Farmaajo regains momentum after Puntland/Central tour

[original dervish]

The iidoor seemed to have crawled back into their khaat dens....thank goodness.
They must have started at least a dozen threads imploring Hawiye to trash their capital.

[Adali]

For them its everyday qabyalad, but for hutus they might actually destroy mogadishu again and final hope for Somalia.

[Ben Dover]

OD, no one asked Hawiye to trash their capital.

Why are you making it seem as if there would be resistance?

It would just be a matter of sending the boon marehan cheesemonger back to his shithole Gedo. Not a single bullet need fired. He is a guest in Xamar, protected by Hawiye. You know this, he knows this, everyone knows this

When are you liberating Tukaraq btw? Since your men do not seem capable of freeing their land, qurjiile women must fight on their behalf

[original dervish]

Benny.....who are you trying to kid?
Your iidoor kinsmen were busting a nut to see conflict in Mog,
They got so desperate they even feigned concern for the Hawiya masses.

[Talo alle udaa]

There have been various valid points raised by Pro-Somaliland users including the fact Farmaajo was not elected but selected, that insecurity generally is worse in the south than the north. If we look at what's happening today, the government of Somalia is establishing it's authority, there are signs of genuine progress, political maturity with almost all political conflicts now being resolved by Somalis themselves locally. There is consistent progress in terms of training the military, there is general international recognition of the current governments, etc.

I truly believe a stable Somalia does not pose an existential threat to Somaliland. A stable Somalia where it's people live in security, children go to schools, and standard of living improves will be positive for the entire region. That the government of Somaliland considers Somalia an enemy to the point it seeks security assurance from Ethiopia, former arch rival, reflects terribly on the Somali government and it's people. This forum a lone reflects the fact a significant large segment of the population in the North feels safer with Ethiopia than Somalia.

[Xildiiid]

1960 to 1969 was a blessed time, it included a Hawiye president, why are you complaining about that era.

It wasn’t a blessed time.

Corruption was sky high, weak state institutions, clanism, diplomatic blunders etc.

While I agree there was a hellava lot of corruption which got so bad that even the president was assassinated at the end of 1960s, I would say democracy was still better than dictator ship of Kacaan, am I right ?

For us it wasn’t..

Our ignorant elders chose to unite with animals because of fake Zoomalinimo.

Luckily the Act of Union wasnt cemented by both parties (only Somaliland) and today we’re working to regain our long lost sovereignty.

If it wasn’t for those ignorant elders we would’ve been an industrialized nation by now.

[Xildiiid]

There have been various valid points raised by Pro-Somaliland users including the fact Farmaajo was not elected but selected, that insecurity generally is worse in the south than the north. If we look at what's happening today, the government of Somalia is establishing it's authority, there are signs of genuine progress, political maturity with almost all political conflicts now being resolved by Somalis themselves locally. There is consistent progress in terms of training the military, there is general international recognition of the current governments, etc.

I truly believe a stable Somalia does not pose an existential threat to Somaliland. A stable Somalia where it's people live in security, children go to schools, and standard of living improves will be positive for the entire region. That the government of Somaliland considers Somalia an enemy to the point it seeks security assurance from Ethiopia, former arch rival, reflects terribly on the Somali government and it's people. This forum a lone reflects the fact a significant large segment of the population in the North feels safer with Ethiopia than Somalia.

Why are you ignoring the elephant in the room?

Zoomalia doesn’t have judicial claims to SL territory yet Zoomalia and people from Zoomalia are claiming Somaliland.

The objective of the failed and illegal union between Somaliland and Zoomalia was Somali irredentism. Zoomalia killed that dream by signing away K5 and NFD.

Now.. if the main objective of the union is nonexistent, why are people still talking about unity? Maxaa Somaliland iyo Zoomalia isugu hadhay?

We sacrificed the first Somali country to gain independence in order to liberate Zoomalis like your kind and in return we got nothing but death and destruction. We lost 57 years because our ignorant elders made a terrible mistake.

Dagaal baanu ka xignaa Zoomalia. Let’s see if Xaarmaajo can do anything or his future successors and their AMISOM boyfriends.

The truth is,

Zoomalia has become a sewage managed by Dofaar Ismaciil rats and ignorant Hawiye that can’t think for themselves, at the expense of minority clans that together form the overwhelming majority.

You put on fake Zoomalinimo when it suits you but you support the Ethiopian slave Madoobe and his adventures in the Jubba valley. An Ethiopian mole under Kenya protection with the objective of securing that region for his clan at the expense of the indigenous communities.

