debate on Hishabelle power sharing

[sahal80]

1:17:20 midkaan xundubeey naftiisuu been u sheegay waa ninka dhahay hiiraan iyi sgabelada dhexe waa isku baaxad kkkkkkk hiiraan is twice the size of middle shabelle

Cali osoble wuxuu "markii PL iyo Galmudug meedaxweynayaashooda ka imaadaan beelaha kuxigeenada iyo baarlamaanka markaas ayey Hirshabelle beelaha kale madax ka noqonayaan hirshabelle. hirshabelle hawadle baa ugu culus Jowharna waa kula degaa"

this is not clan bashing waa topic caadi ah oo u baahan in laga hadlo laakin no comments for cidii isku dir wada. wax la qaruyo quran aa ku jira kana wada inaan buuq ka dhex samaynayo Abgaal iyo Hawadle waa topic taagan موضوع الساعة


Amalow. cidaan hiiraan ahay qaswadayaal ayaa loo aqoonsan waa heshiis beesha caalamka ka diiwaanshan wax soconaysa maaha cidaan hiiraan ka soo jeedin qaswadayaal ayaa loo aqoonsan

DR maryan elmi hassan sheekh waa laga wareejiyay waa heshiis IGAD madaxweynaha hiiraan ku siisay asagoo markii hore caasimada nagu qoray. waxaan sheegi jiray soo maaha intaas.

[sahal80]

wallahi waa ku dhigay Hirshabelle is not different than PL and Galmudug

[Mk777]

Hirshabelle waa lagu kala taga aakhirka. It is ridiculous the majority clan is given 12 seats and speaker. I advocate beesha to boycott the new hirshabelle election if minimum hiiraan is not split into two gobol for this election

[AbkoowDhiblaawe]

wallahi waa ku dhigay Hirshabelle is not different than PL and Galmudug

Osoble wuu isku xaaray honestly. Mudulood can easily withdraw from Hirshabelle. Form Middle shabeelle and Banaadir. They can add ceeldheer too to their maamul. Which will result in HG adding matabaan to GM.

Caqliga ha shaqeeyo xawaadlow. Dont misstake Mudulood for small players like dhulos,warsans, murusade. Unuka gobol aan la imaanay if we aint happy we will do Hirexit, simple as that.

[sahal80]

wallahi waa ku dhigay Hirshabelle is not different than PL and Galmudug

Osoble wuu isku xaaray honestly. Mudulood can easily withdraw from Hirshabelle. Form Middle shabeelle and Banaadir. They can add ceeldheer too to their maamul. Which will result in HG adding matabaan to GM.

Caqliga ha shaqeeyo xawaadlow. Dont misstake Mudulood for small players like dhulos,warsans, murusade. Unuka gobol aan la imaanay if we aint happy we will do Hirexit, simple as that.

Abgaal are real stakeholders having the capital and the vice president not like these groups he mentioned but principally speaking PL and Galmudug and Hirshabelle have the same structure. blame adeerkaa hassan sh who finally succumbed to IGAD who allocated the president for Hawadle/Hiiraan. any abgaal running for prez is breaching this agreement and signing off this State. aniga hiiraan state aanba aaminsanahay it was abgaal president who forced us form state with Middle shabelle.

caqliga hawadle waa shaqaynooyaa all they want is whats theirs is theirs and what is your yours.

Galmudug itself hardly fits the two gobol requirements how can you split ceeldheer from it? Hiiraan is Hiiraan and Galgaduud is Galgaduud this is not like wife swap show lol

[sahal80]

Hirshabelle waa lagu kala taga aakhirka. It is ridiculous the majority clan is given 12 seats and speaker. I advocate beesha to boycott the new hirshabelle election if minimum hiiraan is not split into two gobol for this election

you mean the part controlled by Al shabaab? how can you control it when its not in your hands? Gaaljecel hadeey ka baxaan it won't have an effect on Hirshabelle except boosting Al shabaab morales since they rely on the marginalized groups.

[XimanJaale]

Look at these retards. Fighting over which clan should lead Hiirshabelle. These dumb Somalis will never learn the true meaning of Federalism. Nor do they know about how to lead a country let alone a region.

Farmaajo must continue his work to control these dumb Somalis. Become a zookeeper for these jaahils.

[AbkoowDhiblaawe]

wallahi waa ku dhigay Hirshabelle is not different than PL and Galmudug

Osoble wuu isku xaaray honestly. Mudulood can easily withdraw from Hirshabelle. Form Middle shabeelle and Banaadir. They can add ceeldheer too to their maamul. Which will result in HG adding matabaan to GM.

Caqliga ha shaqeeyo xawaadlow. Dont misstake Mudulood for small players like dhulos,warsans, murusade. Unuka gobol aan la imaanay if we aint happy we will do Hirexit, simple as that.

