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MidriGeez wrote: Mon Nov 11, 2019 2:08 pm
Xildiiid wrote: Fri Nov 08, 2019 1:17 pm There could be some truth to it. There’s a connection between predynastic Egypt and Mesopotamia. According to ancient Egyptian mythology, the first dynasty of Egypt was established by the Falcon tribe of Horus who are believed to be of Mesopotamian origin. The Gebel el-Arak knife, dating back 5450 years i.e predynastic Egypt, shows a Mesopotamian king controlling two lions possibly representing upper and lower Egypt and on the backside of the handle there’s an image of a battlefield.

Somalis and Beja have a genetic connection, not just haplogroups, but on whole genome analysis and one study indicates that the Somali-Beja split happened around 3400 years ago for the Somali-Hadendoa (Beja) and 3700 for Somali-Beni Amer (Beja/Tigre).

This confirms the proposed theory that the ancestor of Somalis, the proto Somalis, migrated from what is today south Egypt/North Sudan through Eritrea, where they stayed for some time, before making another migration along the Red Sea coast into the Somali Peninsula.

A side note, a study done by Steele et al. have also demonstrated that northern Somalis have a slightly higher percentage of Eurasian DNA than south Somalis and Abyssinian groups without any recent influx of foreign DNA. This could be the result of genetic isolation and if that’s the case then the northern Somalis are the modern representatives of the proto Somalis.

However it could also come from South Cushites who possibly inhabited the Somali Peninsula before the proto Somalis.The people depicted on Las Geel are most likely South Cushites and they were 60-65% West Eurasian.
i agree with your assessment, to add to that as well the new kingdom of Egypt 18th,19th and 20th dynasty rulers/pharaohs had a mother tongue which was not Ancient Egyptians but close to it. the new kingdom came from the south and kicked out the Hyksos rulers of Egypt who were from syria and the last ruler was the 17th dynasty. I visited some sites near aswan and luxor with someone who was a bisharin Beja who are officially the only recognised decedents of the new kingdom egypt by the state of egypt. he took me to old closed temples and he was reading the holographic to me and told me what they were saying on the wall, i was shocked and not surprised in the same time.

those temples has been closed for more than 30 years for "renovation" but the truth is the Egyptian government do not want the world to see as many westerners can read it these days and notice what it says. basically what it said on the wall is all the new kingdom pharaohs attribute their origin to the southern land "Ta seti" which was East sudan+Eritrea+djbouti+northern part of somalia. He told me their native tongue was a language which is what he believes to be the proto type language which beja+afar split from.

The guy literraly showed me word by word and translated it wall after wall and everything pointing to the south, he told me Ancient Egyptians was a secondary language to them and the main language was a language from the land of Ta seti. Now Ta seti split later to the northern part "Medjay" East sudan + northern Eritrea, and the southern Part "Punt" which is rest of Eritrea + djbouti and northern somali. Medjay=Beja and Punt=Afar/saho. i remember he read an inscription once which said that in military meetings they all spoke with that "southern language" to make sure the hyksos who some remained in egypt and lived among the population could not spy on them as the danger from"syria" was always not finished with.

Those Bisharin Beja are amazing wallahi any somali in here who might visit egypt in the future go to towns like Luxor and aswan. forget about the noba people just look for Bisharin Beja and tell them you are somali and watch how they would see you as a family member who have not seen you in years. their features you sense like horner living in south egypt.

In regards to south cushites in the somali peninsula maybe they mixed with the incoming cushites waves coming at a later dates or maybe groups like the omotic tribes have link with them who lives in southern/western Ethiopia.
According to linguists, the Beja language is the most conservative form of Cushitic meaning that it contains minimal changes and therefore the closest to the original Cushitic language. The Beja language is then followed by the Afar-Saho language.

The Somali language is too diverse and that’s the reason why it’s not included in the list after Afar-Saho (my own theory). The North Somali dialect clusters with Afar-Saho but then you have Somali dialects like Af Tunni, Af Garre etc. that do not cluster with Afar-Saho.

The Somali Peninsula was inhabited by Paleolithic Hunter Gatherers who went extinct. They were conquered by incoming Cushitic migrants most likely South Cushites and then East Cushites pushed the South Cushites further south. There are some Somali individuals from south Somalia and NFD (Kenya) carrying the signature haplogroup of the South Cushites (E-M293).
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Xildiiid wrote: Mon Nov 11, 2019 8:24 pm
MidriGeez wrote: Mon Nov 11, 2019 2:08 pm
Xildiiid wrote: Fri Nov 08, 2019 1:17 pm There could be some truth to it. There’s a connection between predynastic Egypt and Mesopotamia. According to ancient Egyptian mythology, the first dynasty of Egypt was established by the Falcon tribe of Horus who are believed to be of Mesopotamian origin. The Gebel el-Arak knife, dating back 5450 years i.e predynastic Egypt, shows a Mesopotamian king controlling two lions possibly representing upper and lower Egypt and on the backside of the handle there’s an image of a battlefield.

