Marehan Wiki

[UgaaskaBarakaysan]

It seems like some envious folks have edited the Marehan Wiki page and deleted much of the Notable People section for the Marehan as well as various sections of history. I will compile a list of Marehan notables in this thread and the purpose of this is to make a permanent copy and have this post as an initial rough draft that will always be available in case there is continued disruptive behavior on that site. Having said that, there are obviously many prominent individuals missing from my preliminary post since the list of Marehan notables is quite extensive. All Sade members are welcome and encouraged to add on to the list

Mohamed Siyaad Barre, President of Somalia from 1969 to 1991.
Nur ibn Mujahid, The Second Conqueror of Ethiopia and the Patron Saint of Harar
Mohamed Abdullahi Mohamed , President of Somalia and former Prime Minister
Abdi Farah Shirdon, Former Prime Minister of Somalia
Abdiweli Sheikh Ahmed , Former Prime Minister of Somalia
Abdiwahid Gonjeh, Senator and former Prime Minister of Somalia
Gen. Abdullahi Anod, Former head of Armed Forces (FGS)
Abdirizak Taano, Somalia Ambassador to Qatar
Ahmed Warsame, Former Head of Somalia's Military Academy
Muqtar Hussein, Current Danab Special forces Commander for Galmudug
Ali Shire Warsame, MP for the Somali Youth League of DhusaMareb in the 1960s and Prominent Businessman.
Col. Barre Adan Shire Hiiraale, Former Somalia Defense Minister, head of Juba Valley Alliance (JVA), West Point Academy Grad in Military Science
Gen. Ali Matan Hashi, The First Somali pilot, Commander of The Somali Air Force 1959-1978,
Husein Aw maxamud Koofi, Former Head of Somali Airlines and Governor of Mudug region.
Abdullahi Ali Kooshin, Former Mayor of Kismaayo,
Hassan Mohamed Siyad Barre, Somalia Ambassador to Oman
Ahmed Farah Ali 'Idaaja', Literary Scholar, "Founding father" of the Somali Written Folklore
Fatimo Isaak Bihi, First Somali Female Ambassador, Ambassador to Geneva, Switzerland, Director of the African Department of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs
Dr. Ali Kanini, First Internationally Certified Somali doctor
Aden Shire Jama Organized first Somali elections and chairman of Marehan Union party of 1956 election
Mowliid Hussein Guhaad, Current Deputy Speaker of Somali Senate
Abdulahi Haji, Broadcaster and longest-serving chief editor with the Somali BBC.
Abdirizak Fartaag, Scholar and owner of Fartag Research Center
Aden Ibrahim Aw Hirsi, Author, Politician, Former Governor of the Gedo region.
Ahmed Mohamed Hassan, member of the Pan-African Parliament from Djibouti
Dr. Ahmed Farah Dualeh, Prominent Scholar, Former Jubbaland State Leader
Dr. Abdullahi Hashi, Infectious Disease MD from Rome, Director of Health Ministry in Somalia
Shire Jama Ahmed, Linguistic scholar and author, Inventor of the Written Somali Script, Somali Youth League Administrator
Abdullahi Ismaail, Senator, Former Jubbaland Vice President
Abdiqadir Hersi Yam-Yam, Prominent Somali Poet and Scholar
Warsame Indhoole, Director of the Somali Developmental Crash Program, oversaw the successful Somali literacy campaign (Bar ama Barro)
Mahamud ali Magan, Former Somali Foreign Affairs Minister, Consul General to The Unites States Of America and Canada
