Axmed Guray - What do you know about him?

[CabdiAlle]

I know that there's no doubt that Imam Ahmed Guray, was from a well-known and most respected clan of all Somali's THE Marehan Clan. His progenies are alive today in Jubaland.

Many scholars talked about Imam Ahmed Guray I'd name of few of em and what they have said about him and his ethnicity.
(1)Edmond Joseph Keller, Chatterji, Beckingham: Ahmad ibn Ibrahim al Ghazi, called 'the left-handed' by the Somali,(gran in Amharic), was a Somali Marahn in the service of the ruler of Zeila.
(4)Groves: The leader was a Somali chief of Marehan, Ahmad ibn Muhammad Gran, Muslim ruler of a border state, who with great energy and resource pressed home the invasion of Abyssinia.
(5)Whiteway: He was certainly not an Arab: probably he was a Somali Marehan, for we find him closely connected with many who were Somalis.
(6)Langer: Ethiopia was overrun by the Moslem Somali chief, Ahmed Gran, who used firearms
(7) Alexander Bulatovich: "In Portuguese sources he is called King of Adal and Emir of Zeila, and they conjecture that he was Somali" Marehan -- Through Russian Eyes: Country in Transition, 1896-1898
(8) In 1541, when a four-hundred- man Portuguese expedition arrived in Abyssinia, a Somali Moslem leader — Iman Ahmed, known as Gran — was threatening to extinguish the kingdom.
(9) Elaine Sanceau: Imam Ahmed, once an obscure Somali warrior from Harar had risen to supremacy among the muslim tribes. He was Marehan clan.
(10)Andargachew Tiruneh: Harar, led by Gragn who was probably a Somali Marehan, overran the length and breadth of the central and northern Highlands from 1529 to 1543
(11)Saheed A. Adejumobi: Ahmed ibn Ibrahim al Ghazi was a Somali Imam and general who defeated several Ethiopian emperors and wreaked much damage on that nation. He is also known as Ahmad Gran (or Gurey), he hailed from Marehan clan.
(12)M. Th. Houtsma: Shortly afterwards there began the great invasion of the Somali chief, Ahmed b. Muhammed Gran.

[ramzy2277]

why these sons of xirabo ben guibta ben theodoros ben adam always avoid the original book.

39 pages and not a single citation from the original book.

the question is ,how come the people who claim the islamic jihad against xabasha are the same people who brought gaalo/socialism into muslim country.

it doesnt make sense .

the history you trying to claim and your reality are at total contrast.

[JamalAddow]

What a great thread. In the end, boons fled, like they always do, as soon as they were confronted with sources. They will go into hiding now and come back in a few weeks, rinse and repeat

- Xiraabu Goita Theodorous was described in the book as a vile character, I believe the book used phrases such as "fond of intrigue and procrastination", "extremely wily", "double-dealing" and "swindler".

- Xiraabu and his people were the only group to not answer the Imam's call, the Imam had to personally arrange a group of his soldiers and go to threaten Xiraabu and his people. Xiraabu made excuses, one of which was his "poverty-stricken state", at which point the Imam cursed him.

- Bon Marehan were described in the book as "lagging" and "wavering".

- Xiraabu killed a boy squire, which enraged the Imam who chased him at which point Xiraabu Goita Theodorous fled his country and went deep into Hawiye country for refuge.

- Bon Marehan were described in the book as "people of the bow" i.e. archers, like the Midgans.

Do you dispute any of this?

Not a single one of them disputed any of the above. This is what happens when you know you've been had. They also failed to provide a single source for 38 pages straight, they were aware they were lying all along. Absolutely no shame.

Kacaan revisionism is dead, you are boon marehan, embrace your heritage

There's no denying in what you quoted. Or the fact Marehan could've been recent converts with assimilated Bons. But you can't deny Nur ibn Mujahid's father being Marehan (read the part about Mujahid) and that Marehan had a lionshare in the Jihad, more than all other clans and that Marehan ruler was the 'leader' of the Somalis whenever Somalis were joined together in a battle. I'm also not gonna deny the importance Habr Maqadle played as I've read the book from cover to cover. Also Harti, Geri Koombe, Harla and other clans played roles.