Somalis and Beja have a genetic connection, not just haplogroups, but on whole genome analysis and one study indicates that the Somali-Beja split happened around 3400 years ago for the Somali-Hadendoa (Beja) and 3700 for Somali-Beni Amer (Beja/Tigre).

This confirms the proposed theory that the ancestor of Somalis, the proto Somalis, migrated from what is today south Egypt/North Sudan through Eritrea, where they stayed for some time, before making another migration along the Red Sea coast into the Somali Peninsula.

A side note, a study done by Steele et al. have also demonstrated that northern Somalis have a slightly higher percentage of Eurasian DNA than south Somalis and Abyssinian groups without any recent influx of foreign DNA. This could be the result of genetic isolation and if that’s the case then the northern Somalis are the modern representatives of the proto Somalis.

However it could also come from South Cushites who possibly inhabited the Somali Peninsula before the proto Somalis.The people depicted on Las Geel are most likely South Cushites and they were 60-65% West Eurasian.
i agree with your assessment, to add to that as well the new kingdom of Egypt 18th,19th and 20th dynasty rulers/pharaohs had a mother tongue which was not Ancient Egyptians but close to it. the new kingdom came from the south and kicked out the Hyksos rulers of Egypt who were from syria and the last ruler was the 17th dynasty. I visited some sites near aswan and luxor with someone who was a bisharin Beja who are officially the only recognised decedents of the new kingdom egypt by the state of egypt. he took me to old closed temples and he was reading the holographic to me and told me what they were saying on the wall, i was shocked and not surprised in the same time.

those temples has been closed for more than 30 years for "renovation" but the truth is the Egyptian government do not want the world to see as many westerners can read it these days and notice what it says. basically what it said on the wall is all the new kingdom pharaohs attribute their origin to the southern land "Ta seti" which was East sudan+Eritrea+djbouti+northern part of somalia. He told me their native tongue was a language which is what he believes to be the proto type language which beja+afar split from.

The guy literraly showed me word by word and translated it wall after wall and everything pointing to the south, he told me Ancient Egyptians was a secondary language to them and the main language was a language from the land of Ta seti. Now Ta seti split later to the northern part "Medjay" East sudan + northern Eritrea, and the southern Part "Punt" which is rest of Eritrea + djbouti and northern somali. Medjay=Beja and Punt=Afar/saho. i remember he read an inscription once which said that in military meetings they all spoke with that "southern language" to make sure the hyksos who some remained in egypt and lived among the population could not spy on them as the danger from"syria" was always not finished with.

Those Bisharin Beja are amazing wallahi any somali in here who might visit egypt in the future go to towns like Luxor and aswan. forget about the noba people just look for Bisharin Beja and tell them you are somali and watch how they would see you as a family member who have not seen you in years. their features you sense like horner living in south egypt.

In regards to south cushites in the somali peninsula maybe they mixed with the incoming cushites waves coming at a later dates or maybe groups like the omotic tribes have link with them who lives in southern/western Ethiopia.
According to linguists, the Beja language is the most conservative form of Cushitic meaning that it contains minimal changes and therefore the closest to the original Cushitic language. The Beja language is then followed by the Afar-Saho language.

The Somali language is too diverse and that’s the reason why it’s not included in the list after Afar-Saho (my own theory). The North Somali dialect clusters with Afar-Saho but then you have Somali dialects like Af Tunni, Af Garre etc. that do not cluster with Afar-Saho.

The Somali Peninsula was inhabited by Paleolithic Hunter Gatherers who went extinct. They were conquered by incoming Cushitic migrants most likely South Cushites and then East Cushites pushed the South Cushites further south. There are some Somali individuals from south Somalia and NFD (Kenya) carrying the signature haplogroup of the South Cushites (E-M293).
"Af-Garre" is not a Somali dialect.

Also, "Af-Tunni" is more relevant as an academic venture than anything else. It is literally just Af-Maay with a different pronunciation like how Abgal could pronounce differently to reer Mudug or reer Waqooyi.

Almost all Tunni speak "Af-Baraawe" also known as Chimwini. It is 100% a Swahili dialect.

"Af-Garre" is also literally the Borana Oromo tongue spoken by the Garre of Mandera who have been culturally assimilated by the Borana that surround them.

In both cases, the two languages are officially known as Chimwini (Swahili dialect) and Borana (Oromo dialect).

Neither is part of the "Somali language."

That they are known as "Af-Garre" and "Af-Baraawe" is only because of their sheer unfamiliarity to Somalis who styled the tongues after the groups among them who speak it.
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Re: Somali History as told by a Eritrean Saho elder

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Canuck2 wrote: Mon Nov 11, 2019 4:22 pm
MidriGeez wrote: Mon Nov 11, 2019 3:02 pm
Canuck2 wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2019 11:56 am


And where they (saho & afar) are today !!!! Under feet of habashis speaking their languages while Somalis have 2 countries in the horn. Listen dude it seems that survival is for fittest & Somalis won the battle of fittest. Somalia is only Cushite country after fall of kingdom Cush.
Djbouti was never a somali land but afar but like i said in this forum 7 years ago those Issa clowns will be wiped out and their days is coming. Afar in djbouti will take power i guarantee you that very soon. have you been paying attention lately? Mr ismail is going to run with his money and the issa will be rwanda 2.0.

