The '77 Ogaden War was a mistake. We won't make that mistake again!

[Django]

In 1976-1977.

MSB was facing opposition from the military generals.Isaq,MjHawiye etc because they saw him as a brutal power hungry dictator from a minority tribe.

He would not have survived and the only way possible out was to create a diversion with the fake nationalism card of Somaliweyn.

That is the main reason the 77 war was initiated a way to consolidate power and send the enemies to die in the frontline.

But when he recalled back the army the fiasco began.

The geneeals and military leaders were disgrunted and appalled by his decision.He entered the war without consultation and left the war without consultation

That was a very unforgivinf mistake because he took the lives of the soilders as being worthless.

After a flock of refugees cma e to Somalia.He kept singing the nationalism card and the Ogadens from Ethioia fell for it as they didnt know his background and what he had been upto from the start of the coup in 1969.
The youth were recruited into reservists and were used by MSB for his ulterior motives of suppressing clan uprising in somalia.Since the youth had no form of income and no where to return to apart from the squalid conditions of the refugee camps they had hope that MSB would liberate their land so they joined his campaign.It was marked with disaster after disaster corruption,Nepotism,Kangaroo courts ,extra judicial killings ,embezzling of national coffers,corruption in Education system etc that culminated into first a small scale uprising but when MSB decided to used iron fist approach rather than arbitration it escalated into a full scale uprising by then Ogaden had left his support as he betrayed them by signing the infamous treaty in Djibouti with Mengistu where he accepted that the Ogaden is officially oart of Ethiopia.Then the massacre of Ogadens from Somalia happened where 100K were displced and thousands killed and villeges torched.So Axmed Cumar Jess,Abdiraxman Tuur and Caydiid galvanised their forces and pressured MSN to leave Villa.Somalia in a Hurry.The boli qaran dream was lost.

Yes I conclude rhe 1977 was a big mistake but was a necessary evil for MSB regime to survive he survived 12 more years.

[zidane88]

It was MS Barre's greed to conquer "somali speaking" territories and unite. Not a bad idea if it was behind a real good intention but it was mere greed...the same greed that the incumbent one is dreaming to do while in amisom bunker.

[sahal80]

I dont wanna to involve in your civil war but it was the other way OGs prolonged his staying as MOD and army generals. barre wanted to use the OG population to control he whole Somali peninsula and you know how he lost power as soon they became mucaarad(gabiyow jubba front and jees bakool front) honestly USC could not have removed him from xamar without OG capturing first bay and bakool and afgooye. Barre was left only to go via the coastal shalaambood road.

barre used them to change demographics of hiiraan and waqooyi. I have seen a paper shows how OG refugees were distributed I dont think gedo had bigger number than hiiraan and and waqooyi galbeed even shabeelada house and nothing about jubooyinka were OG Somalis live. Some times people were eating in the refugee name like the book hell to the road says when they visit a camp they only see 3000 instead of 5000. Mxs had alot of food in the name of refugees back then. One odey told how mx food lorries move from jawiil and qooqand wich had OG camps to caabudwaaq and balanbale kkkk he even side to me it was full of weelal and sugar as well ask any reer siyaad odey.

In 1988 after barre reached deal with ethiopia. Ethiopia accepted the return of "its Somali refugees" however barre stopped the UNHCR taking back OGs to their land. This was one of the reasons local people believed their land have been stolen forever and when they took the arms he used the guests against the hosts.

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=639 ... y"&f=false
Refugees numbers by region except gedo so fake
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source= ... 4750414556

[Mk777]

I dont wanna to involve in your civil war but it was the other way OGs prolonged his staying as MOD and army generals. barre wanted to use the OG population to control he whole Somali peninsula and you know how he lost power as soon they became mucaarad(gabiyow jubba front and jees bakool front) honestly USC could not have removed him from xamar without OG capturing first bay and bakool and afgooye. Barre was left only to go via the coastal shalaambood road.

barre used them to change demographics of hiiraan and waqooyi. I have seen a paper shows how OG refugees were distributed I dont think gedo had bigger number than hiiraan and and waqooyi galbeed even shabeelada house and nothing about jubooyinka were OG Somalis live. Some times people were eating in the refugee name like the book hell to the road says when they visit a camp they only see 3000 instead of 5000. Mxs had alot of food in the name of refugees back then.