[ZubeirAwal]

Ilma goita teodorus are lost for words, and are in denial. Sources have been provided, evidence has been provided, Ahmad Gurey was from Berbera and from the Habar Maj/gaadley clan, habar magaadle are today Arap, Ayub, Abdulraxman awal and Garjaxis Sheekh isxaaaq.

[Adali]

Ilma goita teodorus are lost for words, and are in denial. Sources have been provided, evidence has been provided, Ahmad Gurey was from Berbera and from the Habar Maj/gaadley clan, habar magaadle are today Arap, Ayub, Abdulraxman awal and Garjaxis Sheekh isxaaaq.

But you say Habar Magaadle, which clan ? was he Garhajis or Sacad muse, you need to be specific, Marehan descendants of Garad Hiraabu still live today, there are many Somali clans with a Chief line that goes up to or at least comes close to the Adal era, however this Habar Magaadle you are talking about does not have a chief line that goes up to Adal nor are they are known descendants of Ahmed Gurey among you lot.

[Typhoon]

there is alot of clans with habar magadle name

habar magdle doesnt mean isaaq

ever clan got bah/habar like bah hawiye, habar majerteen, bah abgaal, habar marehan or bah ogadeen
isaaq dont even use habar magadle, just like harti doesnt use koombe kablalax or ogadeen doesnt use kumade
I believe habar magadle is a a hawiye clan especially abgaal or karanle
magadle is a dir clan , so habar magadle can be from any somali clan.
how can you have isaaq habar magadle and not have habar xabusheed mentioned.

isaaq provide us with direct linages that connect with those historical figures like we marexaan did, otherwise you guys are talking shit

[Adali]

there is alot of clans with habar magadle name

habar magdle doesnt mean isaaq

ever clan got bah/habar like bah hawiye, habar majerteen, bah abgaal, habar marehan or bah ogadeen
isaaq dont even use habar magadle, just like harti doesnt use koombe kablalax or ogadeen doesnt use kumade
I believe habar magadle is a a hawiye clan especially abgaal or karanle
magadle is a dir clan , so habar magadle can be from any somali clan.
how can you have isaaq habar magadle and not have habar xabusheed mentioned.

isaaq provide us with direct linages that connect with those historical figures like we marexaan did, otherwise you guys are talking shit

have not seen any Somali clan use habar magaadle or claim habar magaadle is from there clan except the isaac, so I give them the benefit of doubt.

what I am more interested in is their chief line, they have no Isaac chief who has chief line going back to the Adal time.

What is also fascinating is that Isaac do not have a dynasty prior to Adal, when we know Adal was a birth of the former Walashama dynasty, in my marehan oral history we have a king from an older dynasty than Adal.

[Typhoon]

there is alot of clans with habar magadle name

habar magdle doesnt mean isaaq

ever clan got bah/habar like bah hawiye, habar majerteen, bah abgaal, habar marehan or bah ogadeen
isaaq dont even use habar magadle, just like harti doesnt use koombe kablalax or ogadeen doesnt use kumade
I believe habar magadle is a a hawiye clan especially abgaal or karanle
magadle is a dir clan , so habar magadle can be from any somali clan.
how can you have isaaq habar magadle and not have habar xabusheed mentioned.

isaaq provide us with direct linages that connect with those historical figures like we marexaan did, otherwise you guys are talking shit

have not seen any Somali clan use habar magaadle or claim habar magaadle is from there clan except the isaac, so I give them the benefit of doubt.

what I am more interested in is their chief line, they have no Isaac chief who has chief line going back to the Adal time.

adali dee qabiilada ma taqanid, listen to Herr Eaglehawk
when ever you see habar or bah it can mean anybody, ogadeenn have bah magadle so do majority of somali clans except for raxanwayn.
magadle wa dir clan

if the magadle mentioned in futuh al habash isaaq then it means isaaq arab gineology is a recent inventional just like i have been claiming for years.