You see i said that 7 years ago and people laughed at me in here especially with the border issue while the issa were serving their habesh tigrayan master. Now that oromo got the power who the hell do you think are moving them to clear them out from ethiopia first then djbouti next. remember the tigrayan generals getting killed recently??? who do you think that is behind it??? Mr ismali Gulleh knows we are coming for him and his issa comrades how many times The Issa have betrayed Eritrea and the afars. you watch Oromo will take over Issa land+influence in Ethiopia and they will be a second class in djbouti soon. This is what i was saying 7-8 years ago here it is not a race but a marathon and tigray and their Issa slaves are in it for a very tough future. we will make sure those 2 the master and the slave are never in power ever again to disturb their neighbours.


"If wishes were horses, beggars would ride" Kkkkkkkk, keep dreaming dude.
Hahahahaha we will see, i will pray for you to have a long life so i would remind you when it happens. I already saved your reply for record purposes.
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Canuck2 wrote: Mon Nov 11, 2019 4:28 pm
MidriGeez wrote: Mon Nov 11, 2019 3:12 pm
Jabuutawi wrote: Sun Nov 10, 2019 2:57 pm Lol at Afars being nicer than Habashis or Oromos. They just don't have the numbers (3-4 million worldwide) to make hay. We are keeping these fuckers at bay. They have coalesced into one (Afar Liyu police, militia from Eritrea, militia from Ethiopia) jabhad, or militia, fighting against Ciise nomads in western Sitti. Even Ethiopia's federal troops side with them.

Everyday scores of them meet their maker earlier than they anticipated.

As for Somalinimo, fuck that shit! Cid uso gurmanaysow Ciiseha ku nool galbeedka Sitti usayn Ciise kalay ahayn majiro...so, yeah, fuck Somalis! Ciise uu isku filanyahay.
You have to understand one thing, some of the most elites in The eritrean army are afar/saho, infact one of the most famous brigades and most experienced is mainly made up of afar/saho and they were the one that stopped the Ethiopian special forces moving into asseb in 1999-2000 near Buya close to djbouti borders. The afar in the eritrean army would east the Issa for breakfast Trust me they are trained to the core and mostly have experinced the 1998-2000 war with ethiopia the Issa goat herders with a rusted AK47 will be no match for them. forget about the djboutian army all they do is eat khat and sleep they do not know what fighting is let alone a war. They can't even handle few oromo militia and are crying all over the internet.

Afar are just foot soldiers in Eritrean army, & whole army is ran by Christian Tigray(whatever they called themselves), majority of Muslim afar ran to refugee camps in Sudan & to Saudi crying & begging with Muslim card. Spread your lies somewhere else.

I have met afars in the Eritrean army, they would eat Issa djboutian soldiers for breakfast. On another note you heard about the problems in Ethiopia around the Issa/oromo/afar triangle which there is alot of problems. If you happen to go to some afar towns you would find some Eritrean afar "advisors" who in reality are from the Eritrean defense force can you smell what the future is brewing for the Issa there??
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Canuck2 wrote: Mon Nov 11, 2019 5:24 pm Small note about afar so revolt in Djibouti:
1) it is funded & planned by Emirates (anybody can check their newspapers since last year & they were predicting this revolution).
2) if afar took over Djibouti, the Somali businesses & wealth will leave Djibouti(they are connected to khader First Lady) Wait for financial sector to collapse.
3) Emirates wants to destroy Djibouti’s port like they have done in Aden.
4) the Chinese will be kicked out of Djibouti & bye to Singapore of Horn.
5) Somalis in Djibouti will fight back, get ready for civil war & Emirates will play everyone & some parts & states will demand separation like in Yemen.
6) Chinese will leave easily but they will support Somalis against afar. (Proxy wars will start in Djibouti)
7) last Eritrea will try to annex more land while Djiboutians are killing each other.
Follow Yemen news & you will see your future.

1) Correct.
2) Correct. But who cares when the Emirati is gonna cover the collapse and throw few billions there.
3) 100 % correct. (They did that to asseb as well In Eritrea)
4) No one cares about the chinese and djbouti becoming singapore of the horn. The problem is Issa gotta go.
5) No way somali will fight for Issa, who? Darood? somali land? hawiya????? This is much bigger than qabil war the order comes from the highest level ( Yahud through Emirati and America)
6) Chinese will not engage in a direct fight against Eritrea + Ethiopia + Uganda + Sudan + Kenya and through proxy vs Isreal + Emirates and America for Issa Somali, sorry but Issa Somali are not god chosen people.
7) Eritrea will not annex Djbouti Land, Eritrea will install Red sea Afar is rulers and giving back their country and land, Imagine that Eritrea helping the afar to reclaim their nation they might even rename some of the major streets and the airport with Eritrea :P
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MidriGeez wrote: Tue Nov 12, 2019 12:50 pm
Canuck2 wrote: Mon Nov 11, 2019 4:28 pm
MidriGeez wrote: Mon Nov 11, 2019 3:12 pm

