Marehan HAS TO respond VERY SHARPLY to Farmaajo Gov on Abdullahi Hashi Court CHARADE.

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Marehan HAS TO respond VERY SHARPLY to Farmaajo Gov on Abdullahi Hashi Court CHARADE.

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Strangely, it is probably the first time I enthusiastically, even militantly back Nomand.

For context, previous views;
None of that takes away from the actual credit for security reform, financial reform, and the debt relief,etg being this government. And the next government will have these in place so they can bring JUSTICE REFORM (THE NEXT BIG REFORM WAITING IN MY OPINION---OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM IS ABSOLUTELY NONEXISTENT.

All of that is explained by Due Process
Sxb if you have seen me use the word equity then anyone educated in conflict resolution will immediately understand I came to the discussion with complete transparency and interest not in WIN OR LOSE but EQUAL JUSTICE UNDER THE LAW.[/size]
Without DUE PROCESS, there is no justice. NONE.

This very second if someone gets into a car right here where I am and they are inebriated, NO COP CAN ARREST THEM WITHOUT PROBABLE CAUSE. If arrest starts everything in criminal procedure...followed by charges are filed, then arraignment before a Magistrate/Judge, pretrial, trial, sentencing, appeal etc etc etc.

EVEN BEFORE ARREST, THERE HAS TO BE PROBABLE CAUSE.

THAT PROBABLE CAUSE HAS TO REFLECT DUE PROCESS OR EQUALITY BEFORE THE LAW EVERY STEP OF THE WAY.

Even If the cop finds the most damning evidence in the course of the arrest, if it resulted from infringing on my Due Process; if he stopped me WITHOUT legitimate PROBABLE CAUSE---whatever found should legally be impermissible obtained through ILLEGAL SEARCH AND SEIZURE. THE CASE MUST BE DISMISSED. THIS UNEQUIVOCAL AND UNIVERSAL CONCURRENCE MAKES IT THE MOST SUCCESSFUL APPEAL CATEGORY THROUGHOUT CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEMS THE WORLD OVER.

A law is a law when it is applied equally, selective law is Tyranny

The very definition of Discrimination as legal burden is explained that way

So my position is in Somalia today there are three main legal blackholes affecting justice reform

1. The nature of what do about gross human rights abuses in the civil war (aka warlords amd armed combatants)
2. The nature of financial mechanisms underpining the occurrence of the gross human rights abuses (war merchants, war profiteers, human smugglers, traffickers)
3. The nature of endemic, even SYSTEMIC, graft/corruption predicated on the theft of public handouts to Somalia's needy

With all of these, I add the caveat "allegedly'

On the first, it seems we are passive aggressively ignoring closure. Notice I am not even saying accountability. I am saying closure. It is obvious as a people we have decided not to purse the warlords as a criminal matter. That is fine with me, in fact I am of the opinion it is for the best. Well no one sat in official capacity staring directly into the eyes of the nation and has yet told us straight "this is concluded." South Africa forgave too, but south Africa Had Truth and Reconciliation process. This issue is not yet over aka "closed" until we have seen and heard directly a closure.

2. On the second, although it doesn't seem like we are willing to forgive them, they are interestingly not only above the law but they are even almost all ignored as a puplic topicand even float with the political class due to their largess in the underworld. The only exception are thePirates who incidentally are facing foreign courts when caught.

3. Now the last which Mr Hashi is accused of. I am not saying the man is innocent, he may be as guilty as charged---but where is the due process for graft when PUBLIC MONEY is being exchanged right this minute concerning the naming of prime minister. i mean just think about this for a second---and for those who think "well at least HE has been taken" NO. NO YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND EVEN AT A RUDIMENTARY LEVEL WHAT LAW AND JUSTICE IS. THE TAKE AWAY IS THE INVERSE. HASHI SHOULD ACTUALLY BE FREED FROM THAT COMPULSION IF GRAFT IS HAPPENING IN THE SAME GOVERNMENT, IN SYSTEMIC MANNER, AT THE HIGHEST LEVELS WITH IMPUNITY. THE IMPLICATION ISN'T WELL "AT LEAST SOMEONE" ---THE IMPLICATION IS THEN "NO ONE" SHOULD ARBITRARILY BE SUBJECTED INTENTIONALLY TO SELECTIVE COMPULSION. THAT MEANS RHE VIRUS IS BORN WHETHER INCUBATED. TYRANNY NOW HAS AN OBSERVABLE TRAIL FOR LAW WITHOUT DUE PROCESS OR SELECTIVELY APPLIED IS NO LAW AT ALL, IT IS TYRANNY.