In 1988 after barre reached deal with ethiopia. Ethiopia accepted the return of "its Somali refugees" however barre stopped the UNHCR taking back OGs to their land. This was one of the reasons local people believed their land have been stolen forever and when they took the arms he used the guests against the hosts.

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=639 ... y"&f=false
Refugees numbers by region except gedo so fake
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source= ... 4750414556

Gedo is the one region OG use to live in Somalia before 77. They use to share bardheere etc with raxanweyn. The raxanweyn that live there a lot are of Ogaden descent also. Siad Barre pppulated the middle juba with Ogaden in camps and settlements. They are still a minority in this region.There is also rag who are originally pre hawiye samaale called dabarre oo ka tirsan raxanweyn that live in these regions.
The Dabadheer drought of 1974-75 forced over 105,000 victims to settle the coast and interior of the riverine region. These settlements led to the creation of new regions such as the middle Juba for the Ogaden, Gedo for Marehan and Lower Jubba for Harti. Darodization was also reflected in the quest for the missing Somalia, in which successive governments paid more attention to the linearisation of the Ogaden than to that of Djibouti and the NFD. Indeed the Ogaden war caused another massive influx of refugees to be settled in the invented region”
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=DPw ... es&f=false

[sahal80]

I dont wanna to involve in your civil war but it was the other way OGs prolonged his staying as MOD and army generals. barre wanted to use the OG population to control he whole Somali peninsula and you know how he lost power as soon they became mucaarad(gabiyow jubba front and jees bakool front) honestly USC could not have removed him from xamar without OG capturing first bay and bakool and afgooye. Barre was left only to go via the coastal shalaambood road.

barre used them to change demographics of hiiraan and waqooyi. I have seen a paper shows how OG refugees were distributed I dont think gedo had bigger number than hiiraan and and waqooyi galbeed even shabeelada house and nothing about jubooyinka were OG Somalis live. Some times people were eating in the refugee name like the book hell to the road says when they visit a camp they only see 3000 instead of 5000. Mxs had alot of food in the name of refugees back then.

In 1988 after barre reached deal with ethiopia. Ethiopia accepted the return of "its Somali refugees" however barre stopped the UNHCR taking back OGs to their land. This was one of the reasons local people believed their land have been stolen forever and when they took the arms he used the guests against the hosts.

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=639 ... y"&f=false
Refugees numbers by region except gedo so fake
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source= ... 4750414556

Gedo is the one region OG use to live in Somalia before 77. They use to share bardheere etc with raxanweyn. The raxanweyn that live there a lot are of Ogaden descent also. Siad Barre pppulated the middle juba with Ogaden in camps and settlements. They are still a minority in this region.There is also rag who are originally pre hawiye samaale called dabarre oo ka tirsan raxanweyn that live in these regions.
The Dabadheer drought of 1974-75 forced over 105,000 victims to settle the coast and interior of the riverine region. These settlements led to the creation of new regions such as the middle Juba for the Ogaden, Gedo for Marehan and Lower Jubba for Harti. Darodization was also reflected in the quest for the missing Somalia, in which successive governments paid more attention to the linearisation of the Ogaden than to that of Djibouti and the NFD. Indeed the Ogaden war caused another massive influx of refugees to be settled in the invented region”
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=DPw ... es&f=false

I'm depending on UN sources. Cawlyahan OG are native to jubbada dhexe and bakool and used to live in gedo in baardheere bc it was part of alta jubba. Gedo is amalgamation of baso Juba-baay bakool and most of gedo and alta jubba. Baardheere were detached from jubooyinka by barre.
There are no UN sources of OG refugees in jubooyinka. In jubba house country side there are reer cabdulle. Samaales like gaaljecel and cawramale were closer to kismaayo but bro you are not city dwellers. Mj traders between zanzibar and Bari up to Oman have settled kismaayo just same way abgaal took over jowhar despite gaaljecel being closer as nomads. Then you get mxs who settled as soldiers and after 91 wich makes it a darod city.

