Axmed Guray - What do you know about him?

[Ben Dover]

Well its fascinating he got non-Somali name, not here to argue over the spelling of name since my clans involvement and role in Adal does not rely on the spelling of name haha. But since you are obsessed with his name, do you not think it makes sense since Adal reached as far north as Tigray and even Eritrea today. I am not saying it is his nickname, but the nicknames of his father and grandfather. I told you already that Ahmed Gurey was not the first Imam to reach Tigray and fight Habesha, Imam Mahfuz before him did it, and we seem to forget about his important role in Adal.

Xiraabu and his brothers were both important players in Adal history, I am interested in their name, but the subject of discussion is not his name, we know its foreign no need to giggle over that, I have cousins and nephews who have foreign names and are wadaado, our subject is Amiir Nuur, Ahmed Gurey and Abadir, these according to Marehan oral history are Marehan, our claims are not based on articles where we argue over spelling of names, our claim is based on history passed down through generations. Can you dispel this oral history as a myth or not ?

stick to the subject, I blocked you because you are too repetitive and make no valuable contribution to this thread.

We are not arguing over the spelling of the name. The name is spelt very clearly. You guys have attempted to spin it and failed. His name is Xiraabu son of Goita son of Theodorous. It is absolutely fascinating that your people had non-muslim names during the times of Adal. A very important point (as sourced from the original Arabic) is that he was a recent convert to Islam. Now ponder this for a moment, the leader of your clan was a recent convert to Islam, what does that say about the rest of the clan? Were they all recent converts to Islam?

How can you say Xiraabu Goita Teodorous was an important player in Adal history? Have you actually read the text? Do you dispute any of the following?:

- Xiraabu Goita Theodorous was described in the book as a vile character, I believe the book used phrases such as "fond of intrigue and procrastination", "extremely wily", "double-dealing" and "swindler".

- Xiraabu and his people were the only group to not answer the Imam's call, the Imam had to personally arrange a group of his soldiers and go to threaten Xiraabu and his people. Xiraabu made excuses, one of which was his "poverty-stricken state", at which point the Imam cursed him.

- Bon Marehan were described in the book as "lagging" and "wavering".

- Xiraabu killed a boy squire, which enraged the Imam who chased him at which point Xiraabu Goita Theodorous fled his country and went deep into Hawiye country for refuge.

- Bon Marehan were described in the book as "people of the bow" i.e. archers, like the Midgans.

Do you dispute any of this? If not how can you say they were important players? Xiraabu himself ended up being a fugitive in Hawiye country.

The reason we are interested in the name is that here we have a historic record of the leader of your subclan, and the abtirsi has (at least) three generations of non somali non muslim names. In fact, the leader of your clan is described as a recent convert to Islam. That tells a lot about your people and their origins/assimilation into Somalis etc. It is a very important record. Especially if you take into account that they are described as a stand alone clan with no relation to Gerri. This was a time before the Darod myth was created.

Do the cousins you mentioned also have three generations of non-Somali non-Muslim names by any chance? That is very interesting if true.

As for Amir Nur, we have categorically refuted your claim in this thread. I see you have accepted that no link to bon marehan is ever mentioned in the original source (do you dispute this?) which is why you are attempting to make the claim based on oral history. This is garbage. Your oral history also states you are the progeny of an Arab who came to Somali peninsula on a flying carpet. Your entire claim to Nur ibn Mujahid is based on that erroneous article. We have the original Arabic source clearly labelling him as non-Somali, specifically of the Malasai. This is irrefutable. Please do not attempt to cite the name of the school that was opened a few years ago, that will get you laughed at just like it did your cousin.

[HISOKA]

imam axmed gurey was balaw sexawle karanle hawiya

[PanSomaliNationalist]

Imam axmed gurey was auliyan ogaden darood

[HISOKA]

PanSomaliNationalist


We have heard many claims on his head, from different tribes, and nations even the arabs had there own claims. so lets try to find the truth.

1: Futah Al-Habashi: Quotes from the book will give us a guide

2: Axmed gurey's Cousin and Brother in other source Garad Abun.