habar magadle is not isaaq, its just the corroletion of the two is a lacy mens arithmetic
to the isaaq this whole ahmed gurey is alien to them untill we marexaan started the academic debate, they saw habar magadle and thought it must be us.

some oromo clans have ligitime claims because like us they have liniges that corrolate to ours.
some hawiye clans also have some claims like murursade and we marexaan claim those clans
reerka israfill ee murursade wa marexaan and they have some clans that trace to ahmed gurey

[Adali]

there is alot of clans with habar magadle name

habar magdle doesnt mean isaaq

ever clan got bah/habar like bah hawiye, habar majerteen, bah abgaal, habar marehan or bah ogadeen
isaaq dont even use habar magadle, just like harti doesnt use koombe kablalax or ogadeen doesnt use kumade
I believe habar magadle is a a hawiye clan especially abgaal or karanle
magadle is a dir clan , so habar magadle can be from any somali clan.
how can you have isaaq habar magadle and not have habar xabusheed mentioned.

isaaq provide us with direct linages that connect with those historical figures like we marexaan did, otherwise you guys are talking shit

have not seen any Somali clan use habar magaadle or claim habar magaadle is from there clan except the isaac, so I give them the benefit of doubt.

what I am more interested in is their chief line, they have no Isaac chief who has chief line going back to the Adal time.

adali dee qabiilada ma taqanid, listen to Herr Eaglehawk
when ever you see habar or bah it can mean anybody, ogadeenn have bah magadle so do majority of somali clans except for raxanwayn.
magadle wa dir clan

if the magadle mentioned in futuh al habash isaaq then it means isaaq arab gineology is a recent inventional just like i have been claiming for years.

habar magadle is not isaaq, its just the corroletion of the two is a lacy mens arithmetic
to the isaaq this whole ahmed gurey is alien to them untill we marexaan started the academic debate, they saw habar magadle and thought it must be us.

some oromo clans have ligitime claims because like us they have liniges that corrolate to ours.
some hawiye clans also have some claims like murursade and we marexaan claim those clans
reerka israfill ee murursade wa marexaan and they have some clans that trace to ahmed gurey

I believe you must meet basic requirements to even bother with Adal claim.

A. traditional claim being made consistently throughout the centuries, this could be mere, oh we took part in the holy wars, or we are descendants from so and so.
B. Clan chiefs with a royal line that goes up to Adal era, this shows some kind of royal connection to the kings of Adal.
C. some geographical connection to the territory of Adal

But you are on to something Herr Eaglehawk, you are quite right and I will split it into two points.
A. Their claim entirely rest on Name correlation.
B. Habar is used as Bah interchangeably, it does not denotes the paternal line within the lineage, it is something that cast confusion on a persons lineage, for example Bah Ogaden is meaningless, unless you know the exact Bah Ogaden you talking about, in my case Rer Dalal Diini, so the Isaac attaching themselves to Habar Magaadle need to clarify as I have asked them to do so, do they mean Garhajis, Sacad Muse what do they mean.

[Typhoon]

adali

ifat, emirate harar and adal are all absame and sade states

ogdeen and marexaan are so intertwined that its the most confusing for me to separate their history, you know the story of reer cismaan uu guuray dhul uu ogadeen and farah maalim marexaan background

the ogadeens have more history then us but they dont bother to research.


ogadeen and marexaan are history makers thats why after few generations people will discusse onlf and they people will claim onlf was all somalis

ogadeen is the first somali clan that is going to branch off and become a ethnic group that is inline with evolutionary biology.