[KartiHaween]

You bullied those clans with me sxb. You were my junior partner, remember? What was MOD all about? So who were his closet friends and generals?

You Cagdheers sure do like to front you aren't Kacaanist support base for Jaale Maxamed Siyaad Barre, last sovereign of Somalia until the new sovereign Maxamed Abdullahi Farmaajo

You are trying to derail from your initial claim that somalia is in the state that is in is because of 77, which is a code word for Ogaden and IS A LIE. The civil war was started by boons, yes ogaden and every somali clan was part of the kacan but not so you can bully their clans. Barre created this bs unity until he turned into a power hungry clannist and started to consolidate more power and used to murder, loot lands and rape non boon clans. You have no foot to stand on laangaab boy, hopefully once other Somali clans use their brain instead of repeating the lie that boon are wadani and actually have an honest discussion about the fact that it was boons who are the destruction of Somalia then and only then other clans will finally deal with you and I hope its sooner than later.

Yes out of a sense of nationalism and blood ties. Which is the stupidest move ever. He should've support the jabhads inside Ethiopia. Wasting resources which could've put Somalia Khaleej level with our natural resources. I blame OG, this your failure. You were the majority in Ogadenia. Where was your valor? You're his generals and in the end you backstabbed him for Caydiid.

The next great MX strongman will never go out for you again. Matter of fact it is in our strategic interest for you to be under Ethiopia. That way you won't get in the way of our interest in the south. This realpolitik. The era of Daroodism is over.

Of course out of nationalism you dump fuck, just like every other clan was part of the kacaan for the same reason. What a retarded argument. He should have completely stayed out of our business because he is the reason why more Ogaden died and still died, my people are to this day being punished for it. Another one of your retarded argument is that we are majority, what an idiot, we may out number you laangaab clans but clearly Ogaden is out number by ethiopia hugely, I am sure you would love for us to commit mass suicide though, after all we are larger the other clans. There has never been a strong boon man nor will there ever, and the reason the kacaan existed was because afweyne had the support of the people and when they were fed up with his terrorism against them they fought back. Next time, although I have my doubts there will be another next time for boon when your current terrorist boon is acting like another afweyne stay the fuck out of Ogaden aftiars. Oh and you can keep bringing up the past to make your pathetic state. You can lie and claim it us, but it was marexaans constantly bullying of other clans that caused them to rebel and aultimately start the civil war. If afweyne was a decent leader Somalia would have been weak but stable today. MAREXAAN ARE THE REASON WHY SOMALIA IS UNSTABLE, WEAK, FAILED STATE. Boons are so weak they cant even feed their children in gaajoharey or secure Xamar and take Kismayo. All this back and forth about the past is a distraction for you of how badly you losers have failed to defeat ONe SUB CLAN OF OGADEN. Keep crying. Kismayo is not yours and will never be yours.

[Mk777]

I dont wanna to involve in your civil war but it was the other way OGs prolonged his staying as MOD and army generals. barre wanted to use the OG population to control he whole Somali peninsula and you know how he lost power as soon they became mucaarad(gabiyow jubba front and jees bakool front) honestly USC could not have removed him from xamar without OG capturing first bay and bakool and afgooye. Barre was left only to go via the coastal shalaambood road.

barre used them to change demographics of hiiraan and waqooyi. I have seen a paper shows how OG refugees were distributed I dont think gedo had bigger number than hiiraan and and waqooyi galbeed even shabeelada house and nothing about jubooyinka were OG Somalis live. Some times people were eating in the refugee name like the book hell to the road says when they visit a camp they only see 3000 instead of 5000. Mxs had alot of food in the name of refugees back then.

