Could the Oromo too be of Arab descent too?!-just a theory!

[Waachis]

''According to Oromo and Somali traditions of origin the earliest home of both the Oromo and the Somali was South Arabia until both of them migrated to Somalia. As a matter of fact, one version of the origin of the word “Oromo” is said to have been derived from the name of a tribal leader who was the son of Omer of Ghellad from Arabia, who crossed the sea to Berbera and settled in Africa. The Somalis, too, somehow trace their origin in Arabia. An important Somali tribe, the Ishaak, for instance, claim that they are the descendants of an Arab Sheik, Ishaak Ibn Ahmed, who arrived in Somali land between the 11th and 15th century. He married an Abyssinian woman and had four children who created the Habr Toljaala, an important Somali confederacy. The sons of the Abyssinian woman who established their own clan were Mohammed Abokr (Ibran), Ibrahim (Sambur), Musa Abokr (Jaalo) and Ahmed (Toljaalo). Thus in the veins of one of the most important Somali tribe flows a drop of Abyssinian (Tigre/Amhara) blood.

Regardless of whether the Oromos and the Somalis had migrated to Somalia from Arabia, it has been established by scholars that both of them had found themselves together in Somalia one time or another be it as friends or foes until the Oromo were driven from there under the pressure of Islam at least by the 12th Century. Both the Oromo and Somali had to live together in Ethiopia as well. As a matter of fact, the Arsi and Borena Oromos intermixed with the influential Somali tribe, the Geraa or Garre. The Bah Girei, one of the two tribes of the most important family of Southern Somalia descends from an Oromo mother. The Oromo and Somali now live together mainly in the Ethiopian provinces of Harer, Bale and Arsi sharing the same religion, economy and culture, using the same tools, and wearing more or less the same dresses, ornaments and hair styles as those of their Afar and Saho relatives and neighbors.

The Oromo did not mix and live together only with the Somali and the Afar the past 500 years. They also mixed with and influenced the Amhara, the Sidama, the Bale, the Gafat, the Hadiya, the Gurage, the Damot and many other peoples. Their impact particularly upon the Amhara religion, language, culture, politics and history was immense. The Oromo outnumber every ethnic group. The Amhara are next to the Oromo in number. Nevertheless, almost every Amhara has some Oromo lineage way down her or his genealogy. In Gojam, a person without an Oromo lineage is considered to be not a “real” Gojame. This holds true even for the Gojame nobles. Dejazmach Tulu, the governor of Damot around 1700, who was married to Woizero Welete Selassie, one of the daughters of Atse Iyasu I, was an Oromo, Dejazmach weld Abib, who was appointed as the governor of Gojam in 1745 during the reign of Atse Eyasu II, was another Oromo. His son, Dejazmach Yosedek, married Princess Welete Israel, the daughter of Etege Mentewab and Grazmach Iyasu. She mothered Ras Hailu and Ras Goshu, the two prominent rulers of Gojam. The Oromo rulers of Gojam claimed Abyssinian royal blood lineage through her.''

[Typhoon]

Waachis the isaaq arab claim is chinees made, its recent and has no historical reference.
its only the coming of the colonialist the isaaq decided to claim arab ahlu bait as to debase darood claim,
historically among the muslims, somalis and oromos certain sections claimed arabian linage which is religious based and equivalent to european divine right of kings.

whats amazes me the most among the somalis is that darood never excepted habash claims and always show the oromos close kingship.
the ogaden war was never about the ogaden region otherwise siyaad barre would have stopped at diridawa.
the darood migration changed somali centre of power from harar and zaylac to southern somalia.

i would not be suprissed if kismayo becomes the harar of the cushitic muslims.

our elders always kept in touch and we always view the oromos and afar diffrent from the world.
somalis and afar= djoubuti=Peace and coexistence
oromos and somalis= peace and inter marriage (that is what the tigrey and abdi ilay want to destroy, the brotherly bond and create a modern animosity that will be inherited by future generations)

a oromo among somalis is like english man among americans and a somali man among oromos is like a english man among americans....integration goes very Smoot.

Mohammed Abduba Dida is oromo but talks somali and most somalis have no clue.