3: Axmed gurey's birth place and city hubat (Hoobad)

4: Garad Ibrahim/ connections with the imam..

5: Ancient Oromo beliefs about Axmed Gurey

6: habasha books and ancient beliefs about Axmed gurey

7: the city of hubat and the its peoples connection with the Imam..

8: WHO are the balaw tribe

NB: the most important are Garad Abuun and Imam Axmed gurey's connections and there home city


in futuh al habasha there was no mention of the imams ethnicty, However there are many referrences of his relatives who seem to be from the belaw ethnicty
The imam was born in the city hubat located between zeilac and harar, its ruler was the cheiftain of the belaw
Al futuh says: ''ibrahim bin ahmed ruler of the country of hubat of The tribe of belaw''
this ibrahim ruler of hubat seems to be the imams father
Al futuh says: ''the imam was at that time knight under garaad abun who loved him and show how courageous he was''

This is what some people told him. separating him and Garad Mahfuz of the Walashma, and there only connection is thru marriage. the Imam was married to his daughter bati al wambara

They gathered in Amajah where they stayed three days. It was one of the towns in Abyssinia that had Muslims living in it. But it belonged to the king. Its inhabitants then went to the imam Ahmad and said, "The king of Abyssinia has a mighty force with him; the number of his horses is incalculable. Only the Most High God knows the number of his coats of mail, helmets, foot-soldiers and shields made of hide. Your fathers, your ancestors, the emir `Ali, the emir Mahfuz your father-in-law, along with Garad Ibrahim and the sultans who long ago used to rule in the country of Sa`d ad-Din - not one of them has ever attacked the king of Abyssinia in his own country, in his own dwelling-place

this garaad abun seems his brother WHO have trained him. but the futah says he is his cousin by the name of Garad abun ibn adash of hubat as well. the futah never mentions him as a Brother but cousin..

here is where it gets weird.. Ethiopian soldier or A king sends a letter to Axmed gurey thru Arab fiqi WHO wrote the book futah, and this letter is also used in the futah.. but he never corrects him.

''It was I who long ago killed your brother Garad Abun, son of Garad Ibrahim, who was older than you in years. I routed his army, and did so more than once. Don't imagine that I am like any of the patricians whom you've encountered up till now. I am Wasan Sagad''

Wasan Sagad says his Brother while arab fiqi claim as his cousin.. some one is misinformed they can not both be correct and it will later on show that arab fiqi is correct. sinces he was with the imam.

The futah goes on to praise Garad abun ibn adash and says that he loved Axmed gurey

''After this Garad Abun came against him, and ruled for seven years. He clung to the truth, and exercised justice and authority in a fair way, banning what was forbidden, killing highwaymen, forbidding wine, games, and dances accompanied by drums. The country flourished. He cultivated the nobles and the Qur'anic teachers, the dervishes and the sheikhs. He ruled over his kingdom and worked for the good of his subjects.

Our lord the imam of the Muslims, Ahmad bin Ibrahim al-Ghazi was at that time a knight under Garad Abun, endowed with intelligence and foresight who consulted, in his youth and his prime, the inspiration of God the Most High in regard to the commission that God willed should be entrusted to him. Garad Abun loved him mightily, when he saw how courageous and astute he was''

ancient oromo beliefs says that Axmed gurey was a Balaw Karanle hawiya babile afaan oromo, and they have that written Down in some books, which are not translated. but they believe he was a balaw.

The tigriyan highlanders also have there claims on him and have some books. that claim he is a balaw, from tigriyans themselves because there is a tigriyan balaw's in the highlands of ethiopia.. and when the Imam captured habasha he had his camp there and his wife was with them in the war times. they were guarding her. he also had a meeting with some balaw tribes during his camp up there.


Now the Question is WHO are this balaw tribe and where do they live? we know that the Garad Ibrahim of hubat was a balaw.