In 1988 after barre reached deal with ethiopia. Ethiopia accepted the return of "its Somali refugees" however barre stopped the UNHCR taking back OGs to their land. This was one of the reasons local people believed their land have been stolen forever and when they took the arms he used the guests against the hosts.

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=639 ... y"&f=false
Refugees numbers by region except gedo so fake
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source= ... 4750414556

Gedo is the one region OG use to live in Somalia before 77. They use to share bardheere etc with raxanweyn. The raxanweyn that live there a lot are of Ogaden descent also. Siad Barre pppulated the middle juba with Ogaden in camps and settlements. They are still a minority in this region.There is also rag who are originally pre hawiye samaale called dabarre oo ka tirsan raxanweyn that live in these regions.
The Dabadheer drought of 1974-75 forced over 105,000 victims to settle the coast and interior of the riverine region. These settlements led to the creation of new regions such as the middle Juba for the Ogaden, Gedo for Marehan and Lower Jubba for Harti. Darodization was also reflected in the quest for the missing Somalia, in which successive governments paid more attention to the linearisation of the Ogaden than to that of Djibouti and the NFD. Indeed the Ogaden war caused another massive influx of refugees to be settled in the invented region”
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=DPw ... es&f=false

I'm depending on UN sources. Cawlyahan OG are native to jubbada dhexe and bakool and used to live in gedo in baardheere bc it was part of alta jubba. Gedo is amalgamation of baso Juba-baay bakool and most of gedo and alta jubba. Baardheere were detached from jubooyinka by barre.
There are no UN sources of OG refugees in jubooyinka. In jubba house country side there are reer cabdulle. Samaales like gaaljecel and cawramale were closer to kismaayo but bro you are not city dwellers. Mj traders between zanzibar and Bari up to Oman have settled kismaayo just same way abgaal took over jowhar despite gaaljecel being closer as nomads. Then you get mxs who settled as soldiers and after 91 wich makes it a darod city.

No one is saying they Are not native sxb but they are a minority in all these regions. Mursade are native to xamar that does not make them the majority. As for kismayo it is known ninka baadiyaha degan has a right to the city. There will come a day when we leave baadiyaha and are no longer nomads. The hundreds of thousands of reer baadiyaha will settle in kismayo.

[Khalid Ali]

Ogaden have now learned their lesson that their biggest enemy is their own so called darood cousins marexaan

[sahal80]

Gedo is the one region OG use to live in Somalia before 77. They use to share bardheere etc with raxanweyn. The raxanweyn that live there a lot are of Ogaden descent also. Siad Barre pppulated the middle juba with Ogaden in camps and settlements. They are still a minority in this region.There is also rag who are originally pre hawiye samaale called dabarre oo ka tirsan raxanweyn that live in these regions.
The Dabadheer drought of 1974-75 forced over 105,000 victims to settle the coast and interior of the riverine region. These settlements led to the creation of new regions such as the middle Juba for the Ogaden, Gedo for Marehan and Lower Jubba for Harti. Darodization was also reflected in the quest for the missing Somalia, in which successive governments paid more attention to the linearisation of the Ogaden than to that of Djibouti and the NFD. Indeed the Ogaden war caused another massive influx of refugees to be settled in the invented region”
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=DPw ... es&f=false

I'm depending on UN sources. Cawlyahan OG are native to jubbada dhexe and bakool and used to live in gedo in baardheere bc it was part of alta jubba. Gedo is amalgamation of baso Juba-baay bakool and most of gedo and alta jubba. Baardheere were detached from jubooyinka by barre.
There are no UN sources of OG refugees in jubooyinka. In jubba house country side there are reer cabdulle. Samaales like gaaljecel and cawramale were closer to kismaayo but bro you are not city dwellers. Mj traders between zanzibar and Bari up to Oman have settled kismaayo just same way abgaal took over jowhar despite gaaljecel being closer as nomads. Then you get mxs who settled as soldiers and after 91 wich makes it a darod city.