[Waachis]

THE ORIGINS OF THE GALLA AND SOMALI TEIBES.
By Juxon Barton, m.a.
The origin, language, customs, characteristics, and habits of the
Galla and the Somali present so many points of similarity that an
attempt to give a historical account of the origins of one necessitates
some detail of the other.
The Galla, probably one of the most ancient of races now existing, may be regarded as the parent of the Somali tribe, and as such first
come under consideration.
The Galla". .
" On taking a general survey of the racial history of Africa," says
Dr. Haddon, " it is manifest that the critical area is the North-Eastern region which abuts on Southern Arabia," geologically but a short
time has elapsed since Africa and Asia were joined, paleolithic implements similar to those found in the Congo have been found in Somaliiand, and in short, there are good grounds for the belief that the principal races of Africa crossed from Southern Asia.
The Galla, or as they call themselves Oromo (the sons of men),
have had various origins ascribed to them, and the word " Galla " is that used of them by the Abyssinians and Arabs. Dr. Ludwig Krapf states that this word means "to go home," and Miss A.
Wernher has recently suggested the Galla words of farewell Agum ngalla corroborates this statement. The Abyssinians however derive the Galla from an Abyssinian lady of rank who was given in marriage
to a slave from Gurague to whom she bore seven sons who became dreaded robbers and the founders of tribes inhabiting the country about the river Galla whence they took their name. Moslem tradition has it that Galla are Meccan Arabs who settled on the East Coast of Africa during the Wakt-el-Jahiliveh, or Time of Ignorance, and that their name is derived from the reply of Ullabu, their Chief, to the summons of the Phophet calling on the tribe to accept Al-Islam, the
messenger returning stated " He said ' No ' " (Gha la) — an example of the Moslem love of philological analogy.
It is interesting, however, to note the similarity between the
Galla word for both God and Sky, Wak, and the idol Wak of the
pre-islamic pantheon at Mecca, of which the Kaaba alone survives; and again the Galla legend of a Kitab or Holy Book, to the loss of which they ascribe the fallen fortunes of their race. The Galla themselves aver that in the beginning of their history they crossed a great sea or lake, the Bed Sea. A story of kingship and a coronation
feast is told, and women, as in the early history of Arabia, have held princely rank.
Probably those Galla whose southward route lay near the East
Coast of Africa and who are now found along the Tana Eiver and in the neighborhood of Witu are correctly described by Dr. Krapf as "more primitive " than those of Abyssinia whom he met during his activities there between 1838 and 1842, in that they are the relics of the early migrants and had little contact with the races of Abyssinia.
Incidentally Dr. Krapf, himself a German, described the Galla as the
'- Germans of Africa."
A theory as to the origin of the Equatorial Galla is advanced in
the unsigned article " Gallas " in the Encyclopaedia Brittanica, which
states :
" The home of the Southern Galla was possibly in a district
East of Victoria Nyanza, for the tribes near Mount Kenya are
stated to go on a periodical pilgrimage to the mountain, making
offerings as to their mother."
The chain of causation is. obscure.

[Waachis]

Waachis the isaaq arab claim is chinees made, its recent and has no historical reference.
its only the coming of the colonialist the isaaq decided to claim arab ahlu bait as to debase darood claim,
historically among the muslims, somalis and oromos certain sections claimed arabian linage which is religious based and equivalent to european divine right of kings.

whats amazes me the most among the somalis is that darood never excepted habash claims and always show the oromos close kingship.
the ogaden war was never about the ogaden region otherwise siyaad barre would have stopped at diridawa.
the darood migration changed somali centre of power from harar and zaylac to southern somalia.

i would not be suprissed if kismayo becomes the harar of the cushitic muslims.

our elders always kept in touch and we always view the oromos and afar diffrent from the world.
somalis and afar= djoubuti=Peace and coexistence
oromos and somalis= peace and inter marriage (that is what the tigrey and abdi ilay want to destroy, the brotherly bond and create a modern animosity that will be inherited by future generations)

a oromo among somalis is like english man among americans and a somali man among oromos is like a english man among americans....integration goes very Smoot.

Mohammed Abduba Dida is oromo but talks somali and most somalis have no clue.