Hubat is located between Harar and babile, and the city is called in af somali ''Hoobad'' and the people you will find today in this city are still the same. they belong to the same tribe as the balaw mentioned up. Balaw is a sub-sub-sub tribe under Karanle sixawle and this tribe still lives in hoobad, and the entire city is mainly karanle sixawle balaw.


Beesha Karanle accept kismayo airport being named after Imam axmed gurey + some interesting facts.

Caddeyn: Sax iyo qalad.

1. Sida uu xusay kutubka “Kashf as-sudul can taariikh as-Sumal” wuxuu sheegayaa in uu iimaamku ku dhashay magaalada Hoobad oo ah dhul ay degaan tolka Balaw ama Bulow.

Waxaa sax ah in uu tolkani yahay Baalow oo ah Seexawle Karanle oo ay degmada Hoobad ka mid tahay dhulku uu ilaa maanta dego.

2. Sidoo kale buuggani wuxuu xusayaa in Iimaam Axmed uu ku biiray ciidamo uu hoggaaminayey Garaad Abuun Cadash.

Waxaa sax ah in magaca garaadka dambe uu ahaa Garaad Abuun Cadaadshe oo ay ka soo jeedaan jilibka Reer Garaad Abuun Cadaadshe. Garaadkani wuxuu ilma-adeer la ahaa Imaam Axmed-gurey oo isagu ahaa Axmed Garaad Ibraahim Maxamed. Markii uu dhintay Garaad Ibraahim oo ahaa Axmed aabbihii ayaa waxaa garaadnimadii beesha la wareegay Garaad Cadaadshe, waxaana ka sii dhaxlay wiilkiisii oo ahaa Abuun Garaad Cadaadshe. Sidaas awgeed Axmed Gurey dadaal badan ayuu u galay dib u hanashada garaadnimadii uu dhaxalka u lahaa ee beesha Karanle, waxaase Alle ku galladay in uu noqday iimaamka muslimiinta Geeska Afrika.

The Link a must read
http://garsoor.wordpress.com/2008/10/06 ... andheyska/


the full abtirsi tree of Balaw tribe,
http://oi40.tinypic.com/2e67ew1.jpg

Now sinces we know that the balaw tribes still lives in hoobad, i wanna show you a map of karanle lands in ethiopia, and its far Deep into ethiopia out of the somali region. South harar, Babile and funyan bira and in South harar there is a city called after one of the sub Clans of karanle Gidir.. ''Gidir magala''

Map of karanle land location and note its out of somali region
http://oi42.tinypic.com/zbhpk.jpg

close up map
http://oi41.tinypic.com/2yp18g0.jpg

Based on the 2007 Census conducted by the Central Statistical Agency of Ethiopia (CSA), this woreda has a total population of 77,317, of whom 41,629 are men and 35,688 women. While 1,273 or 1.65% are urban inhabitants, a further 17,533 or 22.68% are pastoralists. 99.29% of the population said they were Muslim. This woreda is inhabited by the Karanle Hawiye clan of the Somali people, as well as the Babille Oromo.

The 1994 national census reported a total population for this woreda of 93,527, of whom 48,436 were men and 45,091 were women; the census identified no urban inhabitants. The largest ethnic group reported in Babille was the Somali people 99.97%


Conclusion: Garad abun ibn cadaadshe and Imam axmed gurey's connection, and there home city hoobad + there progeny in hoobad with there correct abtirsi is the truth.

[HISOKA]

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[PanSomaliNationalist]

Ahmed Gurey was an Isaaq man, many people confuse him with Imam Ahmed Al Ghazi, but they are two separate people. His name was Ahmed Xuseen Al Somali, nickname being Axmed Gurey. The Arab chronicles made it clear that there were two historical characters, both named Ahmed, one named Ghazi whilst the other who was of the Habar Magadle Isaaq was called Axmed Gurey.

Yes he was isaaq even Ethiopians know him very well. Itoobiyaanka wadnuhuu u galay, read this funny recent comment from youtube.

Of course they know he was Isaaq, even during the 77 war, it was Isaaq who put up the greatest fight and freed the Somali districts from Ethiopian rule, all the while hosting the majority of Somali refugees in their land, even non-Isaaq army officers admitted as much.