No one is saying they Are not native sxb but they are a minority in all these regions. Mursade are native to xamar that does not make them the majority. As for kismayo it is known ninka baadiyaha degan has a right to the city. There will come a day when we leave baadiyaha and are no longer nomads. The hundreds of thousands of reer baadiyaha will settle in kismayo.

when USC reached north of kismaayo like yuuntooy buulo xaaji gees gaduud about 30km north of kismaayo they took with them all these nomads who fought harti settlers in there there are dir as well around jamaame. The city is darod and they keep pouring in every day since madoobe huge reer isaaq from ethiopia have settled it bc they have the NGOs one of them heads an ex reer isaaq safiir to Sweden or Switzerland hes Christian. What you can do is to ally yourself with one darod group either mx or OG. What you need is a depth wich is not there. Mx have gedo OG have Kenya and the adjacent country side. Biimaal are big in marka but HG have depth in Xamar. Look every time mx army coming from gedo it's not about numbers it's about having a depth.

[Mk777]

I'm depending on UN sources. Cawlyahan OG are native to jubbada dhexe and bakool and used to live in gedo in baardheere bc it was part of alta jubba. Gedo is amalgamation of baso Juba-baay bakool and most of gedo and alta jubba. Baardheere were detached from jubooyinka by barre.
There are no UN sources of OG refugees in jubooyinka. In jubba house country side there are reer cabdulle. Samaales like gaaljecel and cawramale were closer to kismaayo but bro you are not city dwellers. Mj traders between zanzibar and Bari up to Oman have settled kismaayo just same way abgaal took over jowhar despite gaaljecel being closer as nomads. Then you get mxs who settled as soldiers and after 91 wich makes it a darod city.

No one is saying they Are not native sxb but they are a minority in all these regions. Mursade are native to xamar that does not make them the majority. As for kismayo it is known ninka baadiyaha degan has a right to the city. There will come a day when we leave baadiyaha and are no longer nomads. The hundreds of thousands of reer baadiyaha will settle in kismayo.

when USC reached north of kismaayo like yuuntooy buulo xaaji gees gaduud about 30km north of kismaayo they took with them all these nomads who fought harti settlers in there there are dir as well around jamaame. The city is darod and they keep pouring in every day since madoobe huge reer isaaq from ethiopia have settled it bc they have the NGOs one of them heads an ex reer isaaq safiir to Sweden or Switzerland hes Christian. What you can do is to ally yourself with one darod group either mx or OG. What you need is a depth wich is not there. Mx have gedo OG have Kenya and the adjacent country side. Biimaal are big in marka but HG have depth in Xamar. Look every time mx army coming from gedo it's not about numbers it's about having a depth.

Yes u are right sxb but first we need to unite under one ugaas which is my reer abti xaaji saalax abtisame. Then we need to think strategically for instance, part of xaaji saalax are of isaaq descent and live in toogdheer. The hadamo are doqondiid around 50%. We need to use these relationships like this to our advantage. Then tear up this whole jubaland project when there is a hawiye president

[Django]

I dont wanna to involve in your civil war but it was the other way OGs prolonged his staying as MOD and army generals. barre wanted to use the OG population to control he whole Somali peninsula and you know how he lost power as soon they became mucaarad(gabiyow jubba front and jees bakool front) honestly USC could not have removed him from xamar without OG capturing first bay and bakool and afgooye. Barre was left only to go via the coastal shalaambood road.

barre used them to change demographics of hiiraan and waqooyi. I have seen a paper shows how OG refugees were distributed I dont think gedo had bigger number than hiiraan and and waqooyi galbeed even shabeelada house and nothing about jubooyinka were OG Somalis live. Some times people were eating in the refugee name like the book hell to the road says when they visit a camp they only see 3000 instead of 5000. Mxs had alot of food in the name of refugees back then.

In 1988 after barre reached deal with ethiopia. Ethiopia accepted the return of "its Somali refugees" however barre stopped the UNHCR taking back OGs to their land. This was one of the reasons local people believed their land have been stolen forever and when they took the arms he used the guests against the hosts.

