Oromos were divided just like Somalis-take a peak

[St8OuttaDirree]

Wachi, do Afars even know an Oromo clan called Jimma, Jumbo or whatever exist? I didn't know, nor cared much for your clan's name until you showed up here. You have more in common with the naked Nilotes than Afars, who don't even know about your existence. Ciise and Afars are inextricably tied together as we are neighbors and will coexist and sort our differences without you budging in affairs that do not concern you. Go and make relationship with the Dinkas and SNNP.

I am not sure why certain people here twerk for one individual to like their clan. As if OP has any power to change the course of Horn's history from the comfort of his American house, lol.

The Jimma Oromos don’t look Nilotic at all. They’re fair skinned and light most the time.

The man below is from Jimma and the same clan as Waacis.

[St8OuttaDirree]

DP

[Waachis]

Jabutawi,

As an issa, you're obviously going to side with your tribe. I get it. But, it doesn't make it right.
Get mad all you want, call me every insult imaginable, but, it doesn't make it right. If another ethnicity were stealing issa land, you'd be beyond angry.
We just wanna see everyone living in peace. Afar didn't do anything to deserve that stealing of their lands. The same way I don't support tigray claiming Eritrean land, my people don't border Eritrea, but I try to always stand for justice.

[Jabuutawi]

Jabutawi,

As an issa, you're obviously going to side with your tribe. I get it. But, it doesn't make it right.
Get mad all you want, call me every insult imaginable, but, it doesn't make it right. If another ethnicity were stealing issa land, you'd be beyond angry.
We just wanna see everyone living in peace. Afar didn't do anything to deserve that stealing of their lands. The same way I don't support tigray claiming Eritrean land, my people don't border Eritrea, but I try to always stand for justice.

What insult? I merely pointed out some facts. There is nothing nefarious about my statement of working with your neighbors. Your neighbors happen to be Dinka-like.

Do you even know what the dispute with Afars stems from? The land belonged to us. This goes back to 300 to 500 years ago; the aftermath of Adal/Abyssinian wars. We lived beyond Awash River. It is only after Oromo hybrids like Minilik and Selaisse came along and pushed us out and handed the area to the Afars. Afars played an integral part in Selaisse and Derg Regime’s army — fact. They used Ethiopian tanks in 1991 invasion of Djibouti and indiscriminately killed civilians. Alx we were the victors. Had we gone ham on them, we could have cleansed them from Djibouti Rep. and Administrative zones 3 & 4 in Ethiopia.

[Waachis]

The maccaa border more than just nilotic and omotic people. We also border other cushitic and Semitic people. Don't forget my clan is about 12 million strong. We're not confined to a small amount of land. It stretches from near Sudan to southern Ethiopia back up to the blue nile.
So we border all kinds of people and our origin is in the Bale area, walabu.

I'd like for you to prove the afar took your land before I believe you. What proof do you have.
Because afar always had the smallest land and had to defend it against Somali, amhara and oromo and tigray, I kinda feel bad for them..
And BTW afar are called adal, they were apart of it too, they fought the Abyssinians alongside Somalis plenty of times...
It is true that afar derg militias helped afar in Djibouti but they were using guerrilla tactics they didn't have tanks.... They never had as much outside help as the issa who had tplf, eplf and France, Eritrea blocked the sea coast so the afar couldn't get weapons. The afar captured 67 percent of their land in the first few months of that civil war too. They are tough when they are united and in their lands fighting. Liyyu even tried to raid them and apparently came back with heavy loses and regret. Abdi probably cried lol.

[Jabuutawi]

I don’t need to bring evidence to a keyboard warrior. My oral history through poetry, which never fails me, is ample evidence. The disputed land belonged to us until about your hybrid grand-uncles came into the picture.

Afars on tanks crossing the border is indisputable. Another lie of you: we got help from the outside world. We were blind-sided by the invasion, but quickly regrouped and gained the upper hand. We did all the fighting and dying.

This was blessing for us as we became lax after independence. Today no one can stop us from planting our flag anywhere in Afar Zones but international intervention.

Btw, Ciise (sub, sub clan of an ethnic group) was fighting Derg soldiers of a whole ethnic group — fact.

[Waachis]

In other words, you have no evidence.
Otherwise, bring it forth. What poem says those lands up to the awash are Somalis lands.
Ethiopia conquered lands the same way everyone else did, including Somalis, especially.
If the afar had a state with a military like the issa, it'd be a fair fight, and I very much doubt issa would win. You needed France, eplf, and tplf help last time to win. The afar didn't have tanks stop lying or prove it. They were up against a state with an army while all they had were their own people, some of which were former derg soldiers and militia members. And u weren't fighting even half the entire afar nation so don't exaggerate. Issa had the Djibouti state and French support and Ethiopian and Eritrean support Vs a few thousand afar some of what were former soldiers and militia members. Doesn't seem fair to me.