You have to understand one thing, some of the most elites in The eritrean army are afar/saho, infact one of the most famous brigades and most experienced is mainly made up of afar/saho and they were the one that stopped the Ethiopian special forces moving into asseb in 1999-2000 near Buya close to djbouti borders. The afar in the eritrean army would east the Issa for breakfast Trust me they are trained to the core and mostly have experinced the 1998-2000 war with ethiopia the Issa goat herders with a rusted AK47 will be no match for them. forget about the djboutian army all they do is eat khat and sleep they do not know what fighting is let alone a war. They can't even handle few oromo militia and are crying all over the internet.

Afar are just foot soldiers in Eritrean army, & whole army is ran by Christian Tigray(whatever they called themselves), majority of Muslim afar ran to refugee camps in Sudan & to Saudi crying & begging with Muslim card. Spread your lies somewhere else.

I have met afars in the Eritrean army, they would eat Issa djboutian soldiers for breakfast. On another note you heard about the problems in Ethiopia around the Issa/oromo/afar triangle which there is alot of problems. If you happen to go to some afar towns you would find some Eritrean afar "advisors" who in reality are from the Eritrean defense force can you smell what the future is brewing for the Issa there??
are you christian ?
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Jabuutawi wrote: Mon Nov 11, 2019 6:58 pm The weakest ethnic group in the Horn after Adaris are Danakils/ Afars, not to mention the hideous culture of sharing wives among villagers. Do you want me to expose you some more?

You are no more than 100k in Djibouti, if at that, and if it were not for the Ethio federal troops, we will be doing Harimadee in Samara, your capital.
But there are more than a million of them in Eritrea, mostly young age too. There are more than 60k Afari male in the Eritrean defense force some of them in the Elite force too. when the cross the border and join their kin in djbouti Those speed boats better be ready for the Issa to flee to yemen. :mrgreen:
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Jabuutawi wrote: Mon Nov 11, 2019 6:58 pm The weakest ethnic group in the Horn after Adaris are Danakils/ Afars, not to mention the hideous culture of sharing wives among villagers. Do you want me to expose you some more?

You are no more than 100k in Djibouti, if at that, and if it were not for the Ethio federal troops, we will be doing Harimadee in Samara, your capital.
But there are more than a million of them in Eritrea, mostly young age too. There are more than 60k Afari male in the Eritrean defense force some of them in the Elite force too. when the cross the border and join their kin in djbouti Those speed boats better be ready for the Issa to flee to yemen. :mrgreen:
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MidriGeez wrote: Tue Nov 12, 2019 12:59 pm
Canuck2 wrote: Mon Nov 11, 2019 5:24 pm Small note about afar so revolt in Djibouti:
1) it is funded & planned by Emirates (anybody can check their newspapers since last year & they were predicting this revolution).
2) if afar took over Djibouti, the Somali businesses & wealth will leave Djibouti(they are connected to khader First Lady) Wait for financial sector to collapse.
3) Emirates wants to destroy Djibouti’s port like they have done in Aden.
4) the Chinese will be kicked out of Djibouti & bye to Singapore of Horn.
5) Somalis in Djibouti will fight back, get ready for civil war & Emirates will play everyone & some parts & states will demand separation like in Yemen.
6) Chinese will leave easily but they will support Somalis against afar. (Proxy wars will start in Djibouti)
7) last Eritrea will try to annex more land while Djiboutians are killing each other.
Follow Yemen news & you will see your future.

1) Correct.
2) Correct. But who cares when the Emirati is gonna cover the collapse and throw few billions there.
3) 100 % correct. (They did that to asseb as well In Eritrea)
4) No one cares about the chinese and djbouti becoming singapore of the horn. The problem is Issa gotta go.
5) No way somali will fight for Issa, who? Darood? somali land? hawiya????? This is much bigger than qabil war the order comes from the highest level ( Yahud through Emirati and America)
6) Chinese will not engage in a direct fight against Eritrea + Ethiopia + Uganda + Sudan + Kenya and through proxy vs Isreal + Emirates and America for Issa Somali, sorry but Issa Somali are not god chosen people.
7) Eritrea will not annex Djbouti Land, Eritrea will install Red sea Afar is rulers and giving back their country and land, Imagine that Eritrea helping the afar to reclaim their nation they might even rename some of the major streets and the airport with Eritrea :P
Daroods will fight you as they are the brains of Somalis. We know this was coming. Ogaden liyu boolis already stopped you in Sitte. You don't know our tribal ties is deeper than afars. Plus Somalis are more!
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Voltage wrote: Tue Nov 12, 2019 12:32 pm
Xildiiid wrote: Mon Nov 11, 2019 8:24 pm
MidriGeez wrote: Mon Nov 11, 2019 2:08 pm

i agree with your assessment, to add to that as well the new kingdom of Egypt 18th,19th and 20th dynasty rulers/pharaohs had a mother tongue which was not Ancient Egyptians but close to it. the new kingdom came from the south and kicked out the Hyksos rulers of Egypt who were from syria and the last ruler was the 17th dynasty. I visited some sites near aswan and luxor with someone who was a bisharin Beja who are officially the only recognised decedents of the new kingdom egypt by the state of egypt. he took me to old closed temples and he was reading the holographic to me and told me what they were saying on the wall, i was shocked and not surprised in the same time.