Cagdheer forcefully occupy Kismaayo despite the fact that they didn’t establish the town nor have any connection to it. The original inhabitants that created the town and named it (Kismaayo = Bajuni term) have joined AS in their thousands because they know fake Zoomalinimo is an existential threat. A lesson we learned in 1961.

[AyubD]

I truly believe a stable Somalia does not pose an existential threat to Somaliland. A stable Somalia where it's people live in security, children go to schools, and standard of living improves will be positive for the entire region. That the government of Somaliland considers Somalia an enemy to the point it seeks security assurance from Ethiopia, former arch rival, reflects terribly on the Somali government and it's people. This forum a lone reflects the fact a significant large segment of the population in the North feels safer with Ethiopia than Somalia.

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That's why there should be genuine dialogue between Somalia and Somaliland. Somalia needs to realize that any attempt to force its power on Somaliland will result in the opposite effect. Somaliland needs assurances that its rights and its security concerns are explicitly addressed by Somalia. After that both sides can start working on further confidence building measures and real cooperation.

Each time we skirmish with each other we are losing valuable time and opportunities to move forward and prosper. It is called Opportunity Cost in economics. I can envision one day the president of the whole Somalia being elected from the north and he or she will be working on infrastructure projects in the south and vice versa.

I mean of what benefit is the hatred for us? For both of sides there are zero benefits, but for some external parties there are things to be gained from the stand-off among Somalis.

Bixi and Farmajo need to have a hotline and talk and consult each other on a daily basis.

The good example is the relationship between Turkey and Russia. As we know after Turks shot down the Russian bomber plane in Syria, there was open animosity between Erdogan and Putin. After one full year of mutual accusations and econimic sanctions, they decided to reconcile. Turkey appologized for the incident. Slowly Putin and Erdogan rebuilt their cooperation. Now they talk to each other very often and coordinate their efforts.

Literally the solution to many problems and frictions in our relations are one phone call away.


Come on Farmajo and Biixi make a move and be open-minded! Somalis can only benefit from it.

Please please try it at least once for Somali people's sake!!!

[Xildiiid]

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Lol @ assurance by Zoomalia..

This is the delusion I’m talking about..

Zoomalia is a failed state that barely exists, on top of that this failed state has a paper government that claims a country they have no business claiming. f-king animals

[Canuck2]

I truly believe a stable Somalia does not pose an existential threat to Somaliland. A stable Somalia where it's people live in security, children go to schools, and standard of living improves will be positive for the entire region. That the government of Somaliland considers Somalia an enemy to the point it seeks security assurance from Ethiopia, former arch rival, reflects terribly on the Somali government and it's people. This forum a lone reflects the fact a significant large segment of the population in the North feels safer with Ethiopia than Somalia.

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That's why there should be genuine dialogue between Somalia and Somaliland. Somalia needs to realize that any attempt to force its power on Somaliland will result in the opposite effect. Somaliland needs assurances that its rights and its security concerns are explicitly addressed by Somalia. After that both sides can start working on further confidence building measures and real cooperation.

Each time we skirmish with each other we are losing valuable time and opportunities to move forward and prosper. It is called Opportunity Cost in economics. I can envision one day the president of the whole Somalia being elected from the north and he or she will be working on infrastructure projects in the south and vice versa.

I mean of what benefit is the hatred for us? For both of sides there are zero benefits, but for some external parties there are things to be gained from the stand-off among Somalis.

Bixi and Farmajo need to have a hotline and talk and consult each other on a daily basis.

The good example is the relationship between Turkey and Russia. As we know after Turks shot down the Russian bomber plane in Syria, there was open animosity between Erdogan and Putin. After one full year of mutual accusations and econimic sanctions, they decided to reconcile. Turkey appologized for the incident. Slowly Putin and Erdogan rebuilt their cooperation. Now they talk to each other very often and coordinate their efforts.

Literally the solution to many problems and frictions in our relations are one phone call away.


Come on Farmajo and Biixi make a move and be open-minded! Somalis can only benefit from it.

Please please try it at least once for Somali people's sake!!!

Before you jump to any conclusions, you need to know the background of biixi & SL, SL was formed by SNM which was formed in Ethiopia and got their weapons and financed by them. They came to Somalia in 91 with Ethiopian tanks. Biixi can’t call farmaajo unless Ethiopia approves. Ethiopia has general in hargeisa just to supervise SL.
All we can hope is enough pressure from international community on SL to force them to sit with Mogadishu in negotiations.

