Ali Mahdi controls 50 % of Mogadishu in 1993 as chairman of USC and declares a strong Darod cabinet as his government

[dalalos101]

explain why was abdiaziz ali barre still in control of hargeisa, burco and berbera while siyaad was in baydhabo

siyaad fell in january 20 and snm entered hargeisa in late April early may

you have no clue about the genesis of the somali civil war

iska orphan habashi ba tahay go speak to abdiwahab and voltage because they are well versed in those early days

70 percent of the somali civil war is undocumented so your little sources is from arm chair observers

go read old snet threads and you will be suprised how much is unwritten
by the time snm entered northern cities they were already infighting and were infighting and were overwhelmed by maryo calool, thats why snm veterans are drinking wisky in their wheel chairs with a military fatigue jackets just like tom cruise movie born of the 4th of July

Yup, the civil war was a complete shit show, but I think SNM were more organised than other rebel groups, remember they and the SSDF were the only ones to enter Somalli territory with foreign Ethiopian military, no one talks about this but the SNM were in Borama with Mengistu tanks killing Somali civilians who they deemed pro-Somali government.

A lot of undocumented massacres, we only really talk about Mogadishu residents fleeing to Kismaayo and then to Dhoobley before exiting the country, but there are countless other fronts, and people groups in their tenth of thousands fleeing and dying because of rebel groups, and it was not just Mogadishu, we are just more aware because we make up 80% of the diaspora, the others probably were massacred or died in camps, like how Rer Baidoa were starved to death by Aidiid.

[AwRastaale]

Rebel militiamen belonging to the Somali National Movement, fighting the regime of dictator Mohamed Siad Barre, load an anti-aircraft twins cannon near the town of Zeila, northern Somalia in October 1989. Barre's regime was overthrown in January 1991.

Agence France Presse (AFP) journalist Michel Sailhan (L) and photo-journalist
Alexander Joe (C) ride October 1989 in a boat next to a rebel militiaman belonging
to the Somali National Movement, fighting the regime of dictator Mohamed Siad Barre,
patrolling at the sea front near Zeila, northern Somalia in October 1989.

All the facts speak for themselves.

[Typhoon]

explain why was abdiaziz ali barre still in control of hargeisa, burco and berbera while siyaad was in baydhabo

siyaad fell in january 20 and snm entered hargeisa in late April early may

you have no clue about the genesis of the somali civil war

iska orphan habashi ba tahay go speak to abdiwahab and voltage because they are well versed in those early days

70 percent of the somali civil war is undocumented so your little sources is from arm chair observers

go read old snet threads and you will be suprised how much is unwritten
by the time snm entered northern cities they were already infighting and were infighting and were overwhelmed by maryo calool, thats why snm veterans are drinking wisky in their wheel chairs with a military fatigue jackets just like tom cruise movie born of the 4th of July

Yup, the civil war was a complete shit show, but I think SNM were more organised than other rebel groups, remember they and the SSDF were the only ones to enter Somalli territory with foreign Ethiopian military, no one talks about this but the SNM were in Borama with Mengistu tanks killing Somali civilians who they deemed pro-Somali government.

A lot of undocumented massacres, we only really talk about Mogadishu residents fleeing to Kismaayo and then to Dhoobley before exiting the country, but there are countless other fronts, and people groups in their tenth of thousands fleeing and dying because of rebel groups, and it was not just Mogadishu, we are just more aware because we make up 80% of the diaspora, the others probably were massacred or died in camps, like how Rer Baidoa were starved to death by Aidiid.

jigjiga yar had second largest refugee popuation after beledwayne just like the xawadle killed the og, the isaaq killed whole sale woman and childeren in mass.
the graves the isaaq always dig up is from those refugees.