those temples has been closed for more than 30 years for "renovation" but the truth is the Egyptian government do not want the world to see as many westerners can read it these days and notice what it says. basically what it said on the wall is all the new kingdom pharaohs attribute their origin to the southern land "Ta seti" which was East sudan+Eritrea+djbouti+northern part of somalia. He told me their native tongue was a language which is what he believes to be the proto type language which beja+afar split from.

The guy literraly showed me word by word and translated it wall after wall and everything pointing to the south, he told me Ancient Egyptians was a secondary language to them and the main language was a language from the land of Ta seti. Now Ta seti split later to the northern part "Medjay" East sudan + northern Eritrea, and the southern Part "Punt" which is rest of Eritrea + djbouti and northern somali. Medjay=Beja and Punt=Afar/saho. i remember he read an inscription once which said that in military meetings they all spoke with that "southern language" to make sure the hyksos who some remained in egypt and lived among the population could not spy on them as the danger from"syria" was always not finished with.

Those Bisharin Beja are amazing wallahi any somali in here who might visit egypt in the future go to towns like Luxor and aswan. forget about the noba people just look for Bisharin Beja and tell them you are somali and watch how they would see you as a family member who have not seen you in years. their features you sense like horner living in south egypt.

In regards to south cushites in the somali peninsula maybe they mixed with the incoming cushites waves coming at a later dates or maybe groups like the omotic tribes have link with them who lives in southern/western Ethiopia.
According to linguists, the Beja language is the most conservative form of Cushitic meaning that it contains minimal changes and therefore the closest to the original Cushitic language. The Beja language is then followed by the Afar-Saho language.

The Somali language is too diverse and that’s the reason why it’s not included in the list after Afar-Saho (my own theory). The North Somali dialect clusters with Afar-Saho but then you have Somali dialects like Af Tunni, Af Garre etc. that do not cluster with Afar-Saho.

The Somali Peninsula was inhabited by Paleolithic Hunter Gatherers who went extinct. They were conquered by incoming Cushitic migrants most likely South Cushites and then East Cushites pushed the South Cushites further south. There are some Somali individuals from south Somalia and NFD (Kenya) carrying the signature haplogroup of the South Cushites (E-M293).
"Af-Garre" is not a Somali dialect.

Also, "Af-Tunni" is more relevant as an academic venture than anything else. It is literally just Af-Maay with a different pronunciation like how Abgal could pronounce differently to reer Mudug or reer Waqooyi.

Almost all Tunni speak "Af-Baraawe" also known as Chimwini. It is 100% a Swahili dialect.

"Af-Garre" is also literally the Borana Oromo tongue spoken by the Garre of Mandera who have been culturally assimilated by the Borana that surround them.

In both cases, the two languages are officially known as Chimwini (Swahili dialect) and Borana (Oromo dialect).

Neither is part of the "Somali language."

That they are known as "Af-Garre" and "Af-Baraawe" is only because of their sheer unfamiliarity to Somalis who styled the tongues after the groups among them who speak it.

As usual you don’t know what you’re talking about. Garre dialect spoken in Somalia is the true ‘Af Garre’ and it is closer to Tunni and other similar dialects that fall under the May umbrella. ‘Af Garre’ spoken in Ethiopia and NFD is a Garre dialect of Borana.

For the Maxa dialect the standard form is Northern Somali. Cemented by linguist Marcelo Lambertis extensive field study. The northern Somali dialect, according to linguists, cluster with the Afar-Saho branch. As I mentioned before Beja and Afar-Saho are the most conservative forms of Cushitic and thus closest to the original proto Cushitic language.
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Xildiiid wrote: Mon Nov 11, 2019 8:24 pm
MidriGeez wrote: Mon Nov 11, 2019 2:08 pm
Xildiiid wrote: Fri Nov 08, 2019 1:17 pm There could be some truth to it. There’s a connection between predynastic Egypt and Mesopotamia. According to ancient Egyptian mythology, the first dynasty of Egypt was established by the Falcon tribe of Horus who are believed to be of Mesopotamian origin. The Gebel el-Arak knife, dating back 5450 years i.e predynastic Egypt, shows a Mesopotamian king controlling two lions possibly representing upper and lower Egypt and on the backside of the handle there’s an image of a battlefield.