It is said that during the 77 war amxaar were shouting this as they were retreating:

"aar waa kuwii"

Are you f-king autistic it was abdullahi yusufs majerteen forces that liberated jigjiga and it was even noted that siad barre was too stubborn to properly arm him yet he still captured a lion shares of land

[Adali]

Well its fascinating he got non-Somali name, not here to argue over the spelling of name since my clans involvement and role in Adal does not rely on the spelling of name haha. But since you are obsessed with his name, do you not think it makes sense since Adal reached as far north as Tigray and even Eritrea today. I am not saying it is his nickname, but the nicknames of his father and grandfather. I told you already that Ahmed Gurey was not the first Imam to reach Tigray and fight Habesha, Imam Mahfuz before him did it, and we seem to forget about his important role in Adal.

Xiraabu and his brothers were both important players in Adal history, I am interested in their name, but the subject of discussion is not his name, we know its foreign no need to giggle over that, I have cousins and nephews who have foreign names and are wadaado, our subject is Amiir Nuur, Ahmed Gurey and Abadir, these according to Marehan oral history are Marehan, our claims are not based on articles where we argue over spelling of names, our claim is based on history passed down through generations. Can you dispel this oral history as a myth or not ?

stick to the subject, I blocked you because you are too repetitive and make no valuable contribution to this thread.

We are not arguing over the spelling of the name. The name is spelt very clearly. You guys have attempted to spin it and failed. His name is Xiraabu son of Goita son of Theodorous. It is absolutely fascinating that your people had non-muslim names during the times of Adal. A very important point (as sourced from the original Arabic) is that he was a recent convert to Islam. Now ponder this for a moment, the leader of your clan was a recent convert to Islam, what does that say about the rest of the clan? Were they all recent converts to Islam?

How can you say Xiraabu Goita Teodorous was an important player in Adal history? Have you actually read the text? Do you dispute any of the following?:

- Xiraabu Goita Theodorous was described in the book as a vile character, I believe the book used phrases such as "fond of intrigue and procrastination", "extremely wily", "double-dealing" and "swindler".

- Xiraabu and his people were the only group to not answer the Imam's call, the Imam had to personally arrange a group of his soldiers and go to threaten Xiraabu and his people. Xiraabu made excuses, one of which was his "poverty-stricken state", at which point the Imam cursed him.

- Bon Marehan were described in the book as "lagging" and "wavering".

- Xiraabu killed a boy squire, which enraged the Imam who chased him at which point Xiraabu Goita Theodorous fled his country and went deep into Hawiye country for refuge.

- Bon Marehan were described in the book as "people of the bow" i.e. archers, like the Midgans.

Do you dispute any of this? If not how can you say they were important players? Xiraabu himself ended up being a fugitive in Hawiye country.

The reason we are interested in the name is that here we have a historic record of the leader of your subclan, and the abtirsi has (at least) three generations of non somali non muslim names. In fact, the leader of your clan is described as a recent convert to Islam. That tells a lot about your people and their origins/assimilation into Somalis etc. It is a very important record. Especially if you take into account that they are described as a stand alone clan with no relation to Gerri. This was a time before the Darod myth was created.

Do the cousins you mentioned also have three generations of non-Somali non-Muslim names by any chance? That is very interesting if true.

As for Amir Nur, we have categorically refuted your claim in this thread. I see you have accepted that no link to bon marehan is ever mentioned in the original source (do you dispute this?) which is why you are attempting to make the claim based on oral history. This is garbage. Your oral history also states you are the progeny of an Arab who came to Somali peninsula on a flying carpet. Your entire claim to Nur ibn Mujahid is based on that erroneous article. We have the original Arabic source clearly labelling him as non-Somali, specifically of the Malasai. This is irrefutable. Please do not attempt to cite the name of the school that was opened a few years ago, that will get you laughed at just like it did your cousin.