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=639 ... y"&f=false
Refugees numbers by region except gedo so fake
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source= ... 4750414556

Gedo is the one region OG use to live in Somalia before 77. They use to share bardheere etc with raxanweyn. The raxanweyn that live there a lot are of Ogaden descent also. Siad Barre pppulated the middle juba with Ogaden in camps and settlements. They are still a minority in this region.There is also rag who are originally pre hawiye samaale called dabarre oo ka tirsan raxanweyn that live in these regions.
The Dabadheer drought of 1974-75 forced over 105,000 victims to settle the coast and interior of the riverine region. These settlements led to the creation of new regions such as the middle Juba for the Ogaden, Gedo for Marehan and Lower Jubba for Harti. Darodization was also reflected in the quest for the missing Somalia, in which successive governments paid more attention to the linearisation of the Ogaden than to that of Djibouti and the NFD. Indeed the Ogaden war caused another massive influx of refugees to be settled in the invented region”
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=DPw ... es&f=false

I'm depending on UN sources. Cawlyahan OG are native to jubbada dhexe and bakool and used to live in gedo in baardheere bc it was part of alta jubba. Gedo is amalgamation of baso Juba-baay bakool and most of gedo and alta jubba. Baardheere were detached from jubooyinka by barre.
There are no UN sources of OG refugees in jubooyinka. In jubba house country side there are reer cabdulle. Samaales like gaaljecel and cawramale were closer to kismaayo but bro you are not city dwellers. Mj traders between zanzibar and Bari up to Oman have settled kismaayo just same way abgaal took over jowhar despite gaaljecel being closer as nomads. Then you get mxs who settled as soldiers and after 91 wich makes it a darod city.

Well said Sahal.
I under estimated you but you prooved a vaild point.

Anyway what do you think would be a result if the 1977 war never hapoened.
Would MSB still be in power?
Mind you his senior officers in experience like Aideed,A Yussuf and others were not happy with him as choice.
Would the balance of power have shifted.

Most probably an mudulood l/ MJ alliance would have taken over leadership as this was the natural coalition that existed post independence till the coup.

Anyway MSB took power by chance because the coup was organised by senior disgranted officers.They saw MSB as a compromise because they didnt trust each other to lead thus each one wanted to use MSB to finish the other before they could finish the inexperienced MSB.
But MSB dealt with them and sentenxing to death alot of Isaq,Hawiye and MJ coup leaders.

So the coups kept on re emerging and MSB felt threatened.Men like Aideed,A Yusuf were givin him sleepless nights.
So the 1977 was a necessary evil for the survival of the regime.

[sahal80]

No one is saying they Are not native sxb but they are a minority in all these regions. Mursade are native to xamar that does not make them the majority. As for kismayo it is known ninka baadiyaha degan has a right to the city. There will come a day when we leave baadiyaha and are no longer nomads. The hundreds of thousands of reer baadiyaha will settle in kismayo.

when USC reached north of kismaayo like yuuntooy buulo xaaji gees gaduud about 30km north of kismaayo they took with them all these nomads who fought harti settlers in there there are dir as well around jamaame. The city is darod and they keep pouring in every day since madoobe huge reer isaaq from ethiopia have settled it bc they have the NGOs one of them heads an ex reer isaaq safiir to Sweden or Switzerland hes Christian. What you can do is to ally yourself with one darod group either mx or OG. What you need is a depth wich is not there. Mx have gedo OG have Kenya and the adjacent country side. Biimaal are big in marka but HG have depth in Xamar. Look every time mx army coming from gedo it's not about numbers it's about having a depth.

Yes u are right sxb but first we need to unite under one ugaas which is my reer abti xaaji saalax abtisame. Then we need to think strategically for instance, part of xaaji saalax are of isaaq descent and live in toogdheer. The hadamo are doqondiid around 50%. We need to use these relationships like this to our advantage. Then tear up this whole jubaland project when there is a hawiye president

they say gaaljecel is about culture rather than qabiil example sh yacoub al Shabaab kismaayo waali they call him gaaljecel because hes a hadaamo the rahanwayn who have camel therefore they must be gaaljecel! Another example is ode cadde who are backed by garre in lower shabelle against caafi both are gaaljecel and they fight some say odey cadde are the garre who own camel therefore gaaljecel in eelaay those who like camel! Every clan is about federation so any camel owners south of hiiraan are basically gaaljecel.