the isaaq used to mark daarood house and kill people, hargeisa used to be multi ethnic the isaaq have looted other peoples property and business.
what is worse is how they treated captured hawiye and raxanwayn soldier, they used to cut off their genitals and cut up their body parts.
isaaq is the only clan that used to kill kids, they have killed alot of ogadeen kids in jigjiga yar

the events of xamar is notting compared to what happend in jigjiga yar in 1991, atleast the daarood xamar could flee and deffend themselfs, that why the onlf in 1994 was angery towards the isaaq and some people in ogadeniya have not forgoten what happend in jigjiga yar

ask guhaad metha and the rest of og crew

[Togdeer]

explain why was abdiaziz ali barre still in control of hargeisa, burco and berbera while siyaad was in baydhabo

siyaad fell in january 20 and snm entered hargeisa in late April early may

you have no clue about the genesis of the somali civil war

iska orphan habashi ba tahay go speak to abdiwahab and voltage because they are well versed in those early days

70 percent of the somali civil war is undocumented so your little sources is from arm chair observers

go read old snet threads and you will be suprised how much is unwritten
by the time snm entered northern cities they were already infighting and were infighting and were overwhelmed by maryo calool, thats why snm veterans are drinking wisky in their wheel chairs with a military fatigue jackets just like tom cruise movie born of the 4th of July

Yup, the civil war was a complete shit show, but I think SNM were more organised than other rebel groups, remember they and the SSDF were the only ones to enter Somalli territory with foreign Ethiopian military, no one talks about this but the SNM were in Borama with Mengistu tanks killing Somali civilians who they deemed pro-Somali government.

A lot of undocumented massacres, we only really talk about Mogadishu residents fleeing to Kismaayo and then to Dhoobley before exiting the country, but there are countless other fronts, and people groups in their tenth of thousands fleeing and dying because of rebel groups, and it was not just Mogadishu, we are just more aware because we make up 80% of the diaspora, the others probably were massacred or died in camps, like how Rer Baidoa were starved to death by Aidiid.

jigjiga yar had second largest refugee popuation after beledwayne just like the xawadle killed the og, the isaaq killed whole sale woman and childeren in mass.
the graves the isaaq always dig up is from those refugees.

the isaaq used to mark daarood house and kill people, hargeisa used to be multi ethnic the isaaq have looted other peoples property and business.
what is worse is how they treated captured hawiye and raxanwayn soldier, they used to cut off their genitals and cut up their body parts.
isaaq is the only clan that used to kill kids, they have killed alot of ogadeen kids in jigjiga yar

the events of xamar is notting compared to what happend in jigjiga yar in 1991, atleast the daarood xamar could flee and deffend themselfs, that why the onlf in 1994 was angery towards the isaaq and some people in ogadeniya have not forgoten what happend in jigjiga yar

ask guhaad metha and the rest of og crew

You talk with your emotions not with your head low IQ boon. Aw rastaale uses clear unbiased evidence and won the debate. Now your just using mum and dad told me stories with no evidence.
The only people killing women, children and elderly were the Faqash army. The only government to ever air bomb its citizens were the kacaan government. Nothing you type or non of your essays you write will change history.

As for Hargeysa it’s always been an Isaaq city. There were small number of refugees and government workers, but it was always an isaaq city, it was never shared.
Even today everyone knows the natives of the city and the guests. Although every Somali clan can be found in Hargeysa, including your boon hunter gatherer clan.

[dalalos101]

explain why was abdiaziz ali barre still in control of hargeisa, burco and berbera while siyaad was in baydhabo

siyaad fell in january 20 and snm entered hargeisa in late April early may

you have no clue about the genesis of the somali civil war

iska orphan habashi ba tahay go speak to abdiwahab and voltage because they are well versed in those early days

70 percent of the somali civil war is undocumented so your little sources is from arm chair observers

go read old snet threads and you will be suprised how much is unwritten
by the time snm entered northern cities they were already infighting and were infighting and were overwhelmed by maryo calool, thats why snm veterans are drinking wisky in their wheel chairs with a military fatigue jackets just like tom cruise movie born of the 4th of July

Yup, the civil war was a complete shit show, but I think SNM were more organised than other rebel groups, remember they and the SSDF were the only ones to enter Somalli territory with foreign Ethiopian military, no one talks about this but the SNM were in Borama with Mengistu tanks killing Somali civilians who they deemed pro-Somali government.

