expedite unification greatly.

For example, Turkish troops are present in Northern Syria. Turkey completely changed life in the town of Jarablus. Turks provide security, pay salaries of police, run schools. The population of Jarablus tripled under Turkish rule. People escape there because of security and the rule of law.
CNN: Syrians rebuild and rehabilitate under Turkey's watchful eye

In Qatar, Turkey has opened a permanent military base and plan to have army units, Air Force, Navy stationed there. Right now it's mostly Special Ops providing security to the Qatari establishment.

If Turkey could just start with Mogadishu first and expand from there. Unfortunately, Farmajo doesn't strike me as a strong leader who could bring Turkey to the table.

My two cents even if it is just wishful thinking. You never know,
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sahal80 wrote: Sat Nov 25, 2017 11:22 pm Ustad Hawdian is a great strategist despite his controversial views i always liked his opinions on the horn and the Nile basin countries

Regarding this topic i believe that all will come up with a model that accommodates the two sides i dont tend to take the extreme side of things

Currently there is a genocide and huge insecurity in Xamar who knows things may get worse like it was under yeey


On the other hand you got less gready politicians and culture of stability in the North so what Xamar needs is a local politicians on this level to consider such scenarios

A stable xamar belong to its locals bc the current Govt is led by gready politicians who signed bringing more 5000 ugandan troops that will operate in the name of Uganda not even the AU and has invited the ethiopians to come as far as carbiska/lafoole bc its a weak isolated Govt and all this will increase the instability.



Genocide in Mogadishu!!!!! You are being melodramatic here, remember the army and police in south are from one tribe hawyie and majority of killers in last 6 months were hawyie. Al kebab are 5000 thugs you can defeated them in one week.
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sahal80 wrote: Sat Nov 25, 2017 11:22 pm Ustad Hawdian is a great strategist despite his controversial views i always liked his opinions on the horn and the Nile basin countries

Regarding this topic i believe that all will come up with a model that accommodates the two sides i dont tend to take the extreme side of things

Currently there is a genocide and huge insecurity in Xamar who knows things may get worse like it was under yeey


On the other hand you got less gready politicians and culture of stability in the North so what Xamar needs is a local politicians on this level to consider such scenarios

A stable xamar belong to its locals bc the current Govt is led by gready politicians who signed bringing more 5000 ugandan troops that will operate in the name of Uganda not even the AU and has invited the ethiopians to come as far as carbiska/lafoole bc its a weak isolated Govt and all this will increase the instability.
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The northern politicians are no less corrupt than their southern counterparts but what makes things look less corrupt is that there is no much bounty to loot in the north.

If today UAE dropped mere $5m in the middle all habro would be on each other’s throats.

In the south there’s billions from IC and that’s tempting.
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Canuck2 wrote: Sun Nov 26, 2017 12:06 am
sahal80 wrote: Sat Nov 25, 2017 11:22 pm Ustad Hawdian is a great strategist despite his controversial views i always liked his opinions on the horn and the Nile basin countries

Regarding this topic i believe that all will come up with a model that accommodates the two sides i dont tend to take the extreme side of things

Currently there is a genocide and huge insecurity in Xamar who knows things may get worse like it was under yeey


On the other hand you got less gready politicians and culture of stability in the North so what Xamar needs is a local politicians on this level to consider such scenarios

A stable xamar belong to its locals bc the current Govt is led by gready politicians who signed bringing more 5000 ugandan troops that will operate in the name of Uganda not even the AU and has invited the ethiopians to come as far as carbiska/lafoole bc its a weak isolated Govt and all this will increase the instability.



Genocide in Mogadishu!!!!! You are being melodramatic here, remember the army and police in south are from one tribe hawyie and majority of killers in last 6 months were hawyie. Al kebab are 5000 thugs you can defeated them in one week.
Genocide= indiscriminate killing. I did not mention clans and army i was referring to al shabab. No you cannot defeat them except by restoring the power vocuum in there.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_murder

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sahal80 wrote: Sat Nov 25, 2017 11:22 pm Ustad Hawdian is a great strategist despite his controversial views i always liked his opinions on the horn and the Nile basin countries

Regarding this topic i believe that all will come up with a model that accommodates the two sides i dont tend to take the extreme side of things

Currently there is a genocide and huge insecurity in Xamar who knows things may get worse like it was under yeey


On the other hand you got less gready politicians and culture of stability in the North so what Xamar needs is a local politicians on this level to consider such scenarios

A stable xamar belong to its locals bc the current Govt is led by gready politicians who signed bringing more 5000 ugandan troops that will operate in the name of Uganda not even the AU and has invited the ethiopians to come as far as carbiska/lafoole bc its a weak isolated Govt and all this will increase the instability.
Sahal

The northern politicians are no less corrupt than their southern counterparts but what makes things look less corrupt is that there is no much bounty to loot in the north.