Abgaal are real stakeholders having the capital and the vice president not like these groups he mentioned but principally speaking PL and Galmudug and Hirshabelle have the same structure. blame adeerkaa hassan sh who finally succumbed to IGAD who allocated the president for Hawadle/Hiiraan. any abgaal running for prez is breaching this agreement and signing off this State. aniga hiiraan state aanba aaminsanahay it was abgaal president who forced us form state with Middle shabelle.

caqliga hawadle waa shaqaynooyaa all they want is whats theirs is theirs and what is your yours.

Galmudug itself hardly fits the two gobol requirements how can you split ceeldheer from it? Hiiraan is Hiiraan and Galgaduud is Galgaduud this is not like wife swap show lol

I don’t blame HSM for that. He was focused on leaving a legacy behind finishing the state buildings. I applaud him for it but there is always room for modification sxb.

You know that i don’t really care about who is leading as long as the state is moving forward. But for you xawaadles it seems to matter .Osoble's speach was unfitting for a former president. Mudulood are indeed stakeholders hence why I'm emphasizing that beesha can look for other alternatives Banaadir state with middle shabelle is not farfetched.

Let's say Waceysle exit GM and joins the rest of their mudulood kin under one state..what makes u think reer mataaban won't join GM. I'm just trying to show you this current version of federalism is hella fragile.

[sahal80]

Osoble wuu isku xaaray honestly. Mudulood can easily withdraw from Hirshabelle. Form Middle shabeelle and Banaadir. They can add ceeldheer too to their maamul. Which will result in HG adding matabaan to GM.

Caqliga ha shaqeeyo xawaadlow. Dont misstake Mudulood for small players like dhulos,warsans, murusade. Unuka gobol aan la imaanay if we aint happy we will do Hirexit, simple as that.

Abgaal are real stakeholders having the capital and the vice president not like these groups he mentioned but principally speaking PL and Galmudug and Hirshabelle have the same structure. blame adeerkaa hassan sh who finally succumbed to IGAD who allocated the president for Hawadle/Hiiraan. any abgaal running for prez is breaching this agreement and signing off this State. aniga hiiraan state aanba aaminsanahay it was abgaal president who forced us form state with Middle shabelle.

caqliga hawadle waa shaqaynooyaa all they want is whats theirs is theirs and what is your yours.

Galmudug itself hardly fits the two gobol requirements how can you split ceeldheer from it? Hiiraan is Hiiraan and Galgaduud is Galgaduud this is not like wife swap show lol

I don’t blame HSM for that. He was focused on leaving a legacy behind finishing the state buildings. I applaud him for it but there is always room for modification sxb.

You know that i don’t really care about who is leading as long as the state is moving forward. But for you xawaadles it seems to matter .Osoble's speach was unfitting for a former president. Mudulood are indeed stakeholders hence why I'm emphasizing that beesha can look for other alternatives Banaadir state with middle shabelle is not farfetched.

Let's say Waceysle exit GM and joins the rest of their mudulood kin under one state..what makes u think reer mataaban won't join GM. I'm just trying to show you this current version of federalism is hella fragile.

Ali Osoble said in this interview Hassans mandates was about the FMS and federalism beesha caalamka ayaa ku tiri dhamee sida mandateka mooge u ahaa 1p 1v oo uu ku fashilmay maanta waa aragtey gacantiisa waxba kuma jiraan 90% of Somalia presidents ayaa goaan indirect ah ka gaarey beesha caalamkaba waa ku taageertay sababtana howlo aan loo dirasan uu galay. inkastoo hassan Hiiraan iyo JL dagaal la galay markii hore hadana gadaal ayuu pragmatic and practical ka noqdey wuxuu qaatey taladii beesha caalamka halkaas marka waxaa ka dhacay gentleman's agreement. ayadoon heshiis cusub lagaarin abgaal iskagama ordi karo madaxtinimo sida guudlaawe laga soo sheegayo laakin waxaan kuu sheegaa in nuur iidle beyle iyo qoono ay wataan new Abgaal vice presidents ooy guulaawe ka tahay gorgortan waa nin ilaa xiligii maxamed dheere jooga. systemka guudlaawe waare ayaa sameeyay waa ixtiraamaa ilaa hada murashixiinta hawadle kama qaylin waliba mucaaradla sida qoone oo ninka gudiga farsamadana ku cidyahay waa hassan mohamed cabdalle samatalis reer Jowhor so i prefer this independent system set up by the State itself guudlaawe chance waxay siin kartaa inuu vice prezka ku soo baxo laakin its up to abgaal if they want the same old faces reason why middle sh is undeveloped is Jowhar having mayor appointed in 2014 and governor in 2016 while hiiraan had been changing in every 6 months. though i dont agree with waare every guy did his best.