WHETHER SUCH A SYSTEM FALLS AGAIN TODAY OR FALLS AGAIN 50 YEARS FROM NOW, WHAT WE SAY CAUSED THE DOWNFALL OF OUR LAST SYSTEM IS ONCE AGAIN STARTING TO INFECT.

Even more profoundly oppressive is the System enforcing the compulsion is AT THIS VERY MOMENT , not only accommodating but facilitating graft at a SYSTEMIC LEVEL.

It is like the town drunk judging public drunkenness.

Again, though we seem to have forgiven them even with or without closure, WARLORDISM HAS STOPPED. There is no place where it is accepted or is in force now let alone is a SYSTEMIC problem. Even with people like Madoobe or others..the effect some guys have is akin to warlordism BUT THEIR LEGITIMACY EMANATES FROM RECOGNIZED PARTICIPATION IN THE POLITICAL PROCESS. THE DISTINCTION IS LEGALLY BINDING.

Graft/corruption on the other hand hasn't stopped. Not only has it not stopped but it is SO SYSTEMIC, SO PERVERSE, SO IN YOUR FACE, AND SO ENTRENCHED AT THE HIGHEST TO THE LOWEST LEVEL

... ANY ATTEMPT OF THAT SAME SYSTEM TO MAKE A MOCKERY OF THE RULE OF LAW BY IMPOSING SELECTIVE COMPULSION IS BY ITS NATURE TYRANNICAL AND OPPRESSIVE.


The only reason the case of Abdullahi Hashi is even possible is because there is one other scapegoat and he just happens to have a different clan which is a mild little dressing on the selective compulsion

YAAQ SADE FUULIN LAWAA🌴

Reer Guuleed Faarax niman maaha haday Abdullahi Xaashi Daarood sow dhacsan waayaan


If Reer Guuleed Faarax can't, then Reer Faarax Ugaas

If Reer Faarax Ugaas fail, then nimanka reer Khalaf Xussein

If Khalaf Xussein fail, then nimanka Maxamed Daauud,

Then nimanka Raad-Amiir, then nimanka Gaal-Shireedle

If Gaalshireedle fails, then waa hawl SADE meel alle meeluu doonaba ha joogee🧨

EQUALITY BEFORE THE LAW, NO TO SELECTIVE LAW
FOR SELECTIVE LAW IS NO LAW AT ALL BUT TYRANNY


HIS MATERNAL GRANDFATHER XAAJI MASSALE CAME TO GEDO ON HORSEBACK HARDLY STOPPING HIS GALLOP

AFTER SPITTING AT ITALIAN COLONIAL DICTATE IMPOSED THROUGH THE ONE 4X4 STONE SHED IN HOBYO THEY CALLED THE HOBYO SULTANATE WHOSE ONLY PURPOSE WAS STORING THE GUNS ITALY USED TO POSSESS THE INTERIOR

XAAJI MASSALE TOLD CALI YUUSUF KEENADIID TO STEP ASIDE WITH THE BARREL OF A STOLEN GUN

THEN HIM AND HIS BAND OF SADE SARMALEY RAIDED THE ENTIRE STOCK

SOMEN THEY THREW TO HABAR GIDIR ON THE PATH OF THEIR RUN TO MAREHAN COUNTRY WHERE XAAJI MASSALE DROPPED THE REST ON MAREHAN AND SAID

