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So Oromos have Qabiils just like Somalis. They can't be counted on then to hold on to power. Amhara are definitely going to outmaneuver them by pitting one clan against the other.

Qabiil has been the Somalis only Achilles hill
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balwarama wrote: Thu Apr 12, 2018 10:31 am So Oromos have Qabiils just like Somalis. They can't be counted on then to hold on to power. Amhara are definitely going to outmaneuver them by pitting one clan against the other.

Qabiil has been the Somalis only Achilles hill
Tribalism is not a problem the way it is with Somalis amongst Oromos. Don’t get me wrong, it’s definitely there, but not on the same scale.

Oromo back home are more united at the moment then they’ve ever been. Tribalism, regionalism, religion that are usually used to split us up, have been pushed to the side for tokkumma(unity). And most these things are only seen in the west. They’re a lot better in Ethiopia.
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St8OuttaDirree wrote: Thu Apr 12, 2018 10:18 am Hadiya and Hawiye are completely different. They speak a Cushitic language but very different to Somalis.
They’re very close to the Sidama in Culture and appearance.

Borana being the closest to Somali because they are the purest Oromo. All Oromos lived and looked the same back before we’ve moved from Madda Walabu.

We’ve just managed to mix and assimilate a lot of people, so the culture to some clans have changed, and so has their appearance.

The Karrayyu are like the Boran in Culture, but dress differently. They are the purest Oromo amongst the Bareentuma half.

They don’t mix much with others, and have kept our culture with a little influence from the afar.


nice video mate, its an interesting thing that there are still some oromos who are not strongly influenced by habesha.
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Are Karrayu in Wollo?
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The Borana aren't that close genetically to Somalis, they're more similar to other Oromos and highlanders. Somalis completely lack Omotic and Arabian admixture, whereas all Oromos including the Borana have new Omotic(20 %) and new Arabian admixture(15 %). Same thing with the Oromos in Hararghe. If they're assimilated, then they're probably Sidamo people and not Somali.
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The Oromo need to develop self esteem and a true sense of nationhood by naming their children only Afan Oromo names! I don't like when I see an Oromo with a Habesha name like the foreign minister. Workeneh is a typical Habesha name
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balwarama wrote: Thu Apr 12, 2018 10:49 am Are Karrayu in Wollo?
The Wallo Oromo are a subclan of Karrayyu. They live in eastern Shawa, west Hararge an in the afar region. All in the Awash valley.
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Lion104 wrote: Thu Apr 12, 2018 10:52 am The Borana aren't that close genetically to Somalis, they're more similar to other Oromos and highlanders. Somalis completely lack Omotic and Arabian admixture, whereas all Oromos including the Borana have new Omotic(20 %) and new Arabian admixture(15 %). Same thing with the Oromos in Hararghe. If they're assimilated, then they're probably Sidamo people and not Somali.
We are not Sidama in Hararge. And not all Oromos have Omotic mixture. There hasn’t been that many testing done on all Oromos in order to prove this. I’m planning to take the test, and should prove you wrong.

Those who have mixed omotic mix are usually in the south and western portion of Oromia. Macca clan for one have assimilated a lot of Omotic people. Waachis may have that gene, I for sure won’t.
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Adali wrote: Thu Apr 12, 2018 10:47 am
St8OuttaDirree wrote: Thu Apr 12, 2018 10:18 am Hadiya and Hawiye are completely different. They speak a Cushitic language but very different to Somalis.
They’re very close to the Sidama in Culture and appearance.

Borana being the closest to Somali because they are the purest Oromo. All Oromos lived and looked the same back before we’ve moved from Madda Walabu.

We’ve just managed to mix and assimilate a lot of people, so the culture to some clans have changed, and so has their appearance.

The Karrayyu are like the Boran in Culture, but dress differently. They are the purest Oromo amongst the Bareentuma half.

They don’t mix much with others, and have kept our culture with a little influence from the afar.


nice video mate, its an interesting thing that there are still some oromos who are not strongly influenced by habesha.
It’s only the Wallo, Shawa and some western Oromos that have Habesha influence.

Most of us are not like that.
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St8OuttaDirree wrote: Thu Apr 12, 2018 11:00 am
Lion104 wrote: Thu Apr 12, 2018 10:52 am The Borana aren't that close genetically to Somalis, they're more similar to other Oromos and highlanders. Somalis completely lack Omotic and Arabian admixture, whereas all Oromos including the Borana have new Omotic(20 %) and new Arabian admixture(15 %). Same thing with the Oromos in Hararghe. If they're assimilated, then they're probably Sidamo people and not Somali.
We are not Sidama in Hararge. And not all Oromos have Omotic mixture. There hasn’t been that many testing done on all Oromos in order to prove this. I’m planning to take the test, and should prove you wrong.

Those who have mixed omotic mix are usually in the south and western portion of Oromia. Macca clan for one have assimilated a lot of Omotic people. Waachis may have that gene, I for sure won’t.
So far, all HOAs seem to have a substantial amount of Omotic and Arabian admixture lacking in Somalis. That includes even Eritrean Tigrayan people, who are around ~15-20 % Omotic. I'm not sure about Afar people though.
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Lion104 wrote: Thu Apr 12, 2018 11:07 am
St8OuttaDirree wrote: Thu Apr 12, 2018 11:00 am
Lion104 wrote: Thu Apr 12, 2018 10:52 am The Borana aren't that close genetically to Somalis, they're more similar to other Oromos and highlanders. Somalis completely lack Omotic and Arabian admixture, whereas all Oromos including the Borana have new Omotic(20 %) and new Arabian admixture(15 %). Same thing with the Oromos in Hararghe. If they're assimilated, then they're probably Sidamo people and not Somali.
We are not Sidama in Hararge. And not all Oromos have Omotic mixture. There hasn’t been that many testing done on all Oromos in order to prove this. I’m planning to take the test, and should prove you wrong.

Those who have mixed omotic mix are usually in the south and western portion of Oromia. Macca clan for one have assimilated a lot of Omotic people. Waachis may have that gene, I for sure won’t.
So far, all HOAs seem to have a substantial amount of Omotic and Arabian admixture lacking in Somalis. That includes even Eritrean Tigrayan people, who are around ~15-20 % Omotic. I'm not sure about Afar people though.
Those who have been tested, are small in number. A small percentage of the HOA population that have been tested does not dictate the rest of the populations results.

Most Habesha people are a mix of Agew and Arabians. Others have heavy Oromo mixture from the Macca, Tulama and Wallo clans. Macca assimilated a lot of Omotic people, then those people became Amhara later on. They are all one.

You can’t say all Ethiopians mixed with them. I have no admixture in me, besides a few Somali great grandmas, and a harari one.
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I thought Borana were Somalis..the Kenyan ones speak Somali
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Smile-LiKe-SuN-RiSE wrote: Thu Apr 12, 2018 12:07 pm I thought Borana were Somalis..the Kenyan ones speak Somali
Few speak Somali. The wardeey are pretty much Somali today, but Borana is not. They are Oromo.
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Smile-LiKe-SuN-RiSE wrote: Thu Apr 12, 2018 12:07 pm I thought Borana were Somalis..the Kenyan ones speak Somali
You mean the ones in Isiolo?
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