I agree bro. u may know this about me, but my father and his brothers lived in mogadishu in the golden days (1978-1981)
and they spoke the somali language fluently; my father was also fluent in amharic, ki swahili, arabic, etc.
he said he learned the somali language very quickly, and we oromos also have a saying ''if u put a somali in an oromo village, in a month, he'll be speaking afaan oromo'' (LOL)
that's why I am still here, even if i get a lot of negative comments from somalis, such as canuck, and others.
because i know great somali ppl in REAL LIFE, forget the internet.
darood border us/ogaden border us, so we are close, regardless of border issues.
the ogaden and oromo have been interacting for over 400 years.
long before abdi'tigray illey and tplf were even thought of.





^LOOK at these brave OROMOS saying to liyyu slaves: go away! there are no borders between us and somalis, we are one! we don't fear your weapons!!!

[Khalid Ali]

When sheikh isxaaq bin axmed al ridawi arrived from Yemen the sheik arrived in mait where he established his seat. This was in the 12 century. Another sheikh was with him yusuf alkaynun yusuf al baqdadi. He is buired in aw barkhadle near hargeysa. His daugter gave birth to daud garxajis the ciidagalle. Yusuf al baqdadi build the walashma kingdom in zeila. Sheikh isxaaq was traveling from maith and to hargeysa. Sheikh isxaaq has also Yemeni who live in sancaa we know them. Sheikh isxaaq married the daughter of the negus she was habasha from northern Ethiopia I don't know if she was amhara or tigray. Reer sheikh isxaaq are from samara najaf and kufa. We have sheikh isxaaq manuscripts written over 800 years ago. We have sharif gherbaani a morrocon scholar who wrote about sheikh isxaaq

Darod are midgaan alkhadam ground sweepers of Yemen who used to be mahras slaves habashis left in Yemen during the axumite conquest of Arabia.
Darod ismaciil jabarti jabarti alkhadam ibn zinji al cabiid ibn Aswad ibn khanzeer are gypsy they are related to the jabarti gypzies who are now slaves of hamasin akele guzay and sareyaa clans of Eritrea highland.

[AwRastaale]

I don’t believe that Oromo neither Somalis have any Arab roots. This is a misunderstood identification similar to the Amhara and Solomonic claim.

What I mean by this is it’s similar to the Amhara identity. Anyone who was a Christian was automatically identified as an Amhara in old Abyssinia even if he was an Agew, Gurage or Oromo.

So in that context Arab was an Islamic identity and nothing to do with ancestry.

Muslims were identified as Arabs and later as “Mohammadens”.

That’s all it is.


Ras, natural anthropologist

[Waachis]

I don’t believe that Oromo neither Somalis have any Arab roots. This is a misunderstood identification similar to the Amhara and Solomonic claim.

What I mean by this is it’s similar to the Amhara identity. Anyone who was a Christian was automatically identified as an Amhara in old Abyssinia even if he was an Agew, Gurage or Oromo.

So in that context Arab was an Islamic identity and nothing to do with ancestry.

Muslims were identified as Arabs and later as “Mohammadens”.

That’s all it is.


Ras, natural anthropologist

That's very much possible sir

[AwRastaale]

No doubt Oromo, Somali, Afar, Agew, Konso, Woleita, Sidama, Saho, and Beja are indigenous people of Africa. Their original home is most likely Upper Egypt, eastern Sudan and parts of Eritrea before some of them began to migrate south and eastwards along the Red Sea.

One of the early migrates were no doubt the Oromo and the Agew who settled in northern Ethiopia.

Here some of them established states and some sort of kingdoms trying to extort power over others.

No doubt Somalis were most likely pushed out at some point during this struggle. Somalis thus formed their own homesteads in what’s now Afar and parts of Djibouti before again some of them began migrating south to Zeila and what is Berbera now.

Meanwhile Oromo expanded south and discovered the most prime real estate, land so rich and dense.

Mind you Somali area was no desert either and they began to domesticate camels.

Meanwhile the Afar sat between Saho and the Somalis.

Somalis only began to expand rapidly with the arrival of Islam to the coast of East Africa discovering new lands, trade routes, technology of the time and markets.

They pushed the Oromo, meanwhile Afar pushed the Somalis, the Agews pushed the Beja, Saho and the Oromo out becoming the most powerful Cushitics and the most organised.

The rest is easy to add.