"I DON'T WANT TOEVER HEAR ANY OF YOU HAVE BEEN CONVERTED EVEN IF THEY CONVERT THE WHOLE LAND"

THAT WAS THE LAST DAY ANY ITALIAN SOLDIER OR OFFICIAL ENTERED CARRO MAREEXAAN WITHOUT SENDING AN EMISSARY A FORTNIGHT IN ADVANCE---THE ONLY SOMALI CLAN ACCORDED THAT DEFFERENCE IN THE ENTIRE PENINSULA

SADE ACTED IN THAT MAN WHO STOOD THAT DAY AS XAAJI MASSALE

HIM AND THE BRIGANDS THEN GOT ON THEIR HORSES AND HARDLY STOPPED EVEN FOR WATER IN THEIR GALLOP TO DIIRHARA, OR THE LARGE CAMEL GRAZING PLATEAU BETWEEN GARBAHAARAY AND LUUQ TO GO JOIN THE GALTI MIGRATION


NO BLOOD OF XAAJI MASSALE IS GOING TO BE SELECTIVELY COMPELLED IN THESE SAND DUNES OF SOMALIA,

ACCUSATION IS FAIR, BUT YOU DARN WELL GOING TO APPLY THE SAME STANDARD TO THE SAME ACCUSING SYSTEM

THE ONLY REASON IT EVEN COULD HAPPEN IS BECAUSE OF THE REER SHIIL, CABDILLE ALLAMAGAN PRESIDENT AND I THINK HE MADE A GRAVE MISTAKE ON THIS ONE WITH ALL DUE RESPECT TO VILLA SOMALIA

FARMAAJO DOESN'T LIKE MAREHAN TAKING ADVANTAGE OF HIM, WELL HE SHOULDN'T TAKE ADVANTAGE OF MAREHAN

BECAUSE UNDER NO OTHER "LEADER" WOULD SELECTIVELY LYNCHING MAREHAN STAND

HE IS A SOMALI PRESIDENT RIGHT, NOT A MAREHAN PRESIDENT I HEARD.

WELL MAREHAN IS A SOMALI CLAN, NOT A PRESIDENT'S CLAN

AND WE DARN WELL EXPECT AT THE MINIMUM THE SAME TREATMENT AS ALL OTHER CLANS

NOT A PENNY LESS
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Well said sxb, I unequivocally agree and have long held the position that Dr.Hashi was directly put into this position due to Farmaajo going to great lengths in terms of 'appearing' just but has targeted us and held us to a standard no other community is held to. However this move went too far and we will not stand for this " selective justice" especially in a region where criminals that are documented to have committed inhumane acts are still given special status and freedoms. There has been no evidence, due process or viable deliberations that went into this judgement and thus it is null and void. This video gives details on what has happened in this matter.

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UgaaskaBarakaysan wrote: Tue Aug 25, 2020 5:20 pm Well said sxb, I unequivocally agree and have long held the position that Dr.Hashi was directly put into this position due to Farmaajo going to great lengths in terms of 'appearing' just but has targeted us and held us to a standard no other community is held to. However this move went too far and we will not stand for this " selective justice" especially in a region where criminals that are documented to have committed inhumane acts are still given special status and freedoms. There has been no evidence, due process or viable deliberations that went into this judgement and thus it is null and void. This video gives details on what has happened in this matter.

Just watched the video. I don't care about Marehan individual being prosecuted about crimes they committed. But if this story is really true then he deserves to be released immediately. I wish they would put Fartaag and Ina Sayid in his shoes. Evil doings, and the justice system needs to be stripped down and rebuild from a clean slate. Sad story.

I need to keep up with this guy journey.
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Ximan,

I agree with you. But we shouldn't do this by ourselves is the only qualm I have with this particular situation.
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Reer diini on reer diini crimes.

He is your sacrificial lamb.
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Who could have thought Farmaajo will wage war against Maraxaan. Mx did not speak up when he singled out janan. He has got bolder now against Mx only
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Faramaajo reminds of the Adali nacas marehan un bu ufeera weynyahay

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Smile-LiKe-SuN-RiSE wrote: Wed Aug 26, 2020 1:42 pm Faramaajo reminds of the Adali nacas marehan un bu ufeera weynyahay

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I am like Farmaajo what an extremely favorable comparison, I will take it as a compliment.