Somalis and Beja have a genetic connection, not just haplogroups, but on whole genome analysis and one study indicates that the Somali-Beja split happened around 3400 years ago for the Somali-Hadendoa (Beja) and 3700 for Somali-Beni Amer (Beja/Tigre).

This confirms the proposed theory that the ancestor of Somalis, the proto Somalis, migrated from what is today south Egypt/North Sudan through Eritrea, where they stayed for some time, before making another migration along the Red Sea coast into the Somali Peninsula.

A side note, a study done by Steele et al. have also demonstrated that northern Somalis have a slightly higher percentage of Eurasian DNA than south Somalis and Abyssinian groups without any recent influx of foreign DNA. This could be the result of genetic isolation and if that’s the case then the northern Somalis are the modern representatives of the proto Somalis.

However it could also come from South Cushites who possibly inhabited the Somali Peninsula before the proto Somalis.The people depicted on Las Geel are most likely South Cushites and they were 60-65% West Eurasian.
i agree with your assessment, to add to that as well the new kingdom of Egypt 18th,19th and 20th dynasty rulers/pharaohs had a mother tongue which was not Ancient Egyptians but close to it. the new kingdom came from the south and kicked out the Hyksos rulers of Egypt who were from syria and the last ruler was the 17th dynasty. I visited some sites near aswan and luxor with someone who was a bisharin Beja who are officially the only recognised decedents of the new kingdom egypt by the state of egypt. he took me to old closed temples and he was reading the holographic to me and told me what they were saying on the wall, i was shocked and not surprised in the same time.

those temples has been closed for more than 30 years for "renovation" but the truth is the Egyptian government do not want the world to see as many westerners can read it these days and notice what it says. basically what it said on the wall is all the new kingdom pharaohs attribute their origin to the southern land "Ta seti" which was East sudan+Eritrea+djbouti+northern part of somalia. He told me their native tongue was a language which is what he believes to be the proto type language which beja+afar split from.

The guy literraly showed me word by word and translated it wall after wall and everything pointing to the south, he told me Ancient Egyptians was a secondary language to them and the main language was a language from the land of Ta seti. Now Ta seti split later to the northern part "Medjay" East sudan + northern Eritrea, and the southern Part "Punt" which is rest of Eritrea + djbouti and northern somali. Medjay=Beja and Punt=Afar/saho. i remember he read an inscription once which said that in military meetings they all spoke with that "southern language" to make sure the hyksos who some remained in egypt and lived among the population could not spy on them as the danger from"syria" was always not finished with.

Those Bisharin Beja are amazing wallahi any somali in here who might visit egypt in the future go to towns like Luxor and aswan. forget about the noba people just look for Bisharin Beja and tell them you are somali and watch how they would see you as a family member who have not seen you in years. their features you sense like horner living in south egypt.

In regards to south cushites in the somali peninsula maybe they mixed with the incoming cushites waves coming at a later dates or maybe groups like the omotic tribes have link with them who lives in southern/western Ethiopia.
According to linguists, the Beja language is the most conservative form of Cushitic meaning that it contains minimal changes and therefore the closest to the original Cushitic language. The Beja language is then followed by the Afar-Saho language.

The Somali language is too diverse and that’s the reason why it’s not included in the list after Afar-Saho (my own theory). The North Somali dialect clusters with Afar-Saho but then you have Somali dialects like Af Tunni, Af Garre etc. that do not cluster with Afar-Saho.

The Somali Peninsula was inhabited by Paleolithic Hunter Gatherers who went extinct. They were conquered by incoming Cushitic migrants most likely South Cushites and then East Cushites pushed the South Cushites further south. There are some Somali individuals from south Somalia and NFD (Kenya) carrying the signature haplogroup of the South Cushites (E-M293).
Hmmm interesting, do you think the san people might have lived near there at some point and were pushed by cushites migration to the area. Some of those San people look a bit somali/Tutsi to me. On another note i was speaking to a Fijian friend of mine and he told me they came from an area called teganaki (present day tanzania) thousands of years ago. He said that they were hunter gatherer and they have close genetic and feature connection with the herrero and Nama people in Namibia. I checked and they do look similar in features. so my understanding that area between Somalia and Tanzania was a bit crowded before the Bantu arrived there.
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Xildiiid wrote: Mon Nov 11, 2019 8:24 pm
MidriGeez wrote: Mon Nov 11, 2019 2:08 pm
Xildiiid wrote: Fri Nov 08, 2019 1:17 pm There could be some truth to it. There’s a connection between predynastic Egypt and Mesopotamia. According to ancient Egyptian mythology, the first dynasty of Egypt was established by the Falcon tribe of Horus who are believed to be of Mesopotamian origin. The Gebel el-Arak knife, dating back 5450 years i.e predynastic Egypt, shows a Mesopotamian king controlling two lions possibly representing upper and lower Egypt and on the backside of the handle there’s an image of a battlefield.

Somalis and Beja have a genetic connection, not just haplogroups, but on whole genome analysis and one study indicates that the Somali-Beja split happened around 3400 years ago for the Somali-Hadendoa (Beja) and 3700 for Somali-Beni Amer (Beja/Tigre).