[Jabuutawi]

You sure talk from your ass, don't you.

Afar rebels and Derg remnants used the FRUD acronym to destabilize Djibouti. Here is an excerpt of an article of Eritrea's involvement. How could they then possibly help Djibouti. TPLF was in its infancy and trying to corral all Oromos in a pen at the time. They had no time to assist anyone else. Even the warlords from that hell hole called Somalia sided with the Afars. Aren't karma a bitch. While we are headed on an upward trajectory, they are killing each other in Somalia and Afwerki is isolated, in fact, he is now facing his own Afar problem.

FRUD may have obtained weapons from sympathizers in Eritrea or from the warlords in Somalia. During the war, Djiboiuti accused Eritrea of assisting the rebels and of spreading terrorism in the region.[4]

Another quote of Afar-Ethiopian politicians siding with their comrades in the war:

Their demand was apparently supported by pro—Ethiopian Afar politicians whose positions had declined relative to Gouled and other political leaders

We historically had the upper hand over the Afars, Noole and Karrayyu Oromos when it came to warfare. We still live in the same neighborhood Ifat and Adal Empires ruled. That should tell you something about our ferocity on the battle field.

[Waachis]

read for yourself.
the issa got political and military support from France.
weapons and marine fighting boats even came from Iraq too.
both Eritrea and TPLF worked with the issa too because of common political interests which is Keeping the Afar weak, keep in mind that many afar always opposed Eritrean independence because it meant more splitting of their land and people. all the afar had was their own people who poured in from all over afar lands.

https://books.google.com/books?id=fZiSx ... ar&f=false

Karrayu oromo lost most of their men due to war with the heavily armed Abyssinian's to the north(who always raided the awash area) for the record but the other oromo clans held their own such as the arsi who held off Menelik for over 6 years with no guns.

[AwRastaale]

Waachis

Where did you get the idea that Afar is closer to Oromo than Somalis and Oromo has right to play high moral justice?

Let me tell you the truth. Oromo are unable to obtain their own justice let alone fight for Afar case.

Secondly Afar are much closer to Somalis culturally, linguistically and socially not to mention economically.

Not sure on what grounds you feel the right to stick your nose on issues beyond not only your Welega jungles but your understanding.

Afar and Issa are mother and son. They are neighbors. They are best friends yet fierce rivals. Afar are not treated any different than when Somali tribes feud.

What Wellega natives do with their Nilotic cousins isn’t our issues just as Afar and Somali shouldn’t be yours.


The Ras

[zidane88]

Back in the day, Bursug were Arab(Isaaq), Noole H-Awal, and now Oromo are claiming them.

We were never H-Awal. The Barsuukh are definitely Somali.

Oromos claim Nooles because we are Oromo.

The Barsuukh slowly assimilated and became Oromo, just like the Akichuu assimilated and became Somali.

I knew a lot of Noole (habar awal) families in Diri-dawa then, now, they are claiming of being Oromo. It is very confusing.

[St8OuttaDirree]

Back in the day, Bursug were Arab(Isaaq), Noole H-Awal, and now Oromo are claiming them.

We were never H-Awal. The Barsuukh are definitely Somali.

Oromos claim Nooles because we are Oromo.

The Barsuukh slowly assimilated and became Oromo, just like the Akichuu assimilated and became Somali.

I knew a lot of Noole (habar awal) families in Diri-dawa then, now, they are claiming of being Oromo. It is very confusing.

There is no subclan amongst Noole that traces to HA.

The people you may have known were probably a mix of Noole and Habar Awal.

This is the Noole clan families below.

Noole
*Haleele Noole

*Mucaa Noole
Warra Abbayi
Warra Babbu
Warra Guyyee

*Oromo Noole
Warra Bukee
Warra Eegu
Warra Jidda
Warra Maaru
Warra Naya’a
Warra Wacalle

*Abuu Noole
Warra Jarte
Warra Dhanqa
Warra Usmaan
Warra Omaar
Warra Mahammad
Warra Garrir
Warra Gatu

[Waachis]

Waachis

Where did you get the idea that Afar is closer to Oromo than Somalis and Oromo has right to play high moral justice?

Let me tell you the truth. Oromo are unable to obtain their own justice let alone fight for Afar case.

Secondly Afar are much closer to Somalis culturally, linguistically and socially not to mention economically.

Not sure on what grounds you feel the right to stick your nose on issues beyond not only your Welega jungles but your understanding.

Afar and Issa are mother and son. They are neighbors. They are best friends yet fierce rivals. Afar are not treated any different than when Somali tribes feud.

What Wellega natives do with their Nilotic cousins isn’t our issues just as Afar and Somali shouldn’t be yours.


