Got a case of Somali Wiki mod on Emir Nur's page that is so evocative of hate, it makes me share.

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Got a case of Somali Wiki mod on Emir Nur's page that is so evocative of hate, it makes me share.

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Someone contacted me saying "check this level of obsession out" and so I went and explored.

A mod had engineered a problem and then similarly "created" the need to escalate it to some fantastically irrelevant internal-Wiki procedure that a 2 year old can see was a manipulative appeal to confirmation bias using guilt by association.

Whomever is interested in this at all, I am not going to explain anything beyond that because I actually want you to go to Emir Nur's page and go to the edit backpage and see it. That why you actually see what I mean.

There are 3 big ironies here.

1.Emir Nuur is not even like Ahmed Gurey issue where every tribe/clan in the Horn made a claim. This isn't even about playing fair referee.Emir Nur IS ONLY CLAIMED BY MAREHAN.

2. Furthermore, the Mod's tribe/clan (and again I leave it to you to figure out based on their edit history of Somali pages---it is that obvious) has 0 (ZERO) equity in issues about Nur's origins. Again, their clan, like every other clan except Marehan, might as well be Native American tribe to this issue because no other clan even has oral claim like they do with Ahmed Gurey.

This means the actions are not even FOR the Mod's benefit---it is really just a way to express that he is AGAINST some other group.

3.Finally, there are almost very limited amounts of written record from that period. In a similar case, Ahmed Gurey, who is claimed left and right, has still never been identified to any group even using minimum standard.

Yet Emir Nuur, is clàimed by really ONE GROUP, and HAS MULTIPLE sources passing critical standard identifying him to Marehan.

The Mod in question engineered this expression of hate just to barr two such sources based on some internal wikipedia procedural business-inspired guideline (so wiki isn't sued by other encyclopaedia/fact books) using, like I said above, manipulative appeal to confirmation bias.

Here is the thing; even though public convos online about Nur reference those 2 directly identifying sources (and they are scientific gold standard sourcing) there are at least 5 scholarly references identifying Emir Nur as Marehan including from Cerulli who collected and printed 2/3 of the Harari historical records still even in existence.

I was so taken back by the shallowness of what I came across, I have 0% interest to even bother dealing with it by getting involved.

If this is how you want to spend your energy, please keep doing until you are saturated with it.

And then, all of that was for nothing because there are more sources than those 2 and one of them will wipe away dozens of years of this really destined-to-be-made-void and irrelevant waste of energy? :?

Wallahi some people really need to evaluate what is actually meaningful and valuable to them in life.
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Re: Got a case of Somali Wiki mod on Emir Nur's page that is so evocative of hate, it makes me share.

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Emir nur has nothing to do with Marehan or darood. That's the biggest lie ever told. Stop telling lies.
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Re: Got a case of Somali Wiki mod on Emir Nur's page that is so evocative of hate, it makes me share.

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Khalid Ali wrote: Fri Mar 26, 2021 5:51 am Emir nur has nothing to do with Marehan or darood. That's the biggest lie ever told. Stop telling lies.
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Gubbet wrote: Fri Mar 26, 2021 6:07 am
Khalid Ali wrote: Fri Mar 26, 2021 5:51 am Emir nur has nothing to do with Marehan or darood. That's the biggest lie ever told. Stop telling lies.
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Re: Got a case of Somali Wiki mod on Emir Nur's page that is so evocative of hate, it makes me share.

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Emir nur can never be darood. How many. Articles you write falsify and misrepresent.
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Khalid Ali wrote: Fri Apr 02, 2021 9:29 pm Emir nur can never be darood. How many. Articles you write falsify and misrepresent.
Dude, this is weird.

He is not Isaaq. Your clan doesn't even have oral claim. His origins is virtually devoid of any possible equity you could be entitled to.

I don't know of you understand the words I am saying, but that's like me being emotionally invested in who "Aw-Barkhadle" was.

I could care less.

In fact, in my ENTIRE experience on this forum, unless something concerned an equity Marehan was entitled to, I have never engaged any argument or took side in any claim.

Why are you and some of your kin the ONLY people that I have seen in these discussions who not only enter but become the most emotionally invested in issues that you literally have 0 equity in?

To this day I still don't understand how you guys are not only in but the most concerned in Emir Nur discuissions or even something like Cali Mataan Hashi being the first Somali pilot.

I have never seen a single Marehan in Aw Barkhadle or whatever or even something like some claim about the first whatever from your side.

Yet, you will be out there in a Cali Mataan topic, being the most concerned---but get this; arguing a Hawiye man was flying fight.

Or Emir Nur topic where you literally don't even have traditional claim, arguing just on the basis of being concerned about another's equity.

Ma wuu qoladiina ahaa?

Ok, have several seat---right over there.👉

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Re: Got a case of Somali Wiki mod on Emir Nur's page that is so evocative of hate, it makes me share.

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I am not the one googling my clan every day just because we tell you the truth that emir nur was no Marehan or darod. Doesn't mean there is an emotional attachment to. The truth is the truth and that is that emir nur had nothing to do with your clan. I know you claim him to uplift your clan confidence. You claim to be not qabiliste yet you find it so important the clan of such a figure. Remember when u used to obsess about ahmed guray being darod. And you had a melt down that he was not and the only Marehan was goita Theodore hiiraabo. Haday habari dhuusto you will say that fart smells like a merehan fart.
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Re: Got a case of Somali Wiki mod on Emir Nur's page that is so evocative of hate, it makes me share.

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Khalid Ali wrote: Sat Apr 03, 2021 11:43 am I am not the one googling my clan every day just because we tell you the truth that emir nur was no Marehan or darod. Doesn't mean there is an emotional attachment to. The truth is the truth and that is that emir nur had nothing to do with your clan. I know you claim him to uplift your clan confidence. You claim to be not qabiliste yet you find it so important the clan of such a figure. Remember when u used to obsess about ahmed guray being darod. And you had a melt down that he was not and the only Marehan was goita Theodore hiiraabo. Haday habari dhuusto you will say that fart smells like a merehan fart.
Jesus Christ.

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DUDE---why do you CARE if I fart, piss, or "google" my clan.


I could care less what you do with yours.

But Jesus Christ thank you for proving what I alluded to.

"You guys" care a little "too" much about anything "Darod."

You ARE NOT in this topic because it has to do with you; you are in it because it has to do with me; and that is something I have never understood.

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Marehan School children in Garbahaarey, Gedo 👇

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Re: Got a case of Somali Wiki mod on Emir Nur's page that is so evocative of hate, it makes me share.

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I care for your sanity dee.. This is not healthy to obsess with a midevil leader. When we all know he has nothing to do with your qabil. Naming a school after it doesn't proof anything you might aswel claim jesus Christ as part of your clan.
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Re: Got a case of Somali Wiki mod on Emir Nur's page that is so evocative of hate, it makes me share.

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Release of an original, gold-standard academic source on this issue that has NEVER been featured on any public discourse online anywhere.

This is the 3rd Gold standard academic source who has identified Emir Nur's origins after Harvel Sabestian and Kurt Wagner and the origin is Marehan 3/3

And from no other than the King Ethiopiologist CERULLI in 1957


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Please refer back to my original post starting this topic.

So now there aren't 2, but 3 gold standard sources in public online discussions out of the 5 I mentioned that exist.

I started this topic to make a point about hate and obsession. I didn't need to bring attention to settle the Wikipedia shenanigans. I could have ended in a second with just this source.

My advice is bitterness and hate and BEING AGAINST something as motivation is only damