Sikh mp Truly Good Person From Good People Standing Up For Muslims

[jannoman]

[LeJusticier]

Are you aware Muslim with hypocrisy? I do remember I made dua for my best friend that passed away and Muslims coworker pissed off '' Gaalka ha ducayn'' in any other society you would encounter good people except Muslims have cultural arrogance and hypocrite

[jannoman]

Are you aware Muslim with hypocrisy? I do remember I made dua for my best friend that passed away and Muslims coworker pissed off '' Gaalka ha ducayn'' in any other society you would encounter good people except Muslims have cultural arrogance and hypocrite

They do not know that Islam and the prophet were sent to the whole world as a mercy.....we should pray to everyone and wish everyone well.....ha u joojin.... anigu qaar "so called Muslims" ah ayaan odhan kari waayey Alle ha u naxariisto.......(C/laahi Yusuf) .........while i felt sorry for Michael Jackson...........

[original dervish]

LJ.....you can love and respect non Muslim friends...you can make dua for them to embrace Islam.
However, if they die rejecting Islam and upon Kufr/shirk Allah swt says in numerous surah....they will not be forgiven and and destined for the hell fire.

[jannoman]

LJ.....you can love and respect non Muslim friends...you can make dua for them to embrace Islam.
However, if they die rejecting Islam and upon Kufr/shirk Allah swt says in numerous surah....they will not be forgiven and and destined for the hell fire.

Me .....i go prophet Issa's way.....when Allah on Judgement Day asks him...
And when God said: "You Jesus Mary's son, did you say to the people 'Take me and my mother (as) two gods from other than God?' He (Jesus) said: 'Your praise/glory, (it) is not to be for me that I say what is not for me with (a) right/truth, if I was (had) said it, so You had known it, You know what (is) in my self, and I do not know what (is) in Your self, that You, You (are) all knower (of) the unseens/hidden (unknown).'"
And prophet Essa ends up his answer thus:
'
"If Thou dost punish them, they are Thy servant: If Thou dost forgive them, Thou art the Exalted in power, the Wise.
Or in other words
If Thou punish them, lo! they are Thy slaves, and if Thou forgive them (lo! they are Thy slaves). Lo! Thou, only Thou, art the Mighty, the Wise.
NOT TAKING THE OPTION OF THEM (WHO DESERVE HELLFIRE THRU AND THRU FOR ALL THEY HAVE DONE TO HUMANITY BY THEIR KUFR AND SHIRK) BEING "FORGIVEN" IF ALLAH CHOOSE TO DO SO OFF THE TABLE........
That is my stand.

[original dervish]

Nobody can say who is and who is not going to hell as individuals.

However, we can say cleary in a general way.....that if you reject Islam or associate partners with Allah swt...you are destined for the fire.....this is indisputable.

[Nubis]

[jannoman]

Nubian Queeniye whenever i see you i'll always be waving "Laanta ubaxa le"

[jannoman]

Nobody can say who is and who is not going to hell as individuals.

However, we can say cleary in a general way.....that if you reject Islam or associate partners with Allah swt...you are destined for the fire.....this is indisputable.

That is indisputable.......but also what is indisputable is that Allah as is stated in Surat Alburuj is......
a sovereign doer of whatever He wills. - 85:16 (Asad).......

And hence after judging and putting in eternal hellfire fire all those who rejected Him... He still has the exception to will whatever He wants.....as stated in Surat Huud....

Chapter (11) sūrat hūd (Hud)

Sahih International: [They will be] abiding therein as long as the heavens and the earth endure, except what your Lord should will. Indeed, your Lord is an effecter of what He intends.

Pickthall: Abiding there so long as the heavens and the earth endure save for that which thy Lord willeth. Lo! thy Lord is Doer of what He will.

Yusuf Ali: They will dwell therein for all the time that the heavens and the earth endure, except as thy Lord willeth: for thy Lord is the (sure) accomplisher of what He planneth.

Shakir: Abiding therein so long as the heavens and the earth endure, except as your Lord please; surely your Lord is the mighty doer of what He intends.