A lot of undocumented massacres, we only really talk about Mogadishu residents fleeing to Kismaayo and then to Dhoobley before exiting the country, but there are countless other fronts, and people groups in their tenth of thousands fleeing and dying because of rebel groups, and it was not just Mogadishu, we are just more aware because we make up 80% of the diaspora, the others probably were massacred or died in camps, like how Rer Baidoa were starved to death by Aidiid.

jigjiga yar had second largest refugee popuation after beledwayne just like the xawadle killed the og, the isaaq killed whole sale woman and childeren in mass.
the graves the isaaq always dig up is from those refugees.

the isaaq used to mark daarood house and kill people, hargeisa used to be multi ethnic the isaaq have looted other peoples property and business.
what is worse is how they treated captured hawiye and raxanwayn soldier, they used to cut off their genitals and cut up their body parts.
isaaq is the only clan that used to kill kids, they have killed alot of ogadeen kids in jigjiga yar

the events of xamar is notting compared to what happend in jigjiga yar in 1991, atleast the daarood xamar could flee and deffend themselfs, that why the onlf in 1994 was angery towards the isaaq and some people in ogadeniya have not forgoten what happend in jigjiga yar

ask guhaad metha and the rest of og crew

subxanallah, lets try to be better than them bro, never forget but forgive.

[dalalos101]

Yup, the civil war was a complete shit show, but I think SNM were more organised than other rebel groups, remember they and the SSDF were the only ones to enter Somalli territory with foreign Ethiopian military, no one talks about this but the SNM were in Borama with Mengistu tanks killing Somali civilians who they deemed pro-Somali government.

A lot of undocumented massacres, we only really talk about Mogadishu residents fleeing to Kismaayo and then to Dhoobley before exiting the country, but there are countless other fronts, and people groups in their tenth of thousands fleeing and dying because of rebel groups, and it was not just Mogadishu, we are just more aware because we make up 80% of the diaspora, the others probably were massacred or died in camps, like how Rer Baidoa were starved to death by Aidiid.

jigjiga yar had second largest refugee popuation after beledwayne just like the xawadle killed the og, the isaaq killed whole sale woman and childeren in mass.
the graves the isaaq always dig up is from those refugees.

the isaaq used to mark daarood house and kill people, hargeisa used to be multi ethnic the isaaq have looted other peoples property and business.
what is worse is how they treated captured hawiye and raxanwayn soldier, they used to cut off their genitals and cut up their body parts.
isaaq is the only clan that used to kill kids, they have killed alot of ogadeen kids in jigjiga yar

the events of xamar is notting compared to what happend in jigjiga yar in 1991, atleast the daarood xamar could flee and deffend themselfs, that why the onlf in 1994 was angery towards the isaaq and some people in ogadeniya have not forgoten what happend in jigjiga yar

ask guhaad metha and the rest of og crew

You talk with your emotions not with your head low IQ boon. Aw rastaale uses clear unbiased evidence and won the debate. Now your just using mum and dad told me stories with no evidence.
The only people killing women, children and elderly were the Faqash army. The only government to ever air bomb its citizens were the kacaan government. Nothing you type or non of your essays you write will change history.

As for Hargeysa it’s always been an Isaaq city. There were small number of refugees and government workers, but it was always an isaaq city, it was never shared.
Even today everyone knows the natives of the city and the guests. Although every Somali clan can be found in Hargeysa, including your boon hunter gatherer clan.

You have 2k post already, I always assumed you were a habeshi pretender, but no one is that committed lol, go ahead my iidoor friend, let the hatred flow through you.

