I See This Theme On Social Media “One Love Somalia, Eritrea, Ethiopia”

[Murax]

Made by Eritreans, Ethiopians Followed by Anti TPLF slogans. This isn’t just keyboard Horn Of Africa FKD but I see that echoed in actual politics where the previous close partnership between Ethiopia/Kenya dividing the spoils of Somalia cooled, while talk of this Tripartite Ethiopia/Eritrea/Somalia GCC type thing kicked off, witu Kenya getting phased out a little bit. This isn’t to debate the plus, minus of that whole dynamic, that’s a convo for a different time, but it’s a departure from the former status quo that is very noticeable. Interesting.

[zidane88]

As much as you like the longevity of Farmaajo's reign hence painting a beautiful scenario in the horn, the reality on the ground is different. Ethiopia for example, Abiye blindly attacked TPLF ( glad he did) using Eriterian troops who killed,looted, and raped civilians. Now, the Ethiopians, mostly Amharas, are complaining about Abiye's use of Eriterian forces against Ethiopian citizens, not to mention amnesty and IC.

We all knew Afwerki was the chief of "johny no mate" club, and Abiye joined the club now. Amharas got Abiye in the hook and trying to put under the bus soon using the Nationalism card. While Abiye have distanced himself from his clan by either putting them in jail or house arrest.

The unfolding events are giving Amharas the upper hand against Abiye, but they have the Oromo hurdle...Oromo that is not loyal to Abiye but against Amharas supremacy agenda. The picture is not as beautiful as you painted it.

[Murax]

Zidane88,


I give you the benefit of the doubt as it’s easy to forget which MX forumer said what, and when they said it. So let me just say for the record Ethiopia never was, and never will be our friend. Infact aside from the recent differences there is way more potential for Somalia, Kenya to have better relations in the future then Kenya. If you’re talking Qabil my clan fought in the Abyssinian wars, with the most recent MX head of State MSB AUN fighting a war for that territory.


That said, even the breakdown you gave about Eritreans, Amharas, massacres, etc it indicates a Ethiopia that is at a crossroads. That said, you can choose to look the other way, not be reasonable however it is clear that Kenya hasn’t exactly liked the fact that Somalia has stayed adamant about the court case. Also right or wrong, if we’re talking letter of the law Kenya did on several occasions violate FGS sovereignty. Whether you think the polices they broke were fist or not, is a whole different issue, but the fact is they did. There is enough to say right now at this very moment, Kenya is a more immediate threat than Ethiopia. Long term, I say vice versa

[Khalid Ali]

Any sort of integration is in the interest of Ethiopia so I am not sure what farmaajo was thinking trusting abiye and afeweriqi

[zidane88]

Murax, using the court case is merely scare-tactics used by N&N. Any sane Somali person wouldn't allow an inch of Somali maritime or land to a foreigner be it Kenyan, Ethiopian or anyone else. The case is being adjucating by the IC therefore no amount of social media advocacy will change the outcome. That is that.

Comparing the Somalis living in both of these countries they're far and beyond from each-other. Somalis in Kenya elect their reps freely while Ethiopia were being selected for them. In terms of human rights be it freedom of speech, freedom of business, freedom of religious activities are zilch. Look at the business that Somalis have in Kenya while in Ethiopia they treat them as second-class citizens.

Job opportunities, Ethiopian telecom, posts, banks, finances are %90 non-Somalis, and to get services, as normal Somali citizen, is an uphill battle let alone get a job. simple example of autcracy is Jawar mohamed, and Bekele gebra (both oromo) have been detained in fear of their influence. What do you think of Somali opposition fate when Oromos were treated that way? Have Uhuru did the same?

successive Ethiopian governments (including this one) have had plans of planting non-Somali families in every city of the region for future dominance. It was recently that Abiye's media were praising the 77 karamardha Ethiopian troops as heroes and Somalis as invaders.
I don't know whether your assumptions are deliberate or lack of knowledge of Ethiopian politics, either way you're mistaken if you see Ethiopia as a friend.

[Murax]

Murax, using the court case is merely scare-tactics used by N&N. Any sane Somali person wouldn't allow an inch of Somali maritime or land to a foreigner be it Kenyan, Ethiopian or anyone else. The case is being adjucating by the IC therefore no amount of social media advocacy will change the outcome. That is that.