Muhammad Sarwar: for as long as the heavens and the earth exist, unless your Lord decides otherwise. Your Lord will certainly accomplish whatever He wants.

Mohsin Khan: They will dwell therein for all the time that the heavens and the earth endure, except as your Lord wills. Verily, your Lord is the doer of what He wills.

Arberry: so long as the heavens and earth abide, save as thy Lord will; surely thy Lord accomplishes what He desires.

[Shirib]

If I died I wouldn't want a hindu praying to Brahma or Vishnu for me, and I wouldn't want a Christian to ask Jesus Christ for my salvation. Similarly why would a deceased person who didn't even believe in Allah and his messenger scw to begin with want you to pray to Allah for the? They don't, and they shouldn't be prayed for because they rejected Allah and his messenger scw in the first place.

[jannoman]

[TheLoFather]

LJ.....you can love and respect non Muslim friends...you can make dua for them to embrace Islam.
However, if they die rejecting Islam and upon Kufr/shirk Allah swt says in numerous surah....they will not be forgiven and and destined for the hell fire.

Me .....i go prophet Issa's way.....when Allah on Judgement Day asks him...
And when God said: "You Jesus Mary's son, did you say to the people 'Take me and my mother (as) two gods from other than God?' He (Jesus) said: 'Your praise/glory, (it) is not to be for me that I say what is not for me with (a) right/truth, if I was (had) said it, so You had known it, You know what (is) in my self, and I do not know what (is) in Your self, that You, You (are) all knower (of) the unseens/hidden (unknown).'"
And prophet Essa ends up his answer thus:
'
"If Thou dost punish them, they are Thy servant: If Thou dost forgive them, Thou art the Exalted in power, the Wise.
Or in other words
If Thou punish them, lo! they are Thy slaves, and if Thou forgive them (lo! they are Thy slaves). Lo! Thou, only Thou, art the Mighty, the Wise.
NOT TAKING THE OPTION OF THEM (WHO DESERVE HELLFIRE THRU AND THRU FOR ALL THEY HAVE DONE TO HUMANITY BY THEIR KUFR AND SHIRK) BEING "FORGIVEN" IF ALLAH CHOOSE TO DO SO OFF THE TABLE........
That is my stand.

You can quote the Bible ( totally distorted and full of falsehoods as it is!) as much as you like, but The Messege, Sunnah (and Sayings) of our Last and Final Messenger Prophet Muxammad, Salallahu Calayhi Wassalam, over rides what any of his predecessors had said and even He SCW could not make Dua for his Kufaar uncles and relatives. He SCW could not make Dua for the man who had raised Him and protected Him SCW who was his uncle Abu Taalib who died in kufr.

[TheLoFather]

LJ.....you can love and respect non Muslim friends...you can make dua for them to embrace Islam.
However, if they die rejecting Islam and upon Kufr/shirk Allah swt says in numerous surah....they will not be forgiven and and destined for the hell fire.

[original dervish]

I think a lot of western Muslims are succumbing to Christian subliminal propaganda.....that Jesus died for our sins......and you can do pretty much anything and its ok.

[jannoman]

LJ.....you can love and respect non Muslim friends...you can make dua for them to embrace Islam.
However, if they die rejecting Islam and upon Kufr/shirk Allah swt says in numerous surah....they will not be forgiven and and destined for the hell fire.

Me .....i go prophet Issa's way.....when Allah on Judgement Day asks him...
And when God said: "You Jesus Mary's son, did you say to the people 'Take me and my mother (as) two gods from other than God?' He (Jesus) said: 'Your praise/glory, (it) is not to be for me that I say what is not for me with (a) right/truth, if I was (had) said it, so You had known it, You know what (is) in my self, and I do not know what (is) in Your self, that You, You (are) all knower (of) the unseens/hidden (unknown).'"
And prophet Essa ends up his answer thus:
'
"If Thou dost punish them, they are Thy servant: If Thou dost forgive them, Thou art the Exalted in power, the Wise.
Or in other words
If Thou punish them, lo! they are Thy slaves, and if Thou forgive them (lo! they are Thy slaves). Lo! Thou, only Thou, art the Mighty, the Wise.
NOT TAKING THE OPTION OF THEM (WHO DESERVE HELLFIRE THRU AND THRU FOR ALL THEY HAVE DONE TO HUMANITY BY THEIR KUFR AND SHIRK) BEING "FORGIVEN" IF ALLAH CHOOSE TO DO SO OFF THE TABLE........
That is my stand.