its fascinating, and does not cast any doubt on the islamic faith of the bearers, my assumption is that the Tigray name came from an excursion into Tigray land during previous battles, remember Adal prior to Ahmed Gurey had numerious battles with the Habesha and also several civil wars. The name goita or goyta is not a name, it is a term of endearment that people use for those they respect and admire, especially religious leaders, goyta is used today in tigray for priest in a serious setting but also a term of endearment, similar to our somali use of Xaaji. To a non-educated iidoor who stumbles across this foreign name it may surprise them, but there is nothing unislamic about foreign names depending on their meaning. However, Gaalo madow is categorically unislamic name, and it cast a huge doubt over the religion of the bearer. Gaalo madow for those who don't know is the sub-sub-sub- clan of Bend over credit goes to Best Playa for exposing it to the public even though nobody really cares about iidoor subclans besides the 3 habars.

To compare this name to the current president Mohamed Abdulahi Mohamed Farmaajo, the name Farmaajo is not Somali it literally means cheese in italian, and it is derived from his father who was anti-colonial cheese maker in Mogadishu, he was imprisoned by the Italians for financially supporting Somali freedom movements.

Notice Xiraabu brother who has the name Ahmed Goyta Tedros also has this name, I would never claim Goyta tedros is the nick name of Xiraabu but it is perhaps the nick names of his father and grandfather. just like Abdullahi Mohamed the farther of Mohamed Abdullahi was nicknamed Farmaajo.

The idea that a Marehan man can have Tigray name is not unusual, Darood are Jeberti and Trigrayans that are muslim are known as Jeberti, it is very possible that many Daroods were lost during the Adal wars and ended up in Trigay regions but continue to practice Islam, and there is also massive efforts by Christian trigayans to claim these people while they vehemently oppose them, the same can be said about the Muslmi Silte who the Amhars claim to be from their ethnic group but the Silte vehemently oppose. Funnily enough these people speak the language, while iidoor who speak Somali call the habesha their brothers.

I choose to ignore the other claims you make about Marehan being recent converts or midgo, the integrity of this thread will diminish if I choose to engage you in that level.

[Ben Dover]

its fascinating, and does not cast any doubt on the islamic faith of the bearers, my assumption is that the Tigray name came from an excursion into Tigray land during previous battles, remember Adal prior to Ahmed Gurey had numerious battles with the Habesha and also several civil wars. The name goita or goyta is not a name, it is a term of endearment that people use for those they respect and admire, especially religious leaders, goyta is used today in tigray for priest in a serious setting but also a term of endearment, similar to our somali use of Xaaji. To a non-educated iidoor who stumbles across this foreign name it may surprise them, but there is nothing unislamic about foreign names depending on their meaning. However, Gaalo madow is categorically unislamic name, and it cast a huge doubt over the religion of the bearer. Gaalo madow for those who don't know is the sub-sub-sub- clan of Bend over credit goes to Best Playa for exposing it to the public even though nobody really cares about iidoor subclans besides the 3 habars.

To compare this name to the current president Mohamed Abdulahi Mohamed Farmaajo, the name Farmaajo is not Somali it literally means cheese in italian, and it is derived from his father who was anti-colonial cheese maker in Mogadishu, he was imprisoned by the Italians for financially supporting Somali freedom movements.

Notice Xiraabu brother who has the name Ahmed Goyta Tedros also has this name, I would never claim Goyta tedros is the nick name of Xiraabu but it is perhaps the nick names of his father and grandfather. just like Abdullahi Mohamed the farther of Mohamed Abdullahi was nicknamed Farmaajo.

I choose to ignore the other claims you make about Marehan being recent converts or midgo, the integrity of this thread will diminish if I choose to engage you in that level.

What are you talking about?

You can not have three generations of non-Somali, non-Muslim names on account of "an excursion into Tigray land", that is absurd. How do you explain Xiraabu son of Goita son of Theodorous having not one but three names (that we know of) in his abtirsi that were alien to Somalis just because he was part of the Adal wars?

We know that he was a reluctant member of the Imam's army, he did not join willingly, he only joined when the Imam turned up at his place with his soldiers, at which point he made excuses on account of his "poverty-stricken state". We have no record of him joining any previous jihad, and that is unlikely given his demeanour during the jihad, and the end of his story where the Imam chased him after killing a boy and fleeing to Hawiye country.

