Lift the Kismaayo air blockade!

[Voltage]

Horta, do you guys think if Madoobe is removed marexaan will control Kismaayo? Once the federal government shows it can remove the president of Jubbaland what will you guys do when they want to remove a guy you guys like?

This is not Mareexan and Ogaden problem as you can see both sides are mixed. Such as Ina Sayid, Janan, Fartaag, Aw Xirsi etc being allied with madoobe. And Xidig, seeraar, oomar, farax maaclin etc allied with farmaajo. Personally I would welcome an educated ogaden/mareexaan technocrat with the right credentials to lead JL, but Madoobe has had this seat for 7 years and at this point the people are tired of him. His election was also laughably rigged to the point where he brought a no-name man and a random lady to compete with him. So to me it is fine and even preferred for the shisheeye to think there is a divide between OG/MX since that is what they would wish for. However Ogaden and mareexaan have always been historically close and this little political spat will not dent that kinship even a little. Since we are connected by blood and xeer this political issue will also be solved. This was the marexan ugaas with ina cagjar a few weekS ago in DDS having a meeting. And even he as MZ has not even involved himself in this mess and has remained neutral.




I am a federalist at heart, I don't want xamar to have anything to do with JL in terms of control or dictating how things go. I also believe that farmaajo is a wadani at heart and his choice of candidate would probably do a good job as opposed to other FGS leaders who might have insidious motives. The right leadership is needed to bring all groups to the table and hash out real power sharing and other crucial aspects. If madoobe had that quality he would've actually held a formal reconciliation, enhanced security by working with the various gobols, not siphon off money intended for other regions into kismaayo, not undermine our interests in the city, called out kenya on their repeated violations etc etc. But he has done none of these things and has even doubled down on his alliance with Kenya during this time where the maritime dispute is ongoing. Therefore it's past the point of return with him. Competent leadership and progress in the next step for this state as well as continuing to strengthen the security forces. Just my 2cents.

Damn, the new Ugaas Keyse is much younger than I thought. He must have been a child when Ugaas Siraaji was killed in 2001? This picture pretty much explains to me why Ugaas Barre Taakooy was the caretaker Ugaas (ku simaha Ugaaska) for so long.

I was going to say his age will bring vibrancy to the northern Sade but looking him up he seems to be a head of me. Is he a diaspora baby? He already started building himself a fancy center in Caabudwaaq

[Voltage]

My general response to this is Ahmed Madoobe is generally not a "bad guy." It's funny Mareexaan hate him so much when the Ogaadeen there whisper to each other "Mareexaan baa sixray." Why do you think Ras Kamboni fractured and Seeraar hates him now? Look at his Kismaayo inauguration. The only Ogaden former leaders of Ras Kamboni was Macalin Maxamuud. Everyone else around Madoobe was Marehan. To his left was Gen Dhuumaal, to his right was Maxamuud Sayid, and to his back was Fartaag. When you have CABAAS TALXE whom the Ogaden consider having committed massacres against SPM holding protests in support of Madoobe, it's no joke. There is no clan that has eaten better than Marehan from Ahmed Madoobe.

I personally don't care if he is good. He can go a be a Quraan teacher in a masjid if he is good. I want him OUT as Jubbaland President.

He is occupying a Marehan seat.

Jubbaland and Hirshabeele are the same. In Hirshabeele, Abgaal is the preeminent clan and in Jubbaland, Marehan is the preeminent clan.

Yet the seats of President of both states are not currently occupied by the preeminent clans for reasons of distinction (sabab jira awgood); namely Abgaal was blinded by Villa Somalia (which they have since lost) and completed neglected Hirshabellee while Ahmed Madoobe is only occupying Kismaayo with the direct patronage of Kenya.

In time, the natural order will reassert itself.

[Murax]

Voltage,

If we’re going to be frank and tell it like it is, Ahmed Madoobe has done 100x better a job with Kismaayo than Marexaan did 2009. Marexaan 2009 were fighting each other like Xoolo over the port money, being idiotic, while Al Shaydaan were inching closer and closer to Kismaayo. I actually remember that. If we’re being fair, with that being the case what face to we have to say the President has to be us and all that. Personally, I simply think Madoobe has limited experience, skills for the position, and his Kenyan allegiance is worrisome to me with where we are with Kenya, THAT is why I would like to see him gone, not because he’s Ogadeen.


Another factor is balance, Somalia is still a clan enterprise. The President of Somalia is Marexaan/Sade/Darood, taking that along with regional presidency is not balanced. Bottom like is Ogadeen, Marexaan ancestrally are from the same region (Wardeer), migrated same time South, and are kin. The fact that they cannot build a State is a indictment on our intellect.