If today UAE dropped mere $5m in the middle all habro would be on each other’s throats.

In the south there’s billions from IC and that’s tempting.
i understand that SL is not independent yet the thing that unites them is to become a different country like the south sudanese who started fighting eachother after the independence bc of the wealth and the oil but there is no political vocuum or leadership failure and tradition of concession continued with Cirro


In Xamar, it started as two rival subclans and then ended up as jufo wars rven abdi qasim stayed in a hotel bc of HG not bc of others. Caydiid was killed by another sacad faction and al shabaab was born out of this situation and political vocuum.
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You live in fantasy
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We reject the idea of Somali state post Qalbidhagax! We are currently exploring the idea of establishing an Absame dominated Waamo Republic with its natural border being the Jubba river. Anything on the eastern side of the river will be left to Somalia, even if we have communities on the eastern side, we will evacuate them to the western side and push out any none Absame community, be they Jareer, Raxanweyn, Harti or Mareexaan. Eventually as Kenya implodes we will annex our occupied territories. We will have a viable and a prosperous state between the two rivers. River Tana and river Jubba. From Goobweyn to Garrissa!
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sahal80 wrote: Sun Nov 26, 2017 3:21 am
Canuck2 wrote: Sun Nov 26, 2017 12:06 am
sahal80 wrote: Sat Nov 25, 2017 11:22 pm Ustad Hawdian is a great strategist despite his controversial views i always liked his opinions on the horn and the Nile basin countries

Regarding this topic i believe that all will come up with a model that accommodates the two sides i dont tend to take the extreme side of things

Currently there is a genocide and huge insecurity in Xamar who knows things may get worse like it was under yeey


On the other hand you got less gready politicians and culture of stability in the North so what Xamar needs is a local politicians on this level to consider such scenarios

A stable xamar belong to its locals bc the current Govt is led by gready politicians who signed bringing more 5000 ugandan troops that will operate in the name of Uganda not even the AU and has invited the ethiopians to come as far as carbiska/lafoole bc its a weak isolated Govt and all this will increase the instability.



Genocide in Mogadishu!!!!! You are being melodramatic here, remember the army and police in south are from one tribe hawyie and majority of killers in last 6 months were hawyie. Al kebab are 5000 thugs you can defeated them in one week.
Genocide= indiscriminate killing. I did not mention clans and army i was referring to al shabab. No you cannot defeat them except by restoring the power vocuum in there.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_murder

AwRastaale wrote:
sahal80 wrote: Sat Nov 25, 2017 11:22 pm Ustad Hawdian is a great strategist despite his controversial views i always liked his opinions on the horn and the Nile basin countries

Regarding this topic i believe that all will come up with a model that accommodates the two sides i dont tend to take the extreme side of things

Currently there is a genocide and huge insecurity in Xamar who knows things may get worse like it was under yeey


On the other hand you got less gready politicians and culture of stability in the North so what Xamar needs is a local politicians on this level to consider such scenarios

A stable xamar belong to its locals bc the current Govt is led by gready politicians who signed bringing more 5000 ugandan troops that will operate in the name of Uganda not even the AU and has invited the ethiopians to come as far as carbiska/lafoole bc its a weak isolated Govt and all this will increase the instability.
Sahal

The northern politicians are no less corrupt than their southern counterparts but what makes things look less corrupt is that there is no much bounty to loot in the north.

If today UAE dropped mere $5m in the middle all habro would be on each other’s throats.

In the south there’s billions from IC and that’s tempting.
i understand that SL is not independent yet the thing that unites them is to become a different country like the south sudanese who started fighting eachother after the independence bc of the wealth and the oil but there is no political vocuum or leadership failure and tradition of concession continued with Cirro


In Xamar, it started as two rival subclans and then ended up as jufo wars rven abdi qasim stayed in a hotel bc of HG not bc of others. Caydiid was killed by another sacad faction and al shabaab was born out of this situation and political vocuum.

Sahal plz tell me who is doing this incriminating killing (the driver in the truck/the tribes of al kebab meenbers) which region/State does al kebab control, the answer is (Shebelle hoose). Al kebab hides among hawyie/RX/ Bantu tribes. Stop paying them tax money, civilians must leave th villages controlled by them. You must attack them and eliminate them, pretend that you are civil war era and that they are other Somali tribe.
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i like the idea, can i steal it? I will give u credit ofc
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