The Ras

Amhara bootlicker,

When did I say oromo were closer to afar than Somalis.
Just because I speak the truth about the illegal issa expansion into afar lands, doesn't mean that I am saying we're closer to afar than others.
Just means we sympathize with the oppressed people's of the Horn.
While issa are tplf stooges and slaves, afar and oromo ain't for the most part.
The same way berbera port gave Ethiopia 19 percent for nothing. Probably an extortion payment since Ethiopia has all Somalis reporting to them and paying homage.
And the maccaa clan alone is bigger than isaac and issa combined. We don't just live in wallaga you idiot. Not too long ago you were pandering to us oromo, don't forget, without us, you won't have an Ethiopian state to do business in or with, so respect the backbone of the country who makes e every somali leader visit and pay homage to it...
And best friends don't fight huge Civil Wars against each other nor do they consider each other as traditional enemies. Not do they blatantly and openly illegally steal their best friends land. Once again, you're exaggerating and lying, two of your best skills, apparently, 2nd to kissing amhara ass and using their titles, instead of Somali titles.

Sincerely,
Abba Maccaa.

[Havoc]

Waachis

Where did you get the idea that Afar is closer to Oromo than Somalis and Oromo has right to play high moral justice?

Let me tell you the truth. Oromo are unable to obtain their own justice let alone fight for Afar case.

Secondly Afar are much closer to Somalis culturally, linguistically and socially not to mention economically.

Not sure on what grounds you feel the right to stick your nose on issues beyond not only your Welega jungles but your understanding.

Afar and Issa are mother and son. They are neighbors. They are best friends yet fierce rivals. Afar are not treated any different than when Somali tribes feud.

What Wellega natives do with their Nilotic cousins isn’t our issues just as Afar and Somali shouldn’t be yours.


The Ras

Amhara bootlicker,

When did I say oromo were closer to afar than Somalis.
Just because I speak the truth about the illegal issa expansion into afar lands, doesn't mean that I am saying we're closer to afar than others.
Just means we sympathize with the oppressed people's of the Horn.
While issa are tplf stooges and slaves, afar and oromo ain't for the most part.
The same way berbera port gave Ethiopia 19 percent for nothing. Probably an extortion payment since Ethiopia has all Somalis reporting to them and paying homage.
And the maccaa clan alone is bigger than isaac and issa combined. We don't just live in wallaga you idiot. Not too long ago you were pandering to us oromo, don't forget, without us, you won't have an Ethiopian state to do business in or with, so respect the backbone of the country who makes e every somali leader visit and pay homage to it...
And best friends don't fight huge Civil Wars against each other nor do they consider each other as traditional enemies. Not do they blatantly and openly illegally steal their best friends land. Once again, you're exaggerating and lying, two of your best skills, apparently, 2nd to kissing amhara ass and using their titles, instead of Somali titles.

Sincerely,
Abba Maccaa.

Let's talk about your bloody people expanding in to our lands. When I see your people, I see an enemy. Stay in your f-king lands.

[Waachis]

Waachis

Where did you get the idea that Afar is closer to Oromo than Somalis and Oromo has right to play high moral justice?

Let me tell you the truth. Oromo are unable to obtain their own justice let alone fight for Afar case.

Secondly Afar are much closer to Somalis culturally, linguistically and socially not to mention economically.

Not sure on what grounds you feel the right to stick your nose on issues beyond not only your Welega jungles but your understanding.

Afar and Issa are mother and son. They are neighbors. They are best friends yet fierce rivals. Afar are not treated any different than when Somali tribes feud.

What Wellega natives do with their Nilotic cousins isn’t our issues just as Afar and Somali shouldn’t be yours.


The Ras

Amhara bootlicker,

When did I say oromo were closer to afar than Somalis.
Just because I speak the truth about the illegal issa expansion into afar lands, doesn't mean that I am saying we're closer to afar than others.
Just means we sympathize with the oppressed people's of the Horn.
While issa are tplf stooges and slaves, afar and oromo ain't for the most part.
The same way berbera port gave Ethiopia 19 percent for nothing. Probably an extortion payment since Ethiopia has all Somalis reporting to them and paying homage.
And the maccaa clan alone is bigger than isaac and issa combined. We don't just live in wallaga you idiot. Not too long ago you were pandering to us oromo, don't forget, without us, you won't have an Ethiopian state to do business in or with, so respect the backbone of the country who makes e every somali leader visit and pay homage to it...
And best friends don't fight huge Civil Wars against each other nor do they consider each other as traditional enemies. Not do they blatantly and openly illegally steal their best friends land. Once again, you're exaggerating and lying, two of your best skills, apparently, 2nd to kissing amhara ass and using their titles, instead of Somali titles.

Sincerely,
Abba Maccaa.

Let's talk about your bloody people expanding in to our lands. When I see your people, I see an enemy. Stay in your f-king lands.

Okay, what land did we take from Somalis and how did we take it?
Tplf has been supporting Somalis against us and against afar as part of their divide and conquer tactics,... so this is hard to believe?