[sahal80]

My general response to this is Ahmed Madoobe is generally not a "bad guy." It's funny Mareexaan hate him so much when the Ogaadeen there whisper to each other "Mareexaan baa sixray." Why do you think Ras Kamboni fractured and Seeraar hates him now? Look at his Kismaayo inauguration. The only Ogaden former leaders of Ras Kamboni was Macalin Maxamuud. Everyone else around Madoobe was Marehan. To his left was Gen Dhuumaal, to his right was Maxamuud Sayid, and to his back was Fartaag. When you have CABAAS TALXE whom the Ogaden consider having committed massacres against SPM holding protests in support of Madoobe, it's no joke. There is no clan that has eaten better than Marehan from Ahmed Madoobe.

I personally don't care if he is good. He can go a be a Quraan teacher in a masjid if he is good. I want him OUT as Jubbaland President.

He is occupying a Marehan seat.

Jubbaland and Hirshabeele are the same. In Hirshabeele, Abgaal is the preeminent clan and in Jubbaland, Marehan is the preeminent clan.

Yet the seats of President of both states are not currently occupied by the preeminent clans for reasons of distinction (sabab jira awgood); namely Abgaal was blinded by Villa Somalia (which they have since lost) and completed neglected Hirshabellee while Ahmed Madoobe is only occupying Kismaayo with the direct patronage of Kenya.

In time, the natural order will reassert itself.

kkkkk al waxyul voltagi from his jeeb!

im not gonna say why talking about hirshabelle i like debate and discussion im not scared from the facts!

sxb i was trying to find for you an article wrote by abgaal guy about "the hawadle mentality of the 60s" when hiiraan had 12 mps and Xamar just two mps what do you think of jowhar! they were all part of ex banaadir wich includes the two shabeele and that time bandirs ajd digil had more represantion in lower shabelle

so he said you guys need to stop thinking from that historical point and "come down to the reality"

jowhar was created by siyaad bare. from the midd 80s it had 4 degmo as new gobol till the the USC and manafesto were declared. he gave every abgaal politician a new degmo in exchange of stopping their war..one of them was farah gololeey that made jowhar 7 degmo! hiiraan had 5 when they had 4.

so hawadle look down to jowhar they r not even supporting Hirshabelle for this reason and they get the leadership!

under hassan sh UNDP statistics hiiraan population was way bigger than middle shabelle...jowhar is mainly jareer followed by abgaal that why it has jareer mayor and they also settle balcad and mahadaay with abgaal...how can abgaal be "the preeminent clan"

i have the clan map of hirshabelle do you know that hawadle live 30k west of balcad in qalimow? 100 north of jowhar in buurane close to mahadaay district? in adan yabaal district on the sea side? 75% all the border between middle shabelle and hiiraan r hawadle. for tgis reason they gave hiiraan 60% of wax qaybsi and middle shabelle 40% president is from hiiraan, speaker gaaljecel and his two deputies jijeele and odeejeen are from hiiraan. most of ministers are from hiiraan
listen to this gaaljecel politician who hails from jowhar he wants to be the speaker. yes as hawadle we didnt get much but they aknowledged hiiraan being bugger thsn m shabeele ajd now we are trying to correct the hiiraan share... as mps we have (17) more than abgaal(15) but they have more as mudulood(nearly 19) but we dont care about that we understand abgaal mentality they got the caasimada and as long we are chairing every thing its not problem. hawadle and abgaal each comes from different gobol and they are allies HAGwise. OG and MX have land dispute(kismaayo) and are not politically allies. middle shabbele deputy governor for security is hawadle. gudoomiyaha wadajir xamar is hawadle the only Hawiye after abgaal who became banaadir governor sonce the civil war or under abgaal prez was hawadle. anaga wax yar oo waxaa nagu dhexjira hiraabnimo ah but abgaal for HG are not like OG for mj they r just you know that maahmaah...they can be easily manipulated by any side and forget their allies. villa somalia and hirshabelle nothing have to do. even this govt is saying to waare if you cooperate with us we will let you get reelected. tells other hawDle mps the same.. the HAG waxqaybsi is that Galmudug for HG, Hirshabelle for hawadle, Abgaal for banaadir and they indead need hawadle to back them for villa somalia not the opposite. traditional abgaals see hawadle as their strategic depth they were all against hassan sh bringing minorities to jowhar. they said to him this is HG is stuff not us!

warsangali abgaal who dominate jowhar politically like mohamed dheere and current vice prez and hawadle r big allies and are qaraabo maternally. their mother is from the jufo of waare that why they work with him closely. ali osoble was allying himself with wscbuudhan. they looked at him like someone who impowers himself with damjadeed and muuse suudi(from the above) so they worked with govt agaginst him. they want someone who does tgings locally. in the 90s there was jowhar hiiraan union chairman was omar hashi and omar dheere his deputy.