Forget about hawiye and USC today Somalia is federalism. You need be like shekhaal who change their shirts they used to be with Moorgan after walalaalaha galgaduud attack of jilib and then joined madoobe via reerow Hassan and Farah cabdulkadir before the heshiis with mx.

[sahal80]

Gedo is the one region OG use to live in Somalia before 77. They use to share bardheere etc with raxanweyn. The raxanweyn that live there a lot are of Ogaden descent also. Siad Barre pppulated the middle juba with Ogaden in camps and settlements. They are still a minority in this region.There is also rag who are originally pre hawiye samaale called dabarre oo ka tirsan raxanweyn that live in these regions.
The Dabadheer drought of 1974-75 forced over 105,000 victims to settle the coast and interior of the riverine region. These settlements led to the creation of new regions such as the middle Juba for the Ogaden, Gedo for Marehan and Lower Jubba for Harti. Darodization was also reflected in the quest for the missing Somalia, in which successive governments paid more attention to the linearisation of the Ogaden than to that of Djibouti and the NFD. Indeed the Ogaden war caused another massive influx of refugees to be settled in the invented region”
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=DPw ... es&f=false

I'm depending on UN sources. Cawlyahan OG are native to jubbada dhexe and bakool and used to live in gedo in baardheere bc it was part of alta jubba. Gedo is amalgamation of baso Juba-baay bakool and most of gedo and alta jubba. Baardheere were detached from jubooyinka by barre.
There are no UN sources of OG refugees in jubooyinka. In jubba house country side there are reer cabdulle. Samaales like gaaljecel and cawramale were closer to kismaayo but bro you are not city dwellers. Mj traders between zanzibar and Bari up to Oman have settled kismaayo just same way abgaal took over jowhar despite gaaljecel being closer as nomads. Then you get mxs who settled as soldiers and after 91 wich makes it a darod city.

Well said Sahal.
I under estimated you but you prooved a vaild point.

Anyway what do you think would be a result if the 1977 war never hapoened.
Would MSB still be in power?
Mind you his senior officers in experience like Aideed,A Yussuf and others were not happy with him as choice.
Would the balance of power have shifted.

Most probably an mudulood l/ MJ alliance would have taken over leadership as this was the natural coalition that existed post independence till the coup.

Anyway MSB took power by chance because the coup was organised by senior disgranted officers.They saw MSB as a compromise because they didnt trust each other to lead thus each one wanted to use MSB to finish the other before they could finish the inexperienced MSB.
But MSB dealt with them and sentenxing to death alot of Isaq,Hawiye and MJ coup leaders.

So the coups kept on re emerging and MSB felt threatened.Men like Aideed,A Yusuf were givin him sleepless nights.
So the 1977 was a necessary evil for the survival of the regime.

without his OG base he would have collapsed by 1978. Even the food of the army were in the name of the refugees. In a nutshell barre totally collapsed after OG left him by the end of the 80s.

[Mk777]

when USC reached north of kismaayo like yuuntooy buulo xaaji gees gaduud about 30km north of kismaayo they took with them all these nomads who fought harti settlers in there there are dir as well around jamaame. The city is darod and they keep pouring in every day since madoobe huge reer isaaq from ethiopia have settled it bc they have the NGOs one of them heads an ex reer isaaq safiir to Sweden or Switzerland hes Christian. What you can do is to ally yourself with one darod group either mx or OG. What you need is a depth wich is not there. Mx have gedo OG have Kenya and the adjacent country side. Biimaal are big in marka but HG have depth in Xamar. Look every time mx army coming from gedo it's not about numbers it's about having a depth.