[Khalid Ali]

explain why was abdiaziz ali barre still in control of hargeisa, burco and berbera while siyaad was in baydhabo

siyaad fell in january 20 and snm entered hargeisa in late April early may

you have no clue about the genesis of the somali civil war

iska orphan habashi ba tahay go speak to abdiwahab and voltage because they are well versed in those early days

70 percent of the somali civil war is undocumented so your little sources is from arm chair observers

go read old snet threads and you will be suprised how much is unwritten
by the time snm entered northern cities they were already infighting and were infighting and were overwhelmed by maryo calool, thats why snm veterans are drinking wisky in their wheel chairs with a military fatigue jackets just like tom cruise movie born of the 4th of July

Yup, the civil war was a complete shit show, but I think SNM were more organised than other rebel groups, remember they and the SSDF were the only ones to enter Somalli territory with foreign Ethiopian military, no one talks about this but the SNM were in Borama with Mengistu tanks killing Somali civilians who they deemed pro-Somali government.

A lot of undocumented massacres, we only really talk about Mogadishu residents fleeing to Kismaayo and then to Dhoobley before exiting the country, but there are countless other fronts, and people groups in their tenth of thousands fleeing and dying because of rebel groups, and it was not just Mogadishu, we are just more aware because we make up 80% of the diaspora, the others probably were massacred or died in camps, like how Rer Baidoa were starved to death by Aidiid.

SNM and Ethiopia never fought side by side as ssdf did SNM was very independent organisation rebel movement. Relations between mengistu and the SNM ended in 1988 27 may. After we broke all ties with them the Ethiopians and Isaaq had a clear treaty.

[Django]

They were all MJ

The only so called ‘Darood forces’in the early 90s was Marexan, Lelkasse and Dhulbahante only against rest of Somalia. Ogaden,Majerten were USC until they started being killed. Anyway who cares.

Nigga MJ under Morgan were fighting to take back Xamar while Marexan were busy running away to Utange.
Also MJ groups split USC into 2 factions.Aideed faction was allied to Cumar Jess.
While Ali Mahdi was allied to MJ.

[Murax]

Lol Morgan was MSB son in law, was actually involved in the SSDF crack down, was chairman of the SNF which was 100% Marexaan. Again OG, MJ (SPM,SSDF) were USC until Ogaden got massacred in Afgoi by USC and MJ were slaughtered in Mogadishu, Gaalkacyo (Qeybdid). Ofcourse they then has no choice but to fight under a Darood umbrella because USC obviously did not want them. Jennatul Firdaus ma lugu galo fighting for Darood, nor was there reward aduunyadaan so don’t think I’m bragging about this. These are just the facts Darood forces were Marexaan, Dhulbahante, Lelkasse, facts.

[Typhoon]

Lol Morgan was MSB son in law, was actually involved in the SSDF crack down, was chairman of the SNF which was 100% Marexaan. Again OG, MJ (SPM,SSDF) were USC until Ogaden got massacred in Afgoi by USC and MJ were slaughtered in Mogadishu, Gaalkacyo (Qeybdid). Ofcourse they then has no choice but to fight under a Darood umbrella because USC obviously did not want them. Jennatul Firdaus ma lugu galo fighting for Darood, nor was there reward aduunyadaan so don’t think I’m bragging about this. These are just the facts Darood forces were Marexaan, Dhulbahante, Lelkasse, facts.

no, majerteen played bigger role in kismaayo then dhulbahante and leelkese combined
ciidamada morgan were mainly ogadeenka koonfur iyo nfd and mj, the most dysfunctional group in the somali civil war.

litterly if the the ogadeen and mj met their obligation xamar would be renamed daaroodia.