No way in hell did 6 Arabs banged all the maleless black females of the Horn to found existing ethnics of today. Makes no sense.

It’s like saying Captain Cook banged one Aboriginal woman and he found an entir ethnic hahahahahaha.

[Adali]

Somalis know their genealogy quite well, are Oromo the same ? being an expert in genealogy like being a xaafid in the quraan is a very esteemed position according to our tradition.

My genealogy goes up 30 generations in what would be considered Somali, further up it is Arabic and goes into Hadra Yemeni and further up it goes back Hejaz to Mecca to the prohpets family companion and causin Aqeel Talib, Marehan it self is an Old Quraysh name, and so is Sade.

[Waachis]

Somalis know their genealogy quite well, are Oromo the same ? being an expert in genealogy like being a xaafid in the quraan is a very esteemed position according to our tradition.

My genealogy goes up 30 generations in what would be considered Somali, further up it is Arabic and goes into Hadra Yemeni and further up it goes back Hejaz to Mecca to the prohpets family companion and causin Aqeel Talib, Marehan it self is an Old Quraysh name, and so is Sade.

What about this? are u ashamed of being our sons?

The origin, language, customs, characteristics, and habits of the
Galla and the Somali present so many points of similarity that an
attempt to give a historical account of the origins of one necessitates
some detail of the other.
The Galla, probably one of the most ancient of races now existing, may be regarded as the parent of the Somali tribe, and as such first
come under consideration.''

[AbdiCushite]

Yes we know our genealogy quite well and we know yours too boonyahow you are closely related to Waachis boon Marehan you are boni oromo Hunter gatherer originally and you got raped and absorbed by Savage doofar

[Waachis]

Yes we know our genealogy quite well and we know yours too boonyahow you are closely related to Waachis boon Marehan you are boni oromo Hunter gatherer originally and you got raped and absorbed by Savage doofar

if we oromos are ur fathers, so what? what's the big deal?
nothing to be ashamed of. none of us had any say in regards to what ethnicity Allah said we'd be born to.
when we're all in our graves, trust, we won't have the luxury to care, or think about, what ethnicity or clan we belong to.


!!!!!!!

[Adali]

Somalis know their genealogy quite well, are Oromo the same ? being an expert in genealogy like being a xaafid in the quraan is a very esteemed position according to our tradition.

My genealogy goes up 30 generations in what would be considered Somali, further up it is Arabic and goes into Hadra Yemeni and further up it goes back Hejaz to Mecca to the prohpets family companion and causin Aqeel Talib, Marehan it self is an Old Quraysh name, and so is Sade.

What about this? are u ashamed of being our sons?

The origin, language, customs, characteristics, and habits of the
Galla and the Somali present so many points of similarity that an
attempt to give a historical account of the origins of one necessitates
some detail of the other.
The Galla, probably one of the most ancient of races now existing, may be regarded as the parent of the Somali tribe, and as such first
come under consideration.''

The somali identity is douplicit, one follows strictly the genealogy, while the other follows the culture, tradition, language and customs which may be traced back to ancient Egyptians.

Why would Somali be descendants of Oromo, we have no genealogy with Oromo, our language is different, and why would you assume we are your descendants and not the other way around, it is more likely Oromo are descendants from Somalis, and these Oromized Somalis formed kingdoms and established rebellion against the Abyssinian.

[Adali]

Yes we know our genealogy quite well and we know yours too boonyahow you are closely related to Waachis boon Marehan you are boni oromo Hunter gatherer originally and you got raped and absorbed by Savage doofar

if we oromos are ur fathers, so what? what's the big deal?
nothing to be ashamed of. none of us had any say in regards to what ethnicity Allah said we'd be born to.
when we're all in our graves, trust, we won't have the luxury to care, or think about, what ethnicity or clan we belong to.


!!!!!!!

ignore the habasha scum, there are many of them on Snet.

[Waachis]

How come no historian ever said Somalis are more ancient or even ancient as oromo
How come no historians ever suggested that the oromo May have descended from the Somalis.
It's just a theory that's very much possible.


Another one is.. Oromo and Somali were one, before Islam and Christianity came, and while the Somalis embraced Islam in large numbers away from their traditional religion of worshiping waq.....the oromo largely stuck to their traditional religion and that's when the oromo Somali split occurred..