Comparing the Somalis living in both of these countries they're far and beyond from each-other. Somalis in Kenya elect their reps freely while Ethiopia were being selected for them. In terms of human rights be it freedom of speech, freedom of business, freedom of religious activities are zilch. Look at the business that Somalis have in Kenya while in Ethiopia they treat them as second-class citizens.

Job opportunities, Ethiopian telecom, posts, banks, finances are %90 non-Somalis, and to get services, as normal Somali citizen, is an uphill battle let alone get a job. simple example of autcracy is Jawar mohamed, and Bekele gebra (both oromo) have been detained in fear of their influence. What do you think of Somali opposition fate when Oromos were treated that way? Have Uhuru did the same?

successive Ethiopian governments (including this one) have had plans of planting non-Somali families in every city of the region for future dominance. It was recently that Abiye's media were praising the 77 karamardha Ethiopian troops as heroes and Somalis as invaders.
I don't know whether your assumptions are deliberate or lack of knowledge of Ethiopian politics, either way you're mistaken if you see Ethiopia as a friend.

You say no sane Somali will allow an inch of land to be taken, so are Shariif, Abdishakur Warsame, Gaas not 'Sane Somalis' to where they allowed this bogus MOU to be signed? MInd you these are the same people who by process of elimination you more or less support now. LOL.

http://extwprlegs1.fao.org/docs/pdf/bi-158813.pdf

2. Kenya and Somalia
Memorandum of Understanding·between the Government of the Republic of Kenya and the Transitional Federal
Government of the Somali Republic to Grant to Each Other No-Objection in Respect of Submissions on the Outer
Limits of the Continental Shelf beyond 200 Nautical Miles to the Commission on the Limits of the Continental Shelf

Hon. Moses Wetang’ula, EGH, MP
MINISTER FOR FOREIGN AFFAIRS
Hon. Abdirahman Abdishakur Warsame
MINISTER FOR NATIONAL PLANNING AND
INTERNATIONAL COOPERATION



They say poverty is the mother of all evil, many of the ills that plague Somalia today ultimately stem from poverty. How on earth is securing wealth for a starving population not a more pressing objective then Somalis being mistreated in Ethiopia? The war with Ethiopia was lost, will never be gone again. That said, Somalia is big enough to accommodate a population of a 100 million easily, let alone the 30 million in the horn. In other words right now there is more at stake, more to lose in the point of contention between Kenya, Somalia then Somalis in Ethiopia being treated like trash as you say. The vision shouldn't be 'Well its horrible in Ethiopia, but its great for Somalis in Kenya', however this brings me to the ultimate crux of the issue between you and I. Kenya is a Country you look at as a place where you have a lot of stake (NFD), so it is hard for you to look at them in any kind of a hostile lens, I get it and that is your choice. However don't be surprised when other people have a different vantage point. You still have not acknowledged, or explained your position on if you think Kenya did or did not take a advasarial approach to Somalia the closer it was gotten to the court case. I am curious how you will explain away how a Country could violate another countries air space, and harbour militias (Mandeera) if it is not tied with existing points of differences.

[zidane88]

Murax, again let us not make Kenya a political point scoring lure. I said it time and time gain the case with the sea is at IC court case, and hoping it would go in Somali favour. Shariif and C/shakuur were completely wrong to sign Somali sovereignty sea to Kenya.
You merely misundertand highlighting the plight of Somalis in Ethiopia as ignoring main issues of other Somalis. It was just simply showing you how enemies treat Somalis had they come under their control....something you hardly care.

Let us remind ourselseves, HSM was the man responsible for taking Kenya to court over the sea dispute. Neither does he cut diplomatic relations with Kenya nor does he use it as an election campaign. Neither does he call his oppsition as "qaran dumis" Barre's favourite soothing word. That's HSM's real statemanship.

The same way Shariif and C/shakuur have signed the sea many believe that Farmaajo is sleep-walking in to signing the ports to our biggest enemy Ethiopia while some of you even rejoicing it. Isn't that blind-sided by your angle?