[Sauron]

what are these two baboons blabbing about? still nothing to disproof what Ben and co posted. two dameers

[Typhoon]

what are these two baboons blabbing about? still nothing to disproof what Ben and co posted. two dameers

Ka bax! did me and adali hit a nerve

I love it when they fear me
Hollar if ya hear me

[ramzy2277]

there is alot of clans with habar magadle name

habar magdle doesnt mean isaaq

ever clan got bah/habar like bah hawiye, habar majerteen, bah abgaal, habar marehan or bah ogadeen
isaaq dont even use habar magadle, just like harti doesnt use koombe kablalax or ogadeen doesnt use kumade
I believe habar magadle is a a hawiye clan especially abgaal or karanle
magadle is a dir clan , so habar magadle can be from any somali clan.
how can you have isaaq habar magadle and not have habar xabusheed mentioned.

isaaq provide us with direct linages that connect with those historical figures like we marexaan did, otherwise you guys are talking shit

have not seen any Somali clan use habar magaadle or claim habar magaadle is from there clan except the isaac, so I give them the benefit of doubt.

what I am more interested in is their chief line, they have no Isaac chief who has chief line going back to the Adal time.

adali dee qabiilada ma taqanid, listen to Herr Eaglehawk
when ever you see habar or bah it can mean anybody, ogadeenn have bah magadle so do majority of somali clans except for raxanwayn.
magadle wa dir clan

if the magadle mentioned in futuh al habash isaaq then it means isaaq arab gineology is a recent inventional just like i have been claiming for years.

habar magadle is not isaaq, its just the corroletion of the two is a lacy mens arithmetic
to the isaaq this whole ahmed gurey is alien to them untill we marexaan started the academic debate, they saw habar magadle and thought it must be us.

some oromo clans have ligitime claims because like us they have liniges that corrolate to ours.
some hawiye clans also have some claims like murursade and we marexaan claim those clans
reerka israfill ee murursade wa marexaan and they have some clans that trace to ahmed gurey

boon,

your logic is weak , if i go by ur logic, then every somali clan who's name is mentioned in futux al xabashi is not real representative of the current somali clans who have the same name, why you apply it to habar magaadle only.

sharif shekh isxaaq ,raximahu ALLAH, married magaado from magaadle dir clan, the name habar magaadle or habar magado goes after her name not after her clan name ,make the distinction yaa boon.

also, if you read the futux al xabasha, habar magaadle, geographical location was mentined in the book and it was near the coast, that only leaves only the sons of sharif shekh isxaaq,raximahu ALLAH in that area with that name.

habar magaadle history in wars against porguese and xabasha is documented before the war of futux al xabasha

during the jihaad announced by shekh fiqi omar aka shekh abaadir, the arabix text that narrates that period ,listed sheekh carab ben shekh isxaaq as taking big role in the jihad and there is another isaaqi leader by the name of xaaji farax samatar nur as prominent leader of the muslim army.



that history is a natural order of events that habar magaadle of the isxaaqiyoon show their loyality and bravery defending islam and taking part in the jihad against xabasha.

the thing i cant understand, in the same book of shekh abadir ,they also mentioned shekh ismacil jabarti and abdulraxman jabarti as living figures who took part in the jihad, first none of their sons were mentioned second based on darood subclans abitiris they out date shekh isxaaq, but their founding father and their grandfather existed along side with the sons of shekh isxaaq.

arithmetically that is not possible, prove yaa boon ur abtiris chronologically .


also we still waiting for your boons here on snet to explain about ur tribe leader xirabu ben guibta ben theodoros ben adam the leader of marexaan the people of the bow.

PS: i learner that you boons also claim shekh fiqi omar ,shekh abadir, isnt that pure definition of laangaabnimo, why u alway stick urself to other people's achievements and family lines.

the other day i saw a glimse of how boon's trick ,this character while trying to fool us that one of barre's siblings was somehow a real army commander in the north, he renamed his real name and injected the american president lincoln name in the middle , abdulaziz lincoln barre. i can now understand how his fathers did the same when they wear hearing about shekh abadir, imam ahmed al gazi and mujahid nur. it runs in the family......

[Adali]

sharif shekh isxaaq ,raximahu ALLAH, married magaado from magaadle dir clan, the name habar magaadle or habar magado goes after her name not after her clan name ,make the distinction yaa boon.

also, if you read the futux al xabasha, habar magaadle, geographical location was mentined in the book and it was near the coast, that only leaves only the sons of sharif shekh isxaaq,raximahu ALLAH in that area with that name.

habar magaadle history in wars against porguese and xabasha is documented before the war of futux al xabasha

during the jihaad announced by shekh fiqi omar aka shekh abaadir, the arabix text that narrates that period ,listed sheekh carab ben shekh isxaaq as taking big role in the jihad and there is another isaaqi leader by the name of xaaji farax samatar nur as prominent leader of the muslim army.