Dr. Mohammed Aden Sheikh, Premier Somali intellectual and former head of Somali Technological Development, Minister of Information, Minister of Education, Head of the Ideology Bureau SRRC
Abdi Shire Warsame, Former Somali Ambassador to Kenya and China and Former Foreign Affairs State minister in Transitional National Government
Ali Dahir Ciid, Galmudug State Vice-President
Cabdi Galayax, Prominent Somali Poet and Scholar,
Aden Hassan Barre (Aden Cadde), Head of civil society southern Somalia and Leader in Jubaland state of Somalia
Dr. Abdulrahman Jama Barre, Former Interior Affairs Minister of Somalia
Gen. AbdiAziz Ali Barre, Head of Armed forces (TNG-TFG) Chairman of SNF
Abdullahi Ali Kooshin, former mayor of Buuloburde, Gaalkaacyo, Kismaayo and former Governor of Hiiraan
Sheikh Cabdille Aw-Mahamud, Somali intellectual and former Ambasador of Italy.
Adan-Dinix, Prominent Poet and Leader
Col. Abdi Igal, JVA Commander, Military Stategist
Boqor Maxamed Daa'uud Abadir, Historical Leader of Darod Clan
Sheikh Mohamed Mohamoud, Framer of the Somali Constitution
Abdikarim Gelle Bayr, Prominent Computer Scientist and famed collector of Somali Literature.
Ahmed Sugulle Hersi, Consul of Somalia in Italy 1989-2005
Dr. Mohamed Mohamud Jango'an, Former Somali interior minister
Dr. Abdiqadir H. Mohammed, Chairman of the Somali Social Committee
Muraayed Garaad, President of the Somali Women Organization 1970-1980
Ali Sudi, Vice president of the Somali Airlines
Shire Sudi, Minister of the Somali Fisheries
Mohammoud Jama, former Governor of the Somali Banks
Eng Xussein Cali Jamaac, Jubbaland State Politician
Gen Osman Aingail, Former Head of the Criminal Investigation Department
Lt. Colonel Mohammed Samatar, Head of the Military Intelligence Association of Somalia
Col Cabdi Igal, Former Somali National Front leader and Military strategist
Haji Hussein Mohammed, Former President of the Somali Airlines
Abdulkadir Toor, Former Director of the Agency for Theatre and Films
Cisman Hasji Moalimu, Governor of The Gedo Region
Yusuf Ali Nuur, Former Chairman of the Somali Defense and Security Committee (SDSC)
Mohamoud Sayid Addan, Vice-president of Jubaland
Mohamed hashi Geney, Former Vice-president of Galmudug, Ministry of Petroleum Director
Gen. Omar Hashi Massaleh, Former Somali Minister of Defense, former Chairman of The SNF
Gen. Mohammed Nur Shareco, Chief Adviser to President Siad Barre
Gen. Ali Hure Loyan, Former Commander of The Somali Police Forces (TFG)
Col. Abdirizak Isaak Biixi, Head of Parliamentary Committee on Security, former Chairman of SNF
Col. Cumar Jamac CaliJiir, Former Commander of the Armed Forces
Col. Hashi Mohamed Guled (Shiino), Architect of National Law and military enforcement
Eng. Hussein Faray, Former Governor of the Gedo Region.
Yusuf Ibrahim, Former Mayor of Mogadishu
Khadija Abdulahi "Dalays", First National Somali female singer
Dr. Haji Macaliin, Prominent Scientist
Ibrahim Farah Bursaliid, Somali Scholar, Diplomat and Professor at Nairobi university
Col. Cabdi Cusmaan Nuur, Former Head of the Somali Armed forces
Burale Sheikh Ali,Ahmed, Former President of Court of Appeal, Somali Democratic Republic.