This confirms the proposed theory that the ancestor of Somalis, the proto Somalis, migrated from what is today south Egypt/North Sudan through Eritrea, where they stayed for some time, before making another migration along the Red Sea coast into the Somali Peninsula.

A side note, a study done by Steele et al. have also demonstrated that northern Somalis have a slightly higher percentage of Eurasian DNA than south Somalis and Abyssinian groups without any recent influx of foreign DNA. This could be the result of genetic isolation and if that’s the case then the northern Somalis are the modern representatives of the proto Somalis.

However it could also come from South Cushites who possibly inhabited the Somali Peninsula before the proto Somalis.The people depicted on Las Geel are most likely South Cushites and they were 60-65% West Eurasian.
i agree with your assessment, to add to that as well the new kingdom of Egypt 18th,19th and 20th dynasty rulers/pharaohs had a mother tongue which was not Ancient Egyptians but close to it. the new kingdom came from the south and kicked out the Hyksos rulers of Egypt who were from syria and the last ruler was the 17th dynasty. I visited some sites near aswan and luxor with someone who was a bisharin Beja who are officially the only recognised decedents of the new kingdom egypt by the state of egypt. he took me to old closed temples and he was reading the holographic to me and told me what they were saying on the wall, i was shocked and not surprised in the same time.

those temples has been closed for more than 30 years for "renovation" but the truth is the Egyptian government do not want the world to see as many westerners can read it these days and notice what it says. basically what it said on the wall is all the new kingdom pharaohs attribute their origin to the southern land "Ta seti" which was East sudan+Eritrea+djbouti+northern part of somalia. He told me their native tongue was a language which is what he believes to be the proto type language which beja+afar split from.

The guy literraly showed me word by word and translated it wall after wall and everything pointing to the south, he told me Ancient Egyptians was a secondary language to them and the main language was a language from the land of Ta seti. Now Ta seti split later to the northern part "Medjay" East sudan + northern Eritrea, and the southern Part "Punt" which is rest of Eritrea + djbouti and northern somali. Medjay=Beja and Punt=Afar/saho. i remember he read an inscription once which said that in military meetings they all spoke with that "southern language" to make sure the hyksos who some remained in egypt and lived among the population could not spy on them as the danger from"syria" was always not finished with.

Those Bisharin Beja are amazing wallahi any somali in here who might visit egypt in the future go to towns like Luxor and aswan. forget about the noba people just look for Bisharin Beja and tell them you are somali and watch how they would see you as a family member who have not seen you in years. their features you sense like horner living in south egypt.

In regards to south cushites in the somali peninsula maybe they mixed with the incoming cushites waves coming at a later dates or maybe groups like the omotic tribes have link with them who lives in southern/western Ethiopia.
According to linguists, the Beja language is the most conservative form of Cushitic meaning that it contains minimal changes and therefore the closest to the original Cushitic language. The Beja language is then followed by the Afar-Saho language.

The Somali language is too diverse and that’s the reason why it’s not included in the list after Afar-Saho (my own theory). The North Somali dialect clusters with Afar-Saho but then you have Somali dialects like Af Tunni, Af Garre etc. that do not cluster with Afar-Saho.

The Somali Peninsula was inhabited by Paleolithic Hunter Gatherers who went extinct. They were conquered by incoming Cushitic migrants most likely South Cushites and then East Cushites pushed the South Cushites further south. There are some Somali individuals from south Somalia and NFD (Kenya) carrying the signature haplogroup of the South Cushites (E-M293).
Hmmm interesting, do you think the san people might have lived near there at some point and were pushed by cushites migration to the area. Some of those San people look a bit somali/Tutsi to me. On another note i was speaking to a Fijian friend of mine and he told me they came from an area called teganaki (present day tanzania) thousands of years ago. He said that they were hunter gatherer and they have close genetic and feature connection with the herrero and Nama people in Namibia. I checked and they do look similar in features. so my understanding that area between Somalia and Tanzania was a bit crowded before the Bantu arrived there.
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dalalos101 wrote: Tue Nov 12, 2019 1:02 pm
MidriGeez wrote: Tue Nov 12, 2019 12:50 pm
Canuck2 wrote: Mon Nov 11, 2019 4:28 pm


Afar are just foot soldiers in Eritrean army, & whole army is ran by Christian Tigray(whatever they called themselves), majority of Muslim afar ran to refugee camps in Sudan & to Saudi crying & begging with Muslim card. Spread your lies somewhere else.

I have met afars in the Eritrean army, they would eat Issa djboutian soldiers for breakfast. On another note you heard about the problems in Ethiopia around the Issa/oromo/afar triangle which there is alot of problems. If you happen to go to some afar towns you would find some Eritrean afar "advisors" who in reality are from the Eritrean defense force can you smell what the future is brewing for the Issa there??
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Xildiiid wrote: Tue Nov 12, 2019 1:08 pm
Voltage wrote: Tue Nov 12, 2019 12:32 pm
Xildiiid wrote: Mon Nov 11, 2019 8:24 pm

According to linguists, the Beja language is the most conservative form of Cushitic meaning that it contains minimal changes and therefore the closest to the original Cushitic language. The Beja language is then followed by the Afar-Saho language.