[original dervish]

These folk are becoming ever more crazed by the day.
In the last few day's they've supported sl recognition and renouncing Darood as a means to getting Kismayo.

It must burn them up to see Madoobe sitting pretty in the holy city.

Kismayo is in the hands of it's rightful owners....long may it continue inshallah.

[Voltage]

Sahal,

I wasn't trying to meddle in your friend sxb so relax, I was making a general comparison.

Even so, that Abgaal is the preeminent clan in Hirshabeele but is not President of the state because of "sababa jiray awgood" (namely they were completely comfortable with Villa Somalia and pretty much just said "iska qaata" ) is not up for debate. The entire grumplings you see in Hirshabeele recently and about parliament allocation iyo waxaan waa Abgaal oo slowly soo jeedsanayso after losing Villa Somalia.

Remember before I said your entire "qandaraas" depends on Hiraab being occupied somewhere else. This is the entire basis for your "HAG" beerlaxowsi about Abgaal winning Villa Somalia next election.

We both know, as even a two year old Somali kid knows, the qandaraas is up when the election comes and goes and Abgaal finds itself outside Villa Somalia.

They haven't fully turned around to settle the Hirshabeele issue yet, because wali waxay hami ka qabaan Villa Somalia (a desire you push to keep them away from you).

Come next election and Abgaal doesn't win Villa Somalia, this is what happens to you and Hirshabeele;



Like I said, sababa jira awgood is why the two preeminent clans of Hirshabeele and Jubbaland are not currently in possession of the presidencies.

In time, the natural order will reassert themselves.

[sahal80]

sorry about my spelling im at work using my mobile
you still insisting clearly you dont know the land kulahaa abgaal ayaa ugu wayn ama ugu horeeya Hirshabeele halka mx ugu horeeyo JL laakiin jagooyinkii labadooda ma helin!


horta hiiraan was already sub-state it has all the UN agencies and despite abgaal having villa somalia we were close to host the conference but the governor killed a guy who works for the UN bc he was bringing people to him even these smaller clans so he got ousted by mudaharaad. hassan sh found this a chance as the guy who was preparing the conferance with EU and IGAD got ousted and he appointed his stupid guy
https://somaliagenda.com/mudulood-the-n ... f-somalia/
Hiiraan had strong relations with Ethiopia and it had UNSOM branch in baladweyne to this day. have you heard hassan sh being recorded secretly telling the governor you hawadle if you go to nickolas kay i will never accept it he was saying lagamayaaaaabo. finally IGAD forced him to do things in favour of hiiraan. what abgaal were mashquul on villa somalia? we were a f-king regional state bc the federalim is to "cage xamar" so those in the borders have more support.
https://unsom.unmissions.org/office-locations

also like i said Abgaal and hawadle do business together so they dont mind Hawadle president having villa somalia or not but the main reason is two" two gobol wax qaybsi they r more into caasimada bc waa meesha wax lagu dhuuqo. if hiiraan takes the capital hawadle will dictate them and take the capital as well. voltage maybe you didnt heard that hawadle was ruling jowhar for 3 years since USC when they were allied with caydiid. hawadle was controlling jowhar for him and protected his back. some thing in madiina from saldhiga galbeed to halane and afisyoone in waabari. after our clash with caydiid we left jowhar a little but war happened it was the first time abgaals took over it. we tried to keep it for Ali mahdi but mohamed dheere attacked us.
in Jowhar abgaals will benefit more economically and we hawadle told them you guys manage your land and we r managing our land. thats why you see all these small clans cabaafing from hirshabelle interior bc he implements this policy(leave hiiraan for me i will leave middle shabelle for you)