[Phinks]

Any sort of integration is in the interest of Ethiopia so I am not sure what farmaajo was thinking trusting abiye and afeweriqi

I doubt that, Tigray region is now the de facto 'Somaliland' of Ethiopia. Many Tigray are calling for independence and have developed a siege like mentality, I wish you could hear what they are saying now, the majority of Tigray are under the impression they have been betrayed by their own citizens (Inviting enemy Eritrea and supporting the invasion when they were holding them off for decades), Tigray have abandoned the concept of 'Ethiopia' as a nation.

It doesn't stop there, Oromo liberation forces (OLF) have been massacring Amhara lately, just yesterday they killed 8 people attending a conference between Amhara and OLA, I don't think Ethiopia will make it to 2025, too much blood has been shed.

[ReturnOfMariixmaan]

Any sort of integration is in the interest of Ethiopia so I am not sure what farmaajo was thinking trusting abiye and afeweriqi

I doubt that, Tigray region is now the de facto 'Somaliland' of Ethiopia. Many Tigray are calling for independence and have developed a siege like mentality, I wish you could hear what they are saying now, the majority of Tigray are under the impression they have been betrayed by their own citizens (Inviting enemy Eritrea and supporting the invasion when they were holding them off for decades), Tigray have abandoned the concept of 'Ethiopia' as a nation.

It doesn't stop there, Oromo liberation forces (OLF) have been massacring Amhara lately, just yesterday they killed 8 people attending a conference between Amhara and OLA, I don't think Ethiopia will make it to 2025, too much blood has been shed.

Not only that Phinks. Amhara will betray Abiy at some point. It’s only a question of when not how or where. Ethiopia is in another Zemene Mesafint or age of princes where regional leaders will contend for power. The power vacuum will come soon. But the problem is Ethiopia will always be an anchor state for the west in the Horn region. Only time the West and East ever agreed was in the Cold War against Somalia. I’ll highly doubt the world will let them crumble like us. But times changed and Ethiopia is in debt to China. We’ll see. We’re in interesting times.

[nine]

Any sort of integration is in the interest of Ethiopia so I am not sure what farmaajo was thinking trusting abiye and afeweriqi

....

Not only that Phinks. Amhara will betray Abiy at some point. It’s only a question of when not how or where. Ethiopia is in another Zemene Mesafint or age of princes where regional leaders will contend for power. The power vacuum will come soon. But the problem is Ethiopia will always be an anchor state for the west in the Horn region. Only time the West and East ever agreed was in the Cold War against Somalia. I’ll highly doubt the world will let them crumble like us. But times changed and Ethiopia is in debt to China. We’ll see. We’re in interesting times.

The Mr Bevin proposal was that all of Somaliweyn be united under the condition Somaliweyn became administered by Britain. Sometimes you gotta eat the bullet if its in your interest.
Guess what, both the US (Truman) and USSR (Stalin) were against the proposal.

This was after WW2.

[Khalid Ali]

Ethiopia will not collapse Ethiopia is a strong nation its citizens put their country first. Even though the war against tigray happend. It will not break Ethiopia. Ethiopia is not like Somalia a banana Republic

[IRONm@N]

What good has Ethiopia or Eritrea ever did for Somalia?
If you calling our own brother’s Djiboutians our enemy?

[Phinks]

Any sort of integration is in the interest of Ethiopia so I am not sure what farmaajo was thinking trusting abiye and afeweriqi

I doubt that, Tigray region is now the de facto 'Somaliland' of Ethiopia. Many Tigray are calling for independence and have developed a siege like mentality, I wish you could hear what they are saying now, the majority of Tigray are under the impression they have been betrayed by their own citizens (Inviting enemy Eritrea and supporting the invasion when they were holding them off for decades), Tigray have abandoned the concept of 'Ethiopia' as a nation.

It doesn't stop there, Oromo liberation forces (OLF) have been massacring Amhara lately, just yesterday they killed 8 people attending a conference between Amhara and OLA, I don't think Ethiopia will make it to 2025, too much blood has been shed.

Not only that Phinks. Amhara will betray Abiy at some point. It’s only a question of when not how or where. Ethiopia is in another Zemene Mesafint or age of princes where regional leaders will contend for power. The power vacuum will come soon. But the problem is Ethiopia will always be an anchor state for the west in the Horn region. Only time the West and East ever agreed was in the Cold War against Somalia. I’ll highly doubt the world will let them crumble like us. But times changed and Ethiopia is in debt to China. We’ll see. We’re in interesting times.