The Somali language is too diverse and that’s the reason why it’s not included in the list after Afar-Saho (my own theory). The North Somali dialect clusters with Afar-Saho but then you have Somali dialects like Af Tunni, Af Garre etc. that do not cluster with Afar-Saho.

The Somali Peninsula was inhabited by Paleolithic Hunter Gatherers who went extinct. They were conquered by incoming Cushitic migrants most likely South Cushites and then East Cushites pushed the South Cushites further south. There are some Somali individuals from south Somalia and NFD (Kenya) carrying the signature haplogroup of the South Cushites (E-M293).
"Af-Garre" is not a Somali dialect.

Also, "Af-Tunni" is more relevant as an academic venture than anything else. It is literally just Af-Maay with a different pronunciation like how Abgal could pronounce differently to reer Mudug or reer Waqooyi.

Almost all Tunni speak "Af-Baraawe" also known as Chimwini. It is 100% a Swahili dialect.

"Af-Garre" is also literally the Borana Oromo tongue spoken by the Garre of Mandera who have been culturally assimilated by the Borana that surround them.

In both cases, the two languages are officially known as Chimwini (Swahili dialect) and Borana (Oromo dialect).

Neither is part of the "Somali language."

That they are known as "Af-Garre" and "Af-Baraawe" is only because of their sheer unfamiliarity to Somalis who styled the tongues after the groups among them who speak it.

As usual you don’t know what you’re talking about. Garre dialect spoken in Somalia is the true ‘Af Garre’ and it is closer to Tunni and other similar dialects that fall under the May umbrella. ‘Af Garre’ spoken in Ethiopia and NFD is a Garre dialect of Borana.

For the Maxa dialect the standard form is Northern Somali. Cemented by linguist Marcelo Lambertis extensive field study. The northern Somali dialect, according to linguists, cluster with the Afar-Saho branch. As I mentioned before Beja and Afar-Saho are the most conservative form is Cushitic and thus closest to the original proto Cushitic language.
Its a bit disingenuous to call it northern dialect when it is spoken by majority of Somalis in the south, and it is the standard form of Somali.

Anyway I don't believe this crap that Afar-Saho and Beja have the purest form of cushetic, their language is not even national language of their country, furthermore are we gonna deny the fact that they are strongly influenced by Arabic or habesha languages ?
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ReturnOfMariixmaan wrote: Tue Nov 12, 2019 1:05 pm
MidriGeez wrote: Tue Nov 12, 2019 12:59 pm
Canuck2 wrote: Mon Nov 11, 2019 5:24 pm Small note about afar so revolt in Djibouti:
1) it is funded & planned by Emirates (anybody can check their newspapers since last year & they were predicting this revolution).
2) if afar took over Djibouti, the Somali businesses & wealth will leave Djibouti(they are connected to khader First Lady) Wait for financial sector to collapse.
3) Emirates wants to destroy Djibouti’s port like they have done in Aden.
4) the Chinese will be kicked out of Djibouti & bye to Singapore of Horn.
5) Somalis in Djibouti will fight back, get ready for civil war & Emirates will play everyone & some parts & states will demand separation like in Yemen.
6) Chinese will leave easily but they will support Somalis against afar. (Proxy wars will start in Djibouti)
7) last Eritrea will try to annex more land while Djiboutians are killing each other.
Follow Yemen news & you will see your future.

1) Correct.
2) Correct. But who cares when the Emirati is gonna cover the collapse and throw few billions there.
3) 100 % correct. (They did that to asseb as well In Eritrea)
4) No one cares about the chinese and djbouti becoming singapore of the horn. The problem is Issa gotta go.
5) No way somali will fight for Issa, who? Darood? somali land? hawiya????? This is much bigger than qabil war the order comes from the highest level ( Yahud through Emirati and America)
6) Chinese will not engage in a direct fight against Eritrea + Ethiopia + Uganda + Sudan + Kenya and through proxy vs Isreal + Emirates and America for Issa Somali, sorry but Issa Somali are not god chosen people.
7) Eritrea will not annex Djbouti Land, Eritrea will install Red sea Afar is rulers and giving back their country and land, Imagine that Eritrea helping the afar to reclaim their nation they might even rename some of the major streets and the airport with Eritrea :P
Daroods will fight you as they are the brains of Somalis. We know this was coming. Ogaden liyu boolis already stopped you in Sitte. You don't know our tribal ties is deeper than afars. Plus Somalis are more!

No way Darood would fight us. No way. How you gonna get to djbouti anyway?? Through Somaliland (Isaaq won't let u), Through Ethiopia??? No chance the oromo will stop you. The only way will be on wooden boat and Emirati F16 will be making sure you sink before you even leave Puntland
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