You can quote the Bible ( totally distorted and full of falsehoods as it is!) as much as you like, but The Messege, Sunnah (and Sayings) of our Last and Final Messenger Prophet Muxammad, Salallahu Calayhi Wassalam, over rides what any of his predecessors had said and even He SCW could not make Dua for his Kufaar uncles and relatives. He SCW could not make Dua for the man who had raised Him and protected Him SCW who was his uncle Abu Taalib who died in kufr.

i remember this story about Sayid Mohamed and the Dervishes .......one day they were discussing the amount of camels that were taken in raids and reports concerning them when one Dervish said "Sayidi toban lo'ana ku dar" which means " Sir also add ten cows" and the Sayid looked at the rest of the Dervishes and said "Daraawiishey ma lo' beynu hadalhayney" which means "O! Dervishes were we talking about cows" an indication of surprise! in including cows to the discussion about camels........what brought the Bible to the discussion......what i quoted was a translation of verse 118 from Surat Al-maaida...in other words the Holy Quran....and here is the verse in its Quranic arabic form
قوله تعالى: إن تعذبهم فإنهم عبادك، وإن تغفر لهم فإنك أنت العزيز الحكيم
And here is ibin Kateer's tafsir of this verse
وقال ابن كثير: " وقوله: إن تعذبهم فإنهم عبادك وإن تغفر لهم فإنك أنت العزيز الحكيم هذا الكلام يتضمن رد المشيئة إلى الله، عز وجل، فإنه الفعال لما يشاء، الذي لا يسأل عما يفعل وهم يسألون.

ويتضمن التبري من النصارى الذين كذبوا على الله، وعلى رسوله، وجعلوا لله ندا وصاحبة وولدا، تعالى الله عما يقولون علوا كبيرا .

وهذه الآية لها شأن عظيم ونبأ عجيب، وقد ورد في الحديث: أن رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم قام بها ليلة حتى الصباح يرددها "، تفسير ابن كثير: (3/ 233).
والمعنى: إن غفرت لهم فمغفرتك تكون عن كمال القدرة والعلم. ليست عن عجز عن الانتقام منهم، ولا عن خفاء عليك بمقدار جرائمهم، وهذا لأن العبد قد يغفر لغيره لعجزه عن الانتقام منه. ولجهله بمقدار إساءته إليه. والكمال: هو مغفرة القادر العالم. وهو العزيز الحكيم. وكان ذكر هاتين الصفتين في هذا المقام عين الأدب في 

And the meaning: "and if Thou forgive them" is from complete absolute power and knowledge.....it is not from inability from taking revenge from them or lack of knowledge of the extent of their crime but from a vintage of absolute power and absolute knowledge and wisdom..
This aaya is so deep in meaning that prophet Mohamed (may peace and blessings be upon him) prayed a whole night with only this aaya......it shows the profound goodness of prophet Essa (may peace be upon him) and how despite all the blasphemy and crimes they put upon him and the pain they have caused him he still would not mind if Allah forgave them (if Allah felt like doing that) because whatever Allah does is based on power and knowledge (wisdom) .......even though Allah stated that He would not forgive them....yet still Allah is free and answers to no one and does whatever that He wants......and it is up to Him.........

And Lo Father remember my quote was from the Holy Quran and not the Bible.........in other words i was talking camels not cows.....
Here is the verse (aaya) again with translation

 


" إن تعذبهم فإنهم عبادك، وإن تغفر لهم فإنك أنت العزيز الحكيم"

SAHIH INTERNATIONAL
If You should punish them - indeed they are Your servants; but if You forgive them - indeed it is You who is the Exalted in Might, the Wise.