How did 3 men's offspring populate majority of the Somali land ?

[dalalos101]

No one is attacking your Somali identity for starters, it is you who is attacking Somali people and their identity, by suggesting they are a sub group of other identities and/or share common ancestry with certain groups that to be completely honest are nothing more than splinter groups from the Somali stock that retained its identity in the Horn. I have no problem with you being T and still being 100% Somali like myself, however the problem arises when you start throwing doubt and speculation on the origin of the dominant haplogroup to make yourself feel better. I don't know what to say, do you have Bias against haplogroups now in 2018 ? are we really going there.

Your folly starts when you assume naming convention of language families shows age of language, it doesn't for example Rendiile and Somali language are not equal in age, the Somali language existed long before Rendiile and we know this because these are Reerdiinle I kid you not they are Somali clan that neighbored my clan in Lower Ethiopia but ventured a little too far into Kenya. But according to naming convention we are under the same subgroup, and idiot like you will assume Somali language and identity is just as old as Rendiile LMAO sit down bro, stop insulting the Somali identity and language, any true Somali would go with the premise of Somali identity being at least 5000 years old, others would say 10,000 years old. But according to you Rendille is equal to Somali, Borena is equal to Somali, come on bro, use historical context and common sense Rendille split off from us 200 years ago.

[zumaale]

No one is attacking your Somali identity for starters, it is you who is attacking Somali people and their identity, by suggesting they are a sub group of other identities and/or share common ancestry with certain groups that to be completely honest are nothing more than splinter groups from the Somali stock that retained its identity in the Horn.

Do you have some sort of split personality? In your previous were you not trying to assert that I ain't Somali because of my y-dna? Stick to one narrative and allow the constant shifting of stances. As for Somalis and DNA, you make statements which you cannot back up with scientific evidence yet you accuse me of downplaying Somali people. Weren't you the one who was saying that the Saho etc. splintered from Somalis and I proved to you that such an argument is ignorant because current data on their y-dna does not support your claim that they are an off-shoot of Somalis?

Your folly starts when you assume naming convention of language families shows age of language, it doesn't for example Rendiile and Somali language are not equal in age, the Somali language existed long before Rendiile and we know this because these are Reerdiinle I kid you not they are Somali clan that neighbored my clan in Lower Ethiopia but ventured a little too far into Kenya. But according to naming convention we are under the same subgroup, and idiot like you will assume Somali language and identity is just as old as Rendiile LMAO sit down bro, stop insulting the Somali identity and language, any true Somali would go with the premise of Somali identity being at least 5000 years old, others would say 10,000 years old. But according to you Rendille is equal to Somali, Borena is equal to Somali, come on bro, use historical context and common sense Rendille split off from us 200 years ago.

Where have I discussed the Rendille connection to Somalis? I called you out on your BS in regard to the Saho and Borana in my last thread.

If you want to have a debate that is based on facts, come at me! However, if you are going to pull facts out of thin air and accuse me of 'undermining' Somalis by pointing out how academically and historically unsubstantiated your arguments are, then spare me the BS please. You have not been able to reference one scholar supporting your claim that groups such as the Oromo, Beja, Saho, Afar etc are offshoots from the Somalis, nor do you even have DNA evidence to support such a claim yet here you are calling me 'idiot'.

I have no problem with you being T and still being 100% Somali like myself, however the problem arises when you start throwing doubt and speculation on the origin of the dominant haplogroup to make yourself feel better. I don't know what to say, do you have Bias against haplogroups now in 2018 ? are we really going there.

I am the one with issues just because I have coherently argued that we do not possess enough y-dna evidence to make concrete conclusions about Somali/Horner y-dna E-V32? To settle this matter, can you present any credible evidence to back up the claims you made in your previous posts? Post academic papers/y-full results etc., not Snet FKD diarrhoea.

[whitehartlane]

1. Isaac ibn Ahmed 1400 CE

2. Darood Al jeberti dated earlier than 1400 CE

3. Hawiye relative to the birth date of Darood

We are all from the northern regions. Certain clans have not moved a inch and have stayed on the same plot of land for centuries.

Whilst other sub clans like the MRX and the OGDN have expanded to land thousands of miles from the original land.

They have walked through the harshest terrains and they fought everyone that was in their path. 200 years ago our camels reached deep into Ethiopia, Negeyle where we are living even today , in the mid 1800s MRX and Og was reported to have crossed the Tana river. Colonialism has brought us back to our lands and they have managed to keep us in our region by creating constant conflicts.

Certain clans are responsible for Somalia’s vast terrain and abundance of resources. Whilst others have not played apart in the hunger games. And even are isolting themselves today. Scared to fight for what’s theirs. They rather stay in the same corner and for people to visit them

What total bullshit! We all know it was garxajis that sent the daroods southwards, it wasn't voluntary but by force! foh

Waww qarxajis must have operated Blackhawks to drive harti all the way to jubada hoose and Mareexaan and ogaden even further...drove them 1000s of miles before dleciding " ok this is lush fertile land for them to settle, let's head back to burco boys"..

[dalalos101]

Somalis are a good 80% E-V32, the Borana are 66% and the Tigre are 60%(not shown in the map) the Beja are 30%..

The Somalis are obviously the original and most pure genetically and culturally, Borana and Tigre are clearly two early splinter groups who have been involved in rampant miscegenation, and if you put into historical context you will understand why they are so distinct from Somalis who are their ancestors.

Saho are just distant cousins ancestrally, however they are influenced by our civilization, culture, religion and language and have retained these traits better than even Some E-V32 like Tigre, but the Saho are E-V22 and are not our descendants, the Somali civilization goes far enough back to have been their teachers but not their genetic father, I do not consider them a genetic splinter group but a sub-group without ancient Somali society, it is so obvious, majority of Fulani is E-V22, it does not even make mathematical sense to be their ancestors, but culturally the Saho are indeed children of Somalis while the Fulani aren't as much because they are so far removed from the source which is Somali or E-V32.

E-V32 closest relative is E-12*, they are found almost exclusively in Egypt, this suggest to me that there is a definite relationship between Somali Punt and Ancient Egyptians.

We are not Agew, Arabs, what ever the fuck this T thing is.