X.Playa wrote: Sun Mar 11, 2018 7:38 pm
TeeriReturns wrote: Sun Mar 11, 2018 7:24 pm
X.Playa wrote: Sun Mar 11, 2018 4:50 pm
The Ogaden , have always claimed to be the victims of colonial powers. Their narrative is simple , that they were ardent nationalist , who both opposed the Ethiopian and the British and Italians . Their second claim is that the Isaaq in the Hawd region was brought in by the British and before the British these regions were Ogaden regions. Now thats their mythology or narrative , reality is completely different. I have so far read all the materials of the pro-Ogaden narrative expert/writers or researchers.
1- Cedric Barnes ( American? or British)
2- John Markakis ( Scandinavian)
3- Gufu Oba ( Kenyan)
4- and one Ethiopian. cant recall his book , but i will find it.
Most of them follow the original Ogaden narrative popularized by John Markakis whom in 1981 wrote " The Ishaq-Ogaden dispute..." basically putting the Ogaden narrative in print and pass it as a research. His recent books among them Ethiopia: The Last Two Frontiers basically follow the same Ogaden narative from his 1981 paper. The rest of the above researchers , basically followed his initial conclusion , that " the poor dark Ogadens were the victims of Britain and Isaaq''".
They conflate two issues , first Hawd the traditional Isaaq rainy season grazing lands from time immemorial with the post Dervish invasion of Ogadeen land Doollo by the Isaaq , the raid of Haji Waraabe in October 1920 , that crushed the dervish and settled Isaaq in the heart of the Ogadeen country. Doollo and Hawd are two different things.
In 1935 emperor Heila Selassi met with the Ogaden clan and their various cheifs. Requesting from the Ogaden to fight along the Ethiopian colonial troops against the Italian invasion. The Ogaden accepted Heila Selassie request on one condition, the Ogaden chief and spoke person Gerad Makhtal Gerad Dahir said:
Ethiopia the last two frontiers, page .142.
Meaning we will collaborate with the colonial Ethiopians , that kill Ogadens , rape ogadens and robb ogadens , if only the Ethiopian kick the the Isaaq out of " our land".
to be continued.
The Anglo-Ethiopian Agreement of 1944
In this second Anglo-Ethiopian Treaty the Ethiopians had little option but to agree to British demands for the continued occupation of the Reserved Area and Ogaden. The Emperor’s negotiators nevertheless persuaded the British to accept a reformulation of the relevant article, Article 7, which accordingly declared:
“In order as an Ally to contribute to the effective prosecution of the war, and without prejudice to her underlying sovereignty, the Imperial Ethiopian Government hereby agree that, for the duration of the Agreement, the territories designated as the Reserved Area and the Ogaden… shall be under British Military Administration'”.
Britain’s motive in retaining Ogaden became apparent in the Spring of 1946, when the British Foreign Secretary, Ernest Bevin, proposed that the territory be joined to ex-Italian Somalia, and placed, together with British Somaliland, under British Trusteeship. His government further suggested that Ethiopia, bereft of Ogaden, should be given compensation in Eritrea. This Greater Somalia plan, as it was called, was immediately rejected by the Ethiopian Government, and ran into strong Soviet opposition. Soviet Foreign Minister Molotov declared that the scheme was designed to “expand the British Empire at the expense of Italy and Ethiopia, and to consolidate the monopolistic position of Great Britain in the Mediterranean and the Red Sea”.
Faced with such fierce opposition, Britain abandoned its hold on most of Ogaden in 1948, but retained the fertile grazing land of Haud until 1954, when the entire region was at last, returned to Ethiopia. This was a full two decades after its first alienation by fascist Italy at the time of Wal Wal.
xplaya, no proof we ever foguht on side of habashi, the people of Ogaden were betrayed bu brtiain, the colonial power,
I don't see any betrayal there unique to the Ogaden. The ogaden themselves rejected the Bevin plane of giving both three territory to the Somalis.
In fact it was none other Makhtal Dahir who rejected Bevin plane and sided with Ethiopia claiming the British plane is essentially an Isaaq scheme to rule the Ogaden.
So who betrayed who?
did you not read dude, it tells you there bevin succumbed to Soviet pressure in the UN, Ethiopia and Russia have always been allies, they supplied them the weapons menelik used since 1880s because waa same orthodox church,
Bevin gave in to pressure from the soviets and her allies, adn thus by 1954-58 Ogaden was out of British hands and into Ethiopian hands, betrayed by Britannia
also you keep saying garad Maqtal this and thast, can you bring proof? ironic you ask us proof, yet you make stuff up, war the NEW YORK TIMES was caling garad Maqtal AUN a fundamentalist in 1942 as he fought the Ethiopians and British before the British betrayed the land, the NY TImes was calling him the Sayid number 2, freeing his country,
sure haile was always trying to appease Ogaden and offered all things, but this is because he knew the problem we were causing for him, atleast we were men enough to fight and be willing to die for our land, whilst other tribes sat idly,