Do not attempt to spin it. The name is Goita. In the original Arabic it clearly states Xiraabu Goita Theodorous.

Remember, we have a few things at play here:

- His name was Xiraabu Goita Theodorous, that is three generations of non Somali non muslim name. This is irrefutable.

- He is also described in the book as a recent convert to Islam:



There is no spinning this boon. It is clear cut. And when you add the fact that his was the only group to outright refuse the call of jihad, and only join after the Imam came to them riding in force (at which point they started making up excuses and the imam cursed them). Also not forgetting the detailed description of the character of Xiraabu, as a vile, double-dealing, swindling, procrastinator who was wily and fond of intrigue. You add all of that, and add the fact that boon marehan were described as archers in the book (like Midgans) and you get an idea of the history of assimilation that led to you speaking Somali today.

If your leader was a recent convert by the name of Xiraabu Goita Theodorous, it follows that the rest of boon marehan were also recent converts.

Notice Xiraabu brother who has the name Ahmed Goyta Tedros also has this name, I would never claim Goyta tedros is the nick name of Xiraabu but it is perhaps the nick names of his father and grandfather. just like Abdullahi Mohamed the farther of Mohamed Abdullahi was nicknamed Farmaajo.

You knew you would be laughed at if you claimed Goita Theodorous was his nickname. It can not be a nickname for the simple reason that the book has other characters with the name Theodorous (they are not muslim btw). There goes your lie.

You are avoiding my previous question, do you dispute any of the following:

- Xiraabu Goita Theodorous was described in the book as a vile character, I believe the book used phrases such as "fond of intrigue and procrastination", "extremely wily", "double-dealing" and "swindler".

- Xiraabu and his people were the only group to not answer the Imam's call, the Imam had to personally arrange a group of his soldiers and go to threaten Xiraabu and his people. Xiraabu made excuses, one of which was his "poverty-stricken state", at which point the Imam cursed him.

- Bon Marehan were described in the book as "lagging" and "wavering".

- Xiraabu killed a boy squire, which enraged the Imam who chased him at which point Xiraabu Goita Theodorous fled his country and went deep into Hawiye country for refuge.

- Bon Marehan were described in the book as "people of the bow" i.e. archers, like the Midgans.

Do you dispute any of this? If not how can you say they were important players? Xiraabu himself ended up being a fugitive in Hawiye country.

I would be very interested to see if you dare dispute any of the above. It is all sourced.

[Adali]

You can add together all your assumptions and hope that pigs can fly, but I stick to facts and reality.

Xiraabu Goyta tedros, and his brother were both generals in the Somali Adal Sultanate, internal politics between Ahmed Gurey and Xiraabu does not indicate lack of Islam, we know from the book that at the time of Ahmed gurey becoming the Imam the country was ripe with civil war, infact feudal lords were at constant war with each other prior to Ahmed Gurey.

As for the name, Ahmed Gurey, Mahfuz who is one generation above Ahmed gurey and many before made incursions into Habesha as far north as present day northern Ethiopia and just south of Asmara.

in the process of constant wars where both sides had victories/loses somehow Xiraabu father and grandfather ended up with this name.

The Imam relied on Marehan, what the Arab guy writes about is just observation with a hint of typical Arab superiority complex over Somalis and you are falling for it iidoor wagash.

[Ben Dover]

You can add together all your assumptions and hope that pigs can fly, but I stick to facts and reality.

I have stated facts from the original source. Please state where I have made assumptions.

Xiraabu Goyta tedros, and his brother were both generals in the Somali Adal Sultanate, internal politics between Ahmed Gurey and Xiraabu does not indicate lack of Islam

You are wrong, we are not discussing internal politics between the Imam and Xiraabu Goita Theodorous, we are discussing the fact that the text explicitly states that Mr. Theodorous was a recent convert to Islam.

