Ethiopian and Western propagandist for the Ogadeen narrative, in the Hawd region against the Isaaq.

[X.Playa]

The Ogaden , have always claimed to be the victims of colonial powers. Their narrative is simple , that they were ardent nationalist , who both opposed the Ethiopian and the British and Italians . Their second claim is that the Isaaq in the Hawd region was brought in by the British and before the British these regions were Ogaden regions. Now thats their mythology or narrative , reality is completely different. I have so far read all the materials of the pro-Ogaden narrative expert/writers or researchers.

1- Cedric Barnes ( American? or British)
2- John Markakis ( Scandinavian)
3- Gufu Oba ( Kenyan)
4- and one Ethiopian. cant recall his book , but i will find it.

Most of them follow the original Ogaden narrative popularized by John Markakis whom in 1981 wrote " The Ishaq-Ogaden dispute..." basically putting the Ogaden narrative in print and pass it as a research. His recent books among them Ethiopia: The Last Two Frontiers basically follow the same Ogaden narative from his 1981 paper. The rest of the above researchers , basically followed his initial conclusion , that " the poor dark Ogadens were the victims of Britain and Isaaq''".

They conflate two issues , first Hawd the traditional Isaaq rainy season grazing lands from time immemorial with the post Dervish invasion of Ogadeen land Doollo by the Isaaq , the raid of Haji Waraabe in October 1920 , that crushed the dervish and settled Isaaq in the heart of the Ogadeen country. Doollo and Hawd are two different things.

In 1935 emperor Heila Selassi met with the Ogaden clan and their various cheifs. Requesting from the Ogaden to fight along the Ethiopian colonial troops against the Italian invasion. The Ogaden accepted Heila Selassie request on one condition, the Ogaden chief and spoke person Gerad Makhtal Gerad Dahir said:

" If its wished Somalis become a sincere friend of the Abyssinian , then the English subjects should be obliged to move out of the Ogaden immediately

Ethiopia the last two frontiers, page .142.

Meaning we will collaborate with the colonial Ethiopians , that kill Ogadens , rape ogadens and robb ogadens , if only the Ethiopian kick the the Isaaq out of " our land".

to be continued.

[original dervish]

So if the OGs got support from foreign entities to rid their lands of iidoor, whom themselves arrived with foreign support, this is some sort of treason.
Somali's in general are no worse or better than each.......so stop your pseudo scholarly bullshit.

[Khalid Ali]

Xplaya do you Have something on guleed xaaji. I was yesterday with mid reer caynaashe who is mother is reer samatar. Most of the time he was taking about how hy reer caymaahse karbaaahed both ciidagalle and reer samatar in the hawd. But he did not tell me about the rear caynaashe or reer suldaan diiriye how they took daroor. Remember daroor and gaashaamo were both lost prior to English colonialism. In 1870s

[X.Playa]

Xplaya do you Have something on guleed xaaji. I was yesterday with mid reer caynaashe who is mother is reer samatar. Most of the time he was taking about how hy reer caymaahse karbaaahed both ciidagalle and reer samatar in the hawd. But he did not tell me about the rear caynaashe or reer suldaan diiriye how they took daroor. Remember daroor and gaashaamo were both lost prior to English colonialism. In 1870s

Why waste time on a buffoon high on Qaad??? those kind of debate , are mind numbing race to ground zero. There was no reer Caynaashe on these far western regions , only a sub clan or 1 out of the 17 sections of the Caynaashe , the Sugulle, the rest of the inhabitant of Daroor 99% of them are other H.Y sections and some Ciidagale.

[X.Playa]

A little note on Garaad Makhtal Garaad Daahir the founder of the WSLF ( Western Somali Liberation Front ) in 1963, or what the Ogaden called then Nasrulla, later the OLF.

Garaad Makhtal was born in 1907, he became a Gerad after the Isaaq killed his father Garaad Daahir and his brother in clan wars over the that region. In 1935 after the Ogadeen threw their fortune with the Heila Selassi to fight along colonial Ethiopia on the condition of the Ethiopian removing the Isaaq from their land.

Till 1940s Makhtal was an Ethiopian stooge , he then turned coat and joined the SYL, he was imprisoned in 1949 and sentenced to death only to be realsed by Heila Selassi . Again he ran to Somalia Only to reject the Somali Youth League and the greater Somalia Lord Beevin plane , arguing its an Isaaq scheme , he joined Ethiopia and rejected Somaliweyn. In 1962 in ethiopia he was given the title of Dejazamtach by Heila Selassi.

In 1963,

"The rebellion was launched on June 16, 1963, at Hodayo, a watering hole just north of Warder, where 300 men picked Makhtal Dahir to lead the overall insurgency, later dubbed the Western Somalia Liberation Front."

The biography of this double agent illustrate the Daarood mentality , when it comes to somali nationalism from 1940-1960s.

[theyuusuf143]

Ninkaa ogaden tolaw maxaa reer garaad shirshoore u gala , imisa jeer buu xuubsiibtay sida maska kkkkkk

[X.Playa]

Ninkaa ogaden tolaw maxaa reer garaad shirshoore u gala , imisa jeer buu xuubsiibtay sida maska kkkkkk

Kuma??

[theyuusuf143]

Ninkaa ogaden tolaw maxaa reer garaad shirshoore u gala , imisa jeer buu xuubsiibtay sida maska kkkkkk

Kuma??

Dee maqtal

[X.Playa]

kaligii maaha all Daarood are the same. I will list all those who defected to Ethiopia in during the somali independence .