saan kuu sheegay aniga waxaan aaminsanahay full Mudulood-Hawadle integration and power rotation that includes Banaaadir governor and the federal govt level laakin hada in lagu degdego maaha bal horta soo dhiciya federalka iyo banaadir sida SL dhahdo adinkoo wixiina heesta aan wax isku darsano laakin hirshabeele aan u soo cararaa xamarna ma haayo ma shaqayneyso


pointkaaga kale ee illogical argument waaye. clan based terittory hadey gaarto hawadle state ilaa jowhar waa sheegan karaan laakin galgaduud will stay galgaduud and hiiraan will stay hiiraan and shabellada dhexe will stay shabelada dhexe you cant mix the two. waceysle are reer Galmudug you cant add them to middle shabelle. Banaadir waxay noqonee inaad caasimada somalia wareejisid like mjs wanted before forming hirshabelle laakin waa shaqayn kartaa inaad maqaam u yeeshid oo matalaad siisid in the name if Somaliwayn via tge parliament and the FGS. waa deegaan abgaal laakin loo simanyahay as rights jist like any white diminated city with black and asians candidates but the majority rules the minority. non Hawiye will be minority in banaadir democratically. hadii doorasho timaado somaliwayn cod kuma yeelanayso.
HG matabaan ma joogin markey hawadle mahaday iyo Jowhar joogeen. hawadle and abgaal r spread in mahadaywayne and Gaaljecel walaweyn. from book 1914-1935

[sahal80]

wasiirka gudaha Hirshabelle Caadle oo noqin raba the first Abgaal to run for vice presidency. he is warsangali Abgaal same as guudlaawe

[Mk777]

Sxb 300km leego ila beledweyne oo cid ila degneen aan le



Before civil war everybody was in their own goof, there were 2 courts in beledweyne waagi maxaakimta.
Xawadle love to talk about 5 degmo aan jirin. The reality is there is 7 Degmo in hiiraan, 2 I own by myself. Even maxaas there is mursade and hg and mataban. All other 5 are shared
Shabellada dhexe nobody lives with me from fiidow where baadicade live to beledweyne all the way to wanlaweyn to near afgooye. Our libaax explains this 10 mins

[Django]

Hirshabelle waa lagu kala taga aakhirka. It is ridiculous the majority clan is given 12 seats and speaker. I advocate beesha to boycott the new hirshabelle election if minimum hiiraan is not split into two gobol for this election

Every place you claim landheere in Hiraan and Jubbaland yet you are accredited langaab.

Let's see how Jeesow will use Farmajo connections to make you the President of Hirshabelle.

[Django]

Hirshabelle waa lagu kala taga aakhirka. It is ridiculous the majority clan is given 12 seats and speaker. I advocate beesha to boycott the new hirshabelle election if minimum hiiraan is not split into two gobol for this election

Every place you claim landheere in Hiraan and Jubbaland yet you are accredited langaab.

Let's see how Jeesow will use Farmajo connections to make you the President of Hirshabelle.

[Django]

Hirshabelle waa lagu kala taga aakhirka. It is ridiculous the majority clan is given 12 seats and speaker. I advocate beesha to boycott the new hirshabelle election if minimum hiiraan is not split into two gobol for this election

Every place you claim landheere in Hiraan and Jubbaland yet you are accredited langaab.

Let's see how Jeesow will use Farmajo connections to make you the President of Hirshabelle.

[Voltage]

Thank you Hiiraan!

I am going to give a more complete response later, but I just want to say ANYONE who values good governance and wants to fix the horrible mistakes made too hastily by the previous government which was nothing more than an extension of the Transitional period should be happy about this debate.

The fact that there is even a debate including the 1st Pres of Hirshabelle on a random "fadhi ku dirir" talk session is a reflection that something is very wrong with the deeply flawed process that began the formation of Federal States.

Remember that Somalilanders call all Italian Somalia "Walaweyn" because it took the small constituency of Walaweyn with its 10:1 Votes to Population ratio to show all of Somalia how deeply superficial the 60's "democracy" was.

HIiraan is the "Walaweyn" moment to another exercise in "democracy" that is about to veer off course.

It is Federalism's "Booli-Qaran" moment to bankrupt Somalia on austerity, it's "Haile Selassie's overfed pet lions" moment to hungry 70's Ethiopia, it is even " Marie Antoinette's hair obsession" moment to revolutionary France.

When something is so flawed, there is a moment when the bend is so lopsided, a crack is heard loud and clear.

This is that moment.

The way Somalia responds to this challenge will determine whether we should even bother anymore with the enterprise of instituting governnance of this forum since we will be back at square 0 inevitably.

It's very ironic that Ossoble is so devoid of self awareness he doesn't even realize how his very person is an argument against his clannish hunger.

Will clearly show this later