[Xildiiid]

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Somaliland was the first Somali country to gain independence on June 26, 1960.

The blueprint for the SNM was created in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia and the organization was declared in London, UK.

Mengistu fell in 1991, it’s impossible for his troops to accompany the SNM when they were engaged in battle with the EPLF and TPLF. On top of that Afweyne signed a peace treaty with Mengistu in 1988 that expelled SNM from Ethiopia, in exchange Afweyne signed off the Somali region of Ethiopia.

Ethiopia doesn’t have any influence when it comes to SL politics, domestic or foreign. Ethiopia opposed the military base in Berbera because UAE is an ally of Egypt but that didn’t stop us from cementing the deal.

Xaarmaajo is an Ethiopian slave that extradited his fellow Daroogo Ismaciil to Ethiopia.

Not a single Isaaq SL president has extradited any Somali to Ethiopia. Only Riyaale did.

The current president Muuse Biixi is a former air force colonel and 1977/78 war hero.

Now, what else are you lying about filthy Dofaar Ismaciil rat?

[Canuck2]

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Somaliland was the first Somali country to gain independence on June 26, 1960.

The blueprint for the SNM was created in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia and the organization was declared in London, UK.

Mengistu fell in 1991, it’s impossible for his troops to accompany the SNM when they were engaged in battle with the EPLF and TPLF. On top of that Afweyne signed a peace treaty with Mengistu in 1988 that expelled SNM from Ethiopia, in exchange Afweyne signed off the Somali region of Ethiopia.

Ethiopia doesn’t have any influence when it comes to SL politics, domestic or foreign. Ethiopia opposed the military base in Berbera because UAE is an ally of Egypt but that didn’t stop us from cementing the deal.

Xaarmaajo is an Ethiopian slave that extradited his fellow Daroogo Ismaciil to Ethiopia.

Not a single Isaaq SL president has extradited any Somali to Ethiopia. Only Riyaale did.

The current president Muuse Biixi is a former air force colonel and 1977/78 war hero.

Now, what else are you lying about filthy Dofaar Ismaciil rat?

Signing piece of paper doesn’t mean anything in world of intelligence. SNM invaded Somalia from Ethiopia.
Second, SL gave away 19% of berbera port for free to Ethiopia, caldoon lost his job and went to prison first time because of Ethiopia. Horn TV journalist was kidnapped from hargeisa to Ogaden by Ethiopia and he is in prison till today. In Awdal state Ethiopia collects tax from people or arrest them.

[AyubD]

Before you jump to any conclusions, you need to know the background of biixi & SL, SL was formed by SNM which was formed in Ethiopia and got their weapons and financed by them. They came to Somalia in 91 with Ethiopian tanks. Biixi can’t call farmaajo unless Ethiopia approves. Ethiopia has general in hargeisa just to supervise SL.
All we can hope is enough pressure from international community on SL to force them to sit with Mogadishu in negotiations.

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I knew Biixi was an Ethiopian puppet, but did not realize it was system deep. That brings the question of him being democratically elected.

Were the presidential elections truly democratic as Somaliland claims?

I don't know how international community can pressure Biixi when Sl is not internationally recognized. Maybe through Addis Ababa?

[AyubD]

Ethiopia doesn’t have any influence when it comes to SL politics, domestic or foreign. Ethiopia opposed the military base in Berbera because UAE is an ally of Egypt but that didn’t stop us from cementing the deal.

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You sound like you are in denial of reality. People are not blind and can see what is what.

[Canuck2]

Before you jump to any conclusions, you need to know the background of biixi & SL, SL was formed by SNM which was formed in Ethiopia and got their weapons and financed by them. They came to Somalia in 91 with Ethiopian tanks. Biixi can’t call farmaajo unless Ethiopia approves. Ethiopia has general in hargeisa just to supervise SL.
All we can hope is enough pressure from international community on SL to force them to sit with Mogadishu in negotiations.

.
I knew Biixi was an Ethiopian puppet, but did not realize it was system deep. That brings the question of him being democratically elected.

Were the presidential elections truly democratic as Somaliland claims?

I don't know how international community can pressure Biixi when Sl is not internationally recognized. Maybe through Addis Ababa?

Small kids and Oromo illegal immigrants voted for him plus HA and HJ only. HY and rest of issaq voted for Cirro Wadani. In SSC they boycotted the election and tiny number in Lasanod may have vote for wadani.
But look at children who are voting for biixi