[Khalid Ali]

It's true hailes.selassie called the region ogaden In order for ogaden to feel that they are Ethiopian. The amharas didn't know difference between somali tribes. He wanted to make ogaden Ethiopian. It's an Ethiopian abyssinian narrative to differenate between somali and ogaden. So that ogaden become a distinct identity with in ethiopia. The tplf and eplf when they won the war after the derg. Called it somali kilil. The eritreans know this story very well because the amhara used to call Eritrea midri bahri or mereb milash. And tigray and tigrinya people corrected this mistake in 1991

[X.Playa]

It's true hailes.selassie called the region ogaden In order for ogaden to feel that they are Ethiopian. The amharas didn't know difference between somali tribes. He wanted to make ogaden Ethiopian. It's an Ethiopian abyssinian narrative to differenate between somali and ogaden. So that ogaden become a distinct identity with in ethiopia. The tplf and eplf when they won the war after the derg. Called it somali kilil. The eritreans know this story very well because the amhara used to call Eritrea midri bahri or mereb milash. And tigray and tigrinya people corrected this mistake in 1991

What we know for sure the term Ogadenia was coined by Garaad Makhtal in 1963 during the creation of the so called WSLF.

What you are missing and I will come to it in the subsequent posts, is the Ogaden clan policy since at least the 1920s in trying to cleanse Isaaq from the Hawd region and Doollo regions.

It was the implicit policy of the WSLF to in one hand make their own clan movement and use the Somali republic Daarood elements for financial and diplomatic resources and remove all Isaaq from the Hawd.

After 1977 the ogaden WSLF front old Makhtal Dahir vision was enacted and they began killing Isaaq nomads in the Hawd thus causing the Isaaq to created 4aad to confront the WSLF.

In another word the WSLF quest for Isaaq cleansing caused the creation of the SNM.

The genesis of the history that caused the creation of the SNM goes back to the dervish Isaaq conflict that climaxed when the Isaaq finally defeated the dervish and occupied not the Hawd but proper Ogaden land Doollo.

The creation of the SNM was due to many causes, the most paramount cause was the WSLF policy cleansing the Isaaq from the Hawd.

That's why if you watched the documentary " where is the north " and the history of Afraad led by Maxamed Ali and the 1978 execution of WSLF and the creation of the SNM within the Somali republic as opposed to the campaign in the diaspora, you will find that the genesis of the SNM creation was as a direct result of the ogaden WSLF.

The Isaaq faced both political and economic magnetization. But worst then that the Isaaq in Ethiopia faced a campaign of terror and extermination from the Adweyne supported WSLF ogaden.

The later was more urgent thus Afraad then that morphed into SNM by Isaaq officers in the Somali republic not the diaspora intellectuals.

Few make the obvious connection because it takes huge amount of research. Usually the lazy Isaaq begin the birth of the SNM with the diaspora in UK and Saudi Arabia, that maybe be true but isn't the whole story.

[TeeriReturns]

So if the OGs got support from foreign entities to rid their lands of iidoor, whom themselves arrived with foreign support, this is some sort of treason.
Somali's in general are no worse or better than each.......so stop your pseudo scholarly bullshit.

idoor asked the british 10,000 rifles, they got it, then they proceeded and sued it against ogadens and harti, ogaden fought back and kicked idoors out, and then chased them back to somaliland, the british stopped ogandes on the border, idoor was almost wiped out, the ogadens did encirclement on them,


moral of stoery, idoor is not innocent they pretend, if idoor was given atomic weapons today, they will not use to to help Palestine, they will wipe out daroods, waa jewish,

[X.Playa]

So if the OGs got support from foreign entities to rid their lands of iidoor, whom themselves arrived with foreign support, this is some sort of treason.
Somali's in general are no worse or better than each.......so stop your pseudo scholarly bullshit.

idoor asked the british 10,000 rifles, they got it, then they proceeded and sued it against ogadens and harti, ogaden fought back and kicked idoors out, and then chased them back to somaliland, the british stopped ogandes on the border, idoor was almost wiped out, the ogadens did encirclement on them,


moral of stoery, idoor is not innocent they pretend, if idoor was given atomic weapons today, they will not use to to help Palestine, they will wipe out daroods, waa jewish,

Where did Isaaq ask for 10k rifles to kill your Daarood?

Thats your clans narrative but it has no historical veracity.

[TeeriReturns]

Ninkaa ogaden tolaw maxaa reer garaad shirshoore u gala , imisa jeer buu xuubsiibtay sida maska kkkkkk

Kuma??

Dee maqtal

cabdullahi yusuf got wepaons from mengustu, then mangustu placed him in prison for 6 years, tough poltical man have to play real politik,

they have to be Machiavellian, permanent alliance to non,

[TeeriReturns]

It's true hailes.selassie called the region ogaden In order for ogaden to feel that they are Ethiopian. The amharas didn't know difference between somali tribes. He wanted to make ogaden Ethiopian. It's an Ethiopian abyssinian narrative to differenate between somali and ogaden. So that ogaden become a distinct identity with in ethiopia. The tplf and eplf when they won the war after the derg. Called it somali kilil. The eritreans know this story very well because the amhara used to call Eritrea midri bahri or mereb milash. And tigray and tigrinya people corrected this mistake in 1991

so haile selaile was so much in love with ogadens he decided to keep the name ogaden for the region just to piss off other somali tribes and unite the ogadens against isaaq and hopefully they will join ethiopia becasue haile love dthme more than yall? cajiiiiiiib

khalid awow you gone mad man,

the british decided to call the name ogaden in 1884 during berlin conference hen africa was being carfed uup,

why? simply becaseu everywhere they went they asked people you are you, 92% said ogaden,
thus the english came back to london, had some tea and scones and say jolly good old chap, all we every meet are these tall handsome cuhstic cagdheers called oagdens, then ogaden it is and should be called sir, jolly good old chap, make the queen sign the name of the new region,