Isaac have a very strong claim, but the weird thing is this claim isn't traditionally held by the Isaac ? where as Mareexaan have a traditionally held claim to both be from the north and be a center role in the Jihaad against Amxaar both during the Adal war and prior to it.

I believe since Mareexaan can produce clan descendants of people like Amir Nur, Imam Ahmed Gurey, Garad Hiraabu, we need to look further into that.

And possibly Ciidagalle could be the possible link missing in regards to Isaac claim to these men, why Ciidagaale, because they have the longest chief line among the Isaac, they are literally the only Isaac capable of competing with Marehan in the claim to Adal, they live in the territory to this day, they are Habar Magaadle, they have extremely similar abtirsi to Marehan subclans, like Rer Adan Mataan, Reer Buraale, Rer Mohamed Daud Abukar in Ciidagale are possible contemporaries to Rer Mohamed Daud Abadir of Marehan.

This is one of the Mareexaan subclans trees notice the similarities, this is one of the most Islamic preaching subclans of Marehan that spread the religion to the Borans.

Cali Maxamed Cali Dheere
Clan tree
Cali Maxamed (Eli Dheere)
Dhaban Cadde
Buraale
...Buraale

Maxamed Buraale
Hiraabay Buraale
Aadan Buraale
.......Maxamed Buraale

Liibaan Fiqi.Axmed
Samatar Fiqi.Axmed
Faarax Fiqi.Axmed (Bah Sacad)
..........Samatar Fiqi.Axmed (Reer Sheikh)

Maxamed Shiikh
Mubaarak Shiikh
Xasan Shiikh
Xaaji Shiikh
Axmed Shiikh
.......Hiraabay Buraale

Reer Muumin
Reer Quule

I would prefer you to bring me one subclan of Isaac that traditionally claims to be descendants of any prominent Adal Mujahid, just one ?

Isaac only claim to be descendant of Sh. Isaac, where as Darood claim to be descendants of Sh. Abdirahman Darood

But the only subclans I am aware of who claim descendants of Adal kings is Marehan subclans and Gedabursi Rer Nur Subclan.

As for being involved in the Jihad, I personally believe alot of somalis were involved. Its undeniable fact that subclans and clans alone cannot fight against Habesha, the entire Somali population today does not exceed 15 million mate.

[Typhoon]

adali, ramzy2277 is stupid dont etertain him

he thinks abdiaziz ali barre middel name is lincoln , something i have invented on this website few days ago, because gener lincoln is the father of iidoor emancipation:lol:

isaaq dont have any liniages that can trace any of those historical figures to current isaaq clan

we gave everybody sheik abadir, emir nuur ahmed gurey garaad hirabu abtirisi and we gave the names of sub clans that decent from them, yet isaaq dont even what habar magadle these figures belong to.

habar magadle is like saying bah ogadeen, bah ogaden can be from any clan, also, other dir clans lived in the north west just like cisse and guudibirsi, akishe.
biyomaal has habar magaadle clan so do alot of daarood clan in galbeed, like gerri and jidwaaq.

the burden of proof is upon the iidoor to show how those figures are linked to current habar magadle clans.
they always use geographic proximity and the similarity of names as definitive indication that habar magaadle must be isaaq.

isaaq is not mentioned nor is any habar magadle clan mentioned.
habar xabusheed is not mentioned.

infact my opinion is that habar magaadle most be other dir clan like the biyomaal, infact biyomaal is warelike clan and have history of conquest like the marexaan, we always have moved similarly.
when we conquered juba valley biyomaal conquered the coast because historically they were coastal people like cisse.

we should do more research on habar magadle biyomaal connection because that clan has fascinating imperial history