But fortunately I am not the President of Somalia, nor would I wish such a position, I am a business man and dwell in politics and social issues as a think-tank, which means I am openly and unequivocally Marehanist to the core, I am for the interest of Beesha Sade full stop, those alive today and future generation yet to be born, the geeljire and the city dweller, the farmer and the merchant alike, across all the lands of Sade and including those abroad.

What you meant as an insult is to me very flattering, no need to insult you, I have personal family members and close friends for Beesha Sade who are mucarad, I I do however take issue with your slander, I don't go around attacking MX members unlike you, I challenge ideas and people meant to represent us but that seem to be enough for you to attack me, oh dear :lol:
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First time I agree with Voltage, also Janan shouldnt have been arrested but bought off him and his men. Sade blood is valuable and shouldnt be spilt for nonsense.
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As per our constitution, no Skinny of the ruling clan (Ilkoyar in this instance) should, under no circumstance, be liable for any alleged crime he may stand accused of.
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barbarossa wrote: Wed Aug 26, 2020 5:43 pm As per our constitution, no Skinny of the ruling clan (Ilkoyar in this instance) should, under no circumstance, be liable for any alleged crime he may stand accused of.
says who ? the vast majority of MX members on this forum and IRL agree with me, don't sully our name due to a few loose cannons on this forum, this thread is embarrassing, this corrupt official was illegally detained by Kheyre as an Ace up his sleeve to be used against Farmaajo in collaboration with mucarad from Farmaajo's own Rer Dalal Juffo, but do we know Farmaajo to lose to such primitive moves, the answer is no !

couple of months back they had politicized a legal issue to such a level that something had to give, heck they even made it a MX vs Farmaajo issue from clan perspective, I know this because I looked into it, the main culprits are politician and business groups who are backing Hashi from Farmaajo's own juffo Rer Dalal because they want to get rid of Farmaajo, they are mucarad ever since Cabdullahi Canood was relieved of his duties as General in the army, even they distanced themselves from Hashi case ever since he was released from the illegal detainment Kheyre put him in, and Kheyre being fired they lost their main co-conspirator. It was a couple of months back when they were flooding social media with his release campaign and staging demonstration in Caabudwaaq, conviently ignoring the Kheyre who held him in his basement and only targeting Farmaajo. Farmaajo resolved it by actually getting involved, but it he didn't let him go free, he handed him over to the justice system to receive a trial, and the rest is history.

Thats what I learned from looking into the case, I also learned the guy actually stole funds meant for Gedo covid-19 response, why would MX defend a guy who is stealing emergency relief from MX, its just pure deceptive politics and nothing to do with Beesha Barakaysan who are the actual victims of this man, especially those in Gedo, Bardheere in particular.


Last but not least, from an NGM perspective, I want to see anyone who steals funding meant for MX region to be made an example of, not just because of the obvious, but I want to see more examples of good for nothing officials investing in Mog and ignoring their home region feel uncomfortable in Mog when they see familiar faces and acquaintances they probably do business with get locked up, it should be a lesson for them to invest in their home region.
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Dr Hashi earned his MD from Rome, Italy in 87' when most of the so called "leaders" of today were either rearing donkey's or teaching quranic school. His reputation won't be sullied for a measly couple thousand that was "allegedly" funneled. There has been no evidence provided in this matter just a shady verdict from some kangaroo court that can't even return people's properties from looters. We will stay posted on this matter and have it resolved. Nothing less nothing more will be accepted.


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He should be banned from this section just for trying to sully his name. This case was too high profile which ironically under any functioning justice system would have been deferred for trial until it died down a bit. It was biased from the beginning.

My hope is Reer Guuleed Faarax are working on something diligently. Reer Axmed should have a blueprint for how they got Janan out.
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