this is the clan map isnt hawadle the biggest. the red south west of jowhar near walawayn is hawadle this is qalimow. we live between mobileen and gaaljecel. gaaljecel is the yellow see how far they r from jalalaqsi snd buuloburde that is why they dont live in degmooyinka we have baadicade we swallowed them that why we r bordering all middle shabelle except that gaaljecel leg from walawayn.
this is the abgaal article on hawadle mentality. we still dont supprt hirshabelle bc "its not fair for hiiraan aka hawadle" hiiraan is 5 degmo not 4. yes middle sh has 7. 3 before the war in xamar. the whole middle shabelle is half of hiiraan even gaaljecel and jijeele have no degom and you talking about what you get in the name of USC xamar!
https://m.facebook.com/groups/402031609 ... 4514259920
hawadle red see the other red as well just 30 km from balcad from the walawayn side we want some day to connect them with hiiraan. abgaal blue second by land gaaljecel yellow third gugundhabe green the big one jijeele and the small one baadicade thats yucubka the only boder they share with gaaljecel. after buuloburde and jalalaqsi its all hawadle till inside middle shabelle on both sides of the river aka bar and qoraxsin

[gobdoon]

I beleive the blockade had opposite the desired result and that it gave Madoobe much needed puplicity
Madoobe speech was intresting and sounded like Xal raadis and that he suggested Farmajo visit him and sort out the differenc , Deni was also conselatory and suggested we sort out our fifference for the sake of Somali
So I suggest Farmajo and Kheyre swallow their pride and quickly find solutions and more consulting but not dictatorial , they are the leaders and must good leadership

[original dervish]

Clearly reconciliation is the best course of action.
However, Farmaajo has backed himself into a corner.
He has staked his presidency on winning Kismayo for his klansmen.

[sahal80]

mx waa ugu badnaan karaan JL as they populate Gedo and share kismaayo but historically lower jubba was
predominantly kablalah and cawramale who got incorporated in warsangali and gaaljecel. middle jubba darod are OG. bc of the kablalax in lower jubba and its connections with garisa and Garowe it makes them the bigger boys in this State. that why mx had to use the federal govt and Xamar allied clans all the time like the gaaljecel and sheekhal but to be honest most shiikhaal and cawramale have accepted to deal with OG and harti. shiikhaal were allied with moorgan against walaalaha galgaduud. lugudheere have learned a lesson from the past. for exmaple AZANIA vice president was sacad HG so the sheekhal started dealing with madoobe who considers them the local hawiye/natives and gives them the vice prez.

[ReturnOfMariixmaan]

mx waa ugu badnaan karaan JL as they populate Gedo and share kismaayo but historically lower jubba was
predominantly kablalah and cawramale who got incorporated in warsangali and gaaljecel. middle jubba darod are OG. bc of the kablalax in lower jubba and its connections with garisa and Garowe it makes them the bigger boys in this State. that why mx had to use the federal govt and Xamar allied clans all the time like the gaaljecel and sheekhal but to be honest most shiikhaal and cawramale have accepted to deal with OG and harti. shiikhaal were allied with moorgan against walaalaha galgaduud. lugudheere have learned a lesson from the past. for exmaple AZANIA vice president was sacad HG so the sheekhal started dealing with madoobe who considers them the local hawiye/natives and gives them the vice prez.

Mx are bigger than Ogaden in Jubbaland. We have 8 degmo in Gedo which is the biggest state in JL. We have three more degmos in Jubada Hoose. We are the majority. OG have Dhobley, Afmadow, and Bu'ale. That's it. Once Kenya leaves. It's over. Why you think MJ + OG use the Kabalax card in Jubbaland? That shows awood jirray in MX who goes by individual clans in Jubboyinka.

Don't let KDF confuse you whose the majority in the region. That's why OG and MJ are fighting tooth and nail to stop us

[Django]

mx waa ugu badnaan karaan JL as they populate Gedo and share kismaayo but historically lower jubba was
predominantly kablalah and cawramale who got incorporated in warsangali and gaaljecel. middle jubba darod are OG. bc of the kablalax in lower jubba and its connections with garisa and Garowe it makes them the bigger boys in this State. that why mx had to use the federal govt and Xamar allied clans all the time like the gaaljecel and sheekhal but to be honest most shiikhaal and cawramale have accepted to deal with OG and harti. shiikhaal were allied with moorgan against walaalaha galgaduud. lugudheere have learned a lesson from the past. for exmaple AZANIA vice president was sacad HG so the sheekhal started dealing with madoobe who considers them the local hawiye/natives and gives them the vice prez.

Maya uma badno JL.

Gedo is a shared degaan.Woth Garreh,Dir,Ogaden,Raxaweyn.
Madoobe gave them extra sits in Gedo to compromise and bring them closer to him which was very wrong because he was ising the Darood card.

While in Kismaayo Ogaden,Harti and Galjecel are more than Marexan.