Sxb, I'm telling you things have gotten off the rails this past few weeks, the stuff I'm seeing and hearing is reminiscent to the clan cleansing of Somalia's civil war.

https://addisstandard.com/news-analysis ... p-members/

OLF is now reeling from the effects of targeted harassment and jailing of its members, sound familiar? (ONLF). Hear me out, the planned future of Ethiopia is a Oromo and Amhara dominated partnership, unfortunately for them not all Oromo are onboard for this, most certainly not Tigray. The question is how long can they continue this? Is the west going to continue to support Ethiopia under a dictatorship, especially in this age of social media and online information?

Update, just yesterday TPLF attacked Mekelle and destroyed 4 tanks and acquired armament from some ambushed ENDF patrol units. Things are heating up, Amhara and Oromo freedom fighters are continuously ramping up their attacks on one another. Some 27 more people have been killed in Horogudro. There are reports of churches being attacked and photos and videos circulating of dead bodies, including infants who were beaten to death. I recently joined this habesha telegram group from Twitter and the things these people are going through are making me question my life subxanallah, even knowing what they have done to Somalis isn't enough to stomach this, I'm telling you Ethiopia is finished.



Telegram link: https://t.me/EthiopiaMap/62?single

[ReturnOfMariixmaan]

I doubt that, Tigray region is now the de facto 'Somaliland' of Ethiopia. Many Tigray are calling for independence and have developed a siege like mentality, I wish you could hear what they are saying now, the majority of Tigray are under the impression they have been betrayed by their own citizens (Inviting enemy Eritrea and supporting the invasion when they were holding them off for decades), Tigray have abandoned the concept of 'Ethiopia' as a nation.

It doesn't stop there, Oromo liberation forces (OLF) have been massacring Amhara lately, just yesterday they killed 8 people attending a conference between Amhara and OLA, I don't think Ethiopia will make it to 2025, too much blood has been shed.

Not only that Phinks. Amhara will betray Abiy at some point. It’s only a question of when not how or where. Ethiopia is in another Zemene Mesafint or age of princes where regional leaders will contend for power. The power vacuum will come soon. But the problem is Ethiopia will always be an anchor state for the west in the Horn region. Only time the West and East ever agreed was in the Cold War against Somalia. I’ll highly doubt the world will let them crumble like us. But times changed and Ethiopia is in debt to China. We’ll see. We’re in interesting times.

Sxb, I'm telling you things have gotten off the rails this past few weeks, the stuff I'm seeing and hearing is reminiscent to the clan cleansing of Somalia's civil war.

https://addisstandard.com/news-analysis ... p-members/

OLF is now reeling from the effects of targeted harassment and jailing of its members, sound familiar? (ONLF). Hear me out, the planned future of Ethiopia is a Oromo and Amhara dominated partnership, unfortunately for them not all Oromo are onboard for this, most certainly not Tigray. The question is how long can they continue this? Is the west going to continue to support Ethiopia under a dictatorship, especially in this age of social media and online information?

Update, just yesterday TPLF attacked Mekelle and destroyed 4 tanks and acquired armament from some ambushed ENDF patrol units. Things are heating up, Amhara and Oromo freedom fighters are continuously ramping up their attacks on one another. Some 27 more people have been killed in Horogudro. There are reports of churches being attacked and photos and videos circulating of dead bodies, including infants who were beaten to death. I recently joined this habesha telegram group from Twitter and the things these people are going through are making me question my life subxanallah, even knowing what they have done to Somalis isn't enough to stomach this, I'm telling you Ethiopia is finished.

The OLF rejected the national elections. It’s only the Christian ODPO elites that support Abiy. They are a minority. Majority of Oromos are Muslim and support the OLF:




Secondly, the Amhara are openly annexing lands they felt was taken by the TPLF and this their response to US Secretary of State Anthony Blinken:




Finally, the Biden Admin is calling for investigation into the human rights violations in Tigray:




Democrats are a interventionist party that likes to meddle in other countries affairs. Honestly, I see sanctions for the Abiy administration in Addis Ababa. This is due to the western educated Habeshi elites who are coordinating this response to the conflict in numerous western capitals. I have no sympathy nor do I care. TPLF was/is a enemy of Gedo. But Ethiopia is on the course of full blown disintegration imo