Yes u are right sxb but first we need to unite under one ugaas which is my reer abti xaaji saalax abtisame. Then we need to think strategically for instance, part of xaaji saalax are of isaaq descent and live in toogdheer. The hadamo are doqondiid around 50%. We need to use these relationships like this to our advantage. Then tear up this whole jubaland project when there is a hawiye president

they say gaaljecel is about culture rather than qabiil example sh yacoub al Shabaab kismaayo waali they call him gaaljecel because hes a hadaamo the rahanwayn who have camel therefore they must be gaaljecel! Another example is ode cadde who are backed by garre in lower shabelle against caafi both are gaaljecel and they fight some say odey cadde are the garre who own camel therefore gaaljecel in eelaay those who like camel! Every clan is about federation so any camel owners south of hiiraan are basically gaaljecel.

Forget about hawiye and USC today Somalia is federalism. You need be like shekhaal who change their shirts they used to be with Moorgan after walalaalaha galgaduud attack of jilib and then joined madoobe via reerow Hassan and Farah cabdulkadir before the heshiis with mx.

Naa sxb there is abtirsi. hadamo everyone knows a big portion is of gaaljecel and other reer hiiraan origin including xawadle.these hadamo wareey ku lee yihin when u ask them who are u hadamo. If u ask them yaa ka sii tahay they will say “galjel”in af maay accent kkkk. When the nomads are moving there will be some who become detached from the clan and settle elsewhere. Also, when clans live in close proximity there will be some mixing. For instance there is some abtisamo who are originally xawadle and some Cali madaxweyn who are originally gaaljecel it is macruf sxb.and sheekhal wee is yeelayaan but they are not a small qabiil. Reer ow Xasan are not shiiqaal truly I believe.

[Django]

I'm depending on UN sources. Cawlyahan OG are native to jubbada dhexe and bakool and used to live in gedo in baardheere bc it was part of alta jubba. Gedo is amalgamation of baso Juba-baay bakool and most of gedo and alta jubba. Baardheere were detached from jubooyinka by barre.
There are no UN sources of OG refugees in jubooyinka. In jubba house country side there are reer cabdulle. Samaales like gaaljecel and cawramale were closer to kismaayo but bro you are not city dwellers. Mj traders between zanzibar and Bari up to Oman have settled kismaayo just same way abgaal took over jowhar despite gaaljecel being closer as nomads. Then you get mxs who settled as soldiers and after 91 wich makes it a darod city.

Well said Sahal.
I under estimated you but you prooved a vaild point.

Anyway what do you think would be a result if the 1977 war never hapoened.
Would MSB still be in power?
Mind you his senior officers in experience like Aideed,A Yussuf and others were not happy with him as choice.
Would the balance of power have shifted.

Most probably an mudulood l/ MJ alliance would have taken over leadership as this was the natural coalition that existed post independence till the coup.

Anyway MSB took power by chance because the coup was organised by senior disgranted officers.They saw MSB as a compromise because they didnt trust each other to lead thus each one wanted to use MSB to finish the other before they could finish the inexperienced MSB.
But MSB dealt with them and sentenxing to death alot of Isaq,Hawiye and MJ coup leaders.

So the coups kept on re emerging and MSB felt threatened.Men like Aideed,A Yusuf were givin him sleepless nights.
So the 1977 was a necessary evil for the survival of the regime.

without his OG base he would have collapsed by 1978. Even the food of the army were in the name of the refugees. In a nutshell barre totally collapsed after OG left him by the end of the 80s.

The question is did Ogaden benefit from 1977 war?
We were fine before the war.
We had our land in Ogaden,Mengistu was facing uprising in every village in Ethiopia even Amhara were rebels.

Before MSB Ogaden had ministers in the Somali government as well as having the jubbas in our control.

After the war Oromos,xabashi and southern nationalitiea were settled in every region in Ogaden from jigjiga,Qabridahar,degaxbur,Godey etc

In the Addis ababa parliament you would see an Amhara mp representing Godey or Jigjiga or Qabridahar etc
While our folks languished in refugee camps in Somalia whose food ration was being stolen.