[Voltage]

You just noticed it now Ugaaska? It has been like that for years---as in I can't remember the last the page wasn't being hacked.

Some people are that pathetic.

[UgaaskaBarakaysan]

I noticed it a while back actually, and as I went through the editing history I found that there were some users who created accounts and bypassed the flimsy editorial rules for the sole purpose of editing the page. Which wasn't surprising in itself since it's simple to deduce what sort of person would go through the effort and have a motive for such a pathetic endeavor. Alas It just goes to show how inadequacy can compel people to lash out in pitiful ways

[Gubbet]

It is worse than that. Much worse.

So in some of the Somali linked repositories, I have noticed quite a bit of the books have had historical references to Marehan or Darod ripped out. I mean it is basically proverbially ripping out because the pages have not been included in the photocopy uploaded.

Once is possibly an accident or mistake....twice is suspicious...third time is clearly a pattern----

Speaking to INTENTIONALLY removed from the record for an tribal reason as the missing pages are all in referencen to ONE clan family.

I will give you an example ;

One of my most memorable debates is with Xildiiid who was pilfering the same load of crap about the Somali language he posted everywhere.

If he did not post it, then he plagiarized because the same exact post was all over the internet , in every forum you could think of including non-Somali forums where the same race-obsessed Somali seeming person was literally shoving that irrelevant material down non-Somalis---as if those people out there gave a crap about whether "Isaaq accent/dialect" is the base of standard Somali. I mean you can't make this up.

[BTW: He claims Habar Jeclo, writes like Bendover and the day I demolished that post is the day that began Bendover's almost psychotic-like hatred of me.].

Here is the topic, but long story short;

1. There is a linguist called Lambrrti who is one of the most cited on Somali language
2. He wrote a book called Di Somali Dialekte or something like that (German) in 1982-83
3. For his presentation for the 1986 Somali studies conference, a concise smaller primet of 30 pages was made of his book
4. The primer said the base of Somali language was "Northern Somali" and in another part said "proper northern Somali" is basically Northwestern or Waqooyi Galbeed
5. The Xildiid brain basically went Northern Somalia = Isaaq so the base of standard Somali is Isaaq and oh yeah, proper = best.

I basically said, no, your entire misunderstanding rests on the assumption Lamberti himself did not clarify what he meant and also, your English is lacking, proper in a directional context is not abouy "better" or best or qualitative comparison but about "true north" in compass setting (conversely true west, true east). The reason why he wrote proper north is because what he called northern Somali was the common Somali spoken in Garbahaaray as it is in Hargeisa so to differentiate Af-Isaaq or northwest from say Af-Marehan geographically, you have to allude to geographically proper.

Anyways the topic is here;

https://www.somalinet.com/forums/viewto ... 464e90ff33

Notice I posted an actual screen shot of Lamberti's big book on page 31 where he explains that the northern Somali he calls the base of standard Somali is actually AF-MAREEXAAN OF AF-DAAROOD.

I think the problem is it may be the ENGLISH LANGUAGE that presents a difficult understanding for you.

How can you even attempt to talk about language/linguistics when you fail at basic comprehension? The irony makes me chuckle.

Literally, you have brought exactly what I said, but have interpreted it very wrongly engaging in a very apparent illogical fallacy called "non-sequitur."

Non-sequitor basically means the PREMISE of what you are saying is true, but your CONCLUSION is absolutely false.

Since you are deeply emotionally invested in reaching this false conclusion, how about we use Lamberti's;


1. MAPs to gauge what Lamberti meant by "Northern Somali" as a general term to explain who the standard Somali is attributed to

Yes, Lamberti did say "Northern Somali" supplied the official language of the Somali Republic, but his classification of "Northern Somali" for that point is the COMMON SOMALI tongue that is spoken in Garbahaaray as it is in Boosaaso as it is in Hargeisa;

Here is his map to show what he meant by Northen Somali



See where Lamberti put NordSomali in Garbahaaray? I don't see any Isaaq there.

2. As if his MAP wasn't enough to show you he DID NOT MEAN ISAAQ when he said "Northern Somali" was the base of the Somali language standard, Lamberti actually EXPLAINED HIMSELF in his first and most exhaustive book.

His 200+ page German-language chief scholarly book on the subject titled Die Somali-Dialekte from 1983 (what you posted is a smal English language primer of his 1983 book prepared for the 1986 Somali Language Conference)

In Page 31 of Die Somali-Dialekte which was the seminal work of Lamberti

To further spread these dialects in recent years, the choice of dialect of Mudug has contributed to the national language of the Democratic Republic of Somalia. It is this Daarood dialect that is the source of publications in the Somali language, be it textbooks or literary works. Also, the use of a koiné of these dialects as means of communication of mass media (radio and magazines, etc.) as well as of school operations has led each Somali to understand and speak these dialects, as well as a second mother tongue, even if his own Dialect belongs to another group. The dialects of this group are also the best studied to date and their interest in them has increased even more since they set the national language of the country. Many publications have appeared, especially on Is. In the study of this dialect,

3. It's embarrassing how your entire position was built on bad comprehension of phraseology LITERALLY only relevant to direction. .