All the criminals that occupied Kismaayo are in Xamar.
They lived on peoples villa and had forcefully told the occupants to sell off their properties.

I do beleive the only remedy is to amputate JL and remove the toxic Gedo from JL.Gedo can join Lafta Gareen.

We have heard the last 8 years marexan deliberating war after war.

[Django]

mx waa ugu badnaan karaan JL as they populate Gedo and share kismaayo but historically lower jubba was
predominantly kablalah and cawramale who got incorporated in warsangali and gaaljecel. middle jubba darod are OG. bc of the kablalax in lower jubba and its connections with garisa and Garowe it makes them the bigger boys in this State. that why mx had to use the federal govt and Xamar allied clans all the time like the gaaljecel and sheekhal but to be honest most shiikhaal and cawramale have accepted to deal with OG and harti. shiikhaal were allied with moorgan against walaalaha galgaduud. lugudheere have learned a lesson from the past. for exmaple AZANIA vice president was sacad HG so the sheekhal started dealing with madoobe who considers them the local hawiye/natives and gives them the vice prez.

Mx are bigger than Ogaden in Jubbaland. We have 8 degmo in Gedo which is the biggest state in JL. We have three more degmos in Jubada Hoose. We are the majority. OG have Dhobley, Afmadow, and Bu'ale. That's it. Once Kenya leaves. It's over. Why you think MJ + OG use the Kabalax card in Jubbaland? That shows awood jirray in MX who goes by individual clans in Jubboyinka.

Don't let KDF confuse you whose the majority in the region. That's why OG and MJ are fighting tooth and nail to stop us

Saxib only your loud mouth is bigger than Ogaden.

You aint bigger than no one saxib.

You have marginalised Gedo qabils because you used MSB and Walalaha galgaduud.
Celwaq is a shared degan
Bula xaawo ia a shared degaan
Bardheere is a shared degaan
Luuq is a shared degaan

Only Garbaharey ia marexan majority.

In Kismaayo majority of your kins ran to Xamar.When you were defeated in 2013.

This is the milionth time I am saying KDF and Madoobe captured Kismaayo from AS where was Marexan in 2012 ?

If KDF live Juboyinka only AS can recapture Kismaayo.But never marexan in your wildest dreams.
Unless you will bring Ethiopia just like they are stationed in every single town in Gedo protecting marexan from AS.

[ReturnOfMariixmaan]

mx waa ugu badnaan karaan JL as they populate Gedo and share kismaayo but historically lower jubba was
predominantly kablalah and cawramale who got incorporated in warsangali and gaaljecel. middle jubba darod are OG. bc of the kablalax in lower jubba and its connections with garisa and Garowe it makes them the bigger boys in this State. that why mx had to use the federal govt and Xamar allied clans all the time like the gaaljecel and sheekhal but to be honest most shiikhaal and cawramale have accepted to deal with OG and harti. shiikhaal were allied with moorgan against walaalaha galgaduud. lugudheere have learned a lesson from the past. for exmaple AZANIA vice president was sacad HG so the sheekhal started dealing with madoobe who considers them the local hawiye/natives and gives them the vice prez.

Mx are bigger than Ogaden in Jubbaland. We have 8 degmo in Gedo which is the biggest state in JL. We have three more degmos in Jubada Hoose. We are the majority. OG have Dhobley, Afmadow, and Bu'ale. That's it. Once Kenya leaves. It's over. Why you think MJ + OG use the Kabalax card in Jubbaland? That shows awood jirray in MX who goes by individual clans in Jubboyinka.

Don't let KDF confuse you whose the majority in the region. That's why OG and MJ are fighting tooth and nail to stop us

Saxib only your loud mouth is bigger than Ogaden.

You aint bigger than no one saxib.

You have marginalised Gedo qabils because you used MSB and Walalaha galgaduud.
Celwaq is a shared degan
Bula xaawo ia a shared degaan
Bardheere is a shared degaan
Luuq is a shared degaan

Only Garbaharey ia marexan majority.

In Kismaayo majority of your kins ran to Xamar.When you were defeated in 2013.

This is the milionth time I am saying KDF and Madoobe captured Kismaayo from AS where was Marexan in 2012 ?

If KDF live Juboyinka only AS can recapture Kismaayo.But never marexan in your wildest dreams.
Unless you will bring Ethiopia just like they are stationed in every single town in Gedo protecting marexan from AS.

^^^

Cuqdadlow and fake news

[dalalos101]

their air blockade might actually force the loser Blackie and his Kikuyu friends to fight the terrorist instead of sitting on their ass selling illegal charcoal