we conquered bay, bakool all the way to balidogle sheebelada hoose( dhulbahante was with us) and the two groups were supposed to meet in afgoi

i always say kablalax is better off fighting along their sub clans, for some reason us and dhulbahante fight well together, marexaan listen and respect dhulbahante sarakiil which is not the case between ogadeen and mj
also marexaan and majerteen are good fighting alongside but dhulbahante and majerteen for some reason can not capture a village before they clash

the best group would be mj, leelkese and marexaan the second group would be ogadeen and dhulbahante.

if you have marexaan ogaeen and dhulbahante, the dhulos and mrx would dominate and alienate the og

marexaan and dhulbahante have the best bromance of any somali clans, they dont mind leading eatchother

ogadeen and marexaan fight with eatchother but their respective reer mudug and galbeed clans would cause internal friction only a leader like siyaad can lead these two clans its better if they fight own their own

[Flower5]

The bizar sitiution of 1993 when a Darod defence minister in the Ali Mahdi government ordered Abgaal USC to attack Southern Mogadishu forcing the Habar Gedir to leave Jubba and defend their part of Xamar

[Murax]

Typhoon you are either confused or playing the role of contrarian

The SNF forces Morgan went back to Gedo with (then eventually to Kismaayo) were primarily Marexaan. Marexaan along with Lelkasse were the ones doing the fighting against Qeybdiid in Gaalkacyo. The name ‘Darbi Darood’ for Lelkasse didn’t come from nothing. MJ eventually joined Marexaan in Kismaayo as Ogaden (SPM) Jess slaughtered them in Kismaayo. Like I said if USC/Hawiye only focussed their attacks, massacres on Marexaan and didn’t stupidly kill their Ogaden, MJ allies there would never have been a Darood/MJ ‘civil war’.Doqonimada iska dhaaf typhoon MJ/OG would have joined in with USC on their attacks on MR if they were not massacred themselves.

[Individual]

It's funny that I don't see any Haweye especially HG defending itself, clearly that says something that HG Hawiye won the civil war decisively, HGs plan was always to cleanse darood from all the way from Galkacyo to Bay and Bakool, now you will only find daroods on their respective regions (Harrtis in nugal bari, Mx in gedo, ogs in j/hoose) unlike during Siade barre era when the darood where everywhere in every regions.

Hawiyes especially HGs goal has been successful in their plan of cleansing daroods from central and south south central Somalia, just like the Isaaq where successful in cleansing from north western Somalia.

[Voltage]

Murax and Typhoon, you are both correct but are talking about two different periods. Murax is talking about pre-exodus from Xamar and Typhoon is talking about post-exodus after Xamar.

The first front was before the exodus where MJ and Og actively helped USC. The second front was the battle of Afgooye and Kismaayo/Araare areas where Majerten understood they were fighting for existence and joined the war fully against USC.

The only thing I will add is SPM/Cumar Jees were completely USC even after Afgooye. SPM/Adan Gabyoow however did join the war against USC post-Afgooye.

[Murax]

Murax and Typhoon, you are both correct but are talking about two different periods. Murax is talking about pre-exodus from Xamar and Typhoon is talking about post-exodus after Xamar.

The first front was before the exodus where MJ and Og actively helped USC. The second front was the battle of Afgooye and Kismaayo/Araare areas where Majerten understood they were fighting for existence and joined the war fully against USC.

The only thing I will add is SPM/Cumar Jees were completely USC even after Afgooye. SPM/Adan Gabyoow however did join the war against USC post-Afgooye.

Yea ofcourse once the writing was on they wall they did join eventually but in my mind that was too late. Who cares what happened after Dawlada fell. They joined in on USC’s attack on MSB AUN Gov and I still say if USC never touched OG/MJ it would have been all of Somalia vs MR and they probably could have formed a Gov. Ultimately it was a zero sum game nobody won and everybody returned back to their tribal lands. Even Raxanwein who were unarmed and farmers, armed themselves and humiliated and kicked out Caydiids militia in Baay. Ironically iskaba daa Bay/Bakool today D&M are presiding over L Shabelle too.