As for the name, Ahmed Gurey, Mahfuz who is one generation above Ahmed gurey and many before made incursions into Habesha as far north as present day northern Ethiopia and just south of Asmara.

in the process of constant wars where both sides had victories/loses somehow Xiraabu father and grandfather ended up with this name.

You are just making things up now, I thought you were "sticking to facts and reality"..

You have just invented the "constant wars = non-muslim non-Somali names" out of thin air. Try again. We have no record of Xiraabu Goita Theodorous joining a previous jihad, if anything, the text indicates this was his first jihad as he was a reluctant addition to the Imam's forces, only joining upon the threat of the Imam and his soldiers.

Also there is the simple fact that Mahfuz who you mention and Sultan Abu Baker all had muslim names.

Besides, how was his father and grandfather part of jihad when he is described as a recent convert?

I repeat my question to you, do you dispute any of the following (this is the third time I am asking you this simple question):

- Xiraabu Goita Theodorous was described in the book as a vile character, I believe the book used phrases such as "fond of intrigue and procrastination", "extremely wily", "double-dealing" and "swindler".

- Xiraabu and his people were the only group to not answer the Imam's call, the Imam had to personally arrange a group of his soldiers and go to threaten Xiraabu and his people. Xiraabu made excuses, one of which was his "poverty-stricken state", at which point the Imam cursed him.

- Bon Marehan were described in the book as "lagging" and "wavering".

- Xiraabu killed a boy squire, which enraged the Imam who chased him at which point Xiraabu Goita Theodorous fled his country and went deep into Hawiye country for refuge.

- Bon Marehan were described in the book as "people of the bow" i.e. archers, like the Midgans.

Do you dispute any of this? If not how can you say they were important players? Xiraabu himself ended up being a fugitive in Hawiye country.

I wonder why you are evading this simple question... Do you dispute any of the above?

[Xildiiid]

Boon Marexaar and the Dofaar Ismaciil have been dismantled.

Their fairytales debunked.

[Ragedii]

He seems to flip flop a lot from what ive seen

[Ben Dover]

They fled again. All I did was ask simple question

- Xiraabu Goita Theodorous was described in the book as a vile character, I believe the book used phrases such as "fond of intrigue and procrastination", "extremely wily", "double-dealing" and "swindler".

- Xiraabu and his people were the only group to not answer the Imam's call, the Imam had to personally arrange a group of his soldiers and go to threaten Xiraabu and his people. Xiraabu made excuses, one of which was his "poverty-stricken state", at which point the Imam cursed him.

- Bon Marehan were described in the book as "lagging" and "wavering".

- Xiraabu killed a boy squire, which enraged the Imam who chased him at which point Xiraabu Goita Theodorous fled his country and went deep into Hawiye country for refuge.

- Bon Marehan were described in the book as "people of the bow" i.e. archers, like the Midgans.

Do you dispute any of this?

[AbdiCushite]

Doofar need mass education. What a most group

[Ben Dover]

What a great thread. In the end, boons fled, like they always do, as soon as they were confronted with sources. They will go into hiding now and come back in a few weeks, rinse and repeat

- Xiraabu Goita Theodorous was described in the book as a vile character, I believe the book used phrases such as "fond of intrigue and procrastination", "extremely wily", "double-dealing" and "swindler".

- Xiraabu and his people were the only group to not answer the Imam's call, the Imam had to personally arrange a group of his soldiers and go to threaten Xiraabu and his people. Xiraabu made excuses, one of which was his "poverty-stricken state", at which point the Imam cursed him.

- Bon Marehan were described in the book as "lagging" and "wavering".

- Xiraabu killed a boy squire, which enraged the Imam who chased him at which point Xiraabu Goita Theodorous fled his country and went deep into Hawiye country for refuge.

- Bon Marehan were described in the book as "people of the bow" i.e. archers, like the Midgans.

Do you dispute any of this?

Not a single one of them disputed any of the above. This is what happens when you know you've been had. They also failed to provide a single source for 38 pages straight, they were aware they were lying all along. Absolutely no shame.

Kacaan revisionism is dead, you are boon marehan, embrace your heritage