Lamberti called the Common Somali tongue "Northern Somali" because everything north of Beled-Weyne came under it in comparison to Af Maay and Af Banaadiir who occupied south-central.

So when he said "Northern Somali" was the base of standard Somali the word "northern" made you guys perk up.

Then when differentiating Northern Somali, he called the actually northern most region "proper North" (as in directionally proper) like how everything west of the Mississippi is the West to US East Coast but the 3 States of Oregon, Washington, and California are the proper West Coast.

It's literally bad comprehension and desperate intent because Lamberti HIMSELF explained just WHICH GROUP of "Northern Somali" he had in mind when he said that overall dialect is the base of standard Somali.

4. Why do you guys always come up with the ridiculous Gogo xaar.

Somali is a TONAL language. The entire gender/pitch/meaning/sound of a word changes based on tone.

Gogol xaar is not the same as "xaar". I literally pronounce them differently.

When saying Gogol "xaar," my tongue is literally stiff and flares at the wings near my molars. Also my tongue makes an indentation near the tip.

When saying the bathroom "xaar" my tongue is lazy and loose. 0 stress or stiffness.

Tone has many important uses in Somalia. For example it also makes gender sometimes. Look at the wors "inan"

I-nan with initial stressed tongue means boy
In-an with a very lazy and loose tongue means girl

5. No comment about what colonial writer said about any tribe bruhaha. How impressionable are you?

I can't count how many colonial writings I have read and the truth is it's the first tribe that gets to them that is their perspective on the people.

I have come across Marehan saying they don't give their girls to the Hawiye because they blow up the ass of their cows. Why would I need to bring that to anyone knowing ridiculous tribal prejudice was expressed?

6. Finally, please let this be a lesson to you. You guys have posted that embarrassing concoction literally everywhere when the Lamberti preempted you and explained exactly what he meant.

Next time do better research before embarrassing yourself.

Well the copy of the book in Somali circles like the online collection from Spienza University in Italy is this one

[Gubbet]

Btw, those very nice drawings by Robecchi like this



Or this one



Or those of my grandfathers?



Don't bother in the copies uploaded in the Somali-linked repositories, somehow they just happen to be the "missing pages" in Robecchi's books.

First I was mad. I wanted to go after the culprit by lodging a complaint with the linked organizations---persumably it would not be hard to locate the persons tasked with photocopy or something----library/archive sources are notorious for detailed metadata, but then I just literally felt sorry for them.

To be so resentful that you think you could erase information or history only to be confronted today by the wide dissemination of those images in such a prominent position in any basic Somali historical research---that's the most fitting punishment I thought.

[UgaaskaBarakaysan]

I agree with you to an extent, those individuals that I alluded to and you mentioned a few of those characters, are resentful due to the sheer historical inadequacy they feel in comparison to certain groups which is fine in itself. However when they take that lack of assuredness in themselves and try to distort other peoples history I don't feel sorry for them whatsoever on the contrary I see them for what they are, depraved scum with a chip on their shoulder plain and simple.

I read that thread you linked long ago and found the way you went about picking apart his duplicitous arguments to be surgically thorough and precise. As it happens Including that link in this thread is significant for a particular reason, it's a clear example in full display that certain people are willing to misrepresent and manipulate information to fit an agenda that is seldom ever present in historical texts.

You should follow up with those linked organizations to resolve that situation, it could be a random error or something more nefarious. Those pages should exist in all somali-linked repositories and would deal a huge blow to any organizations credibility if there seems to be an inconsistency of information.

[ReturnOfMariixmaan]

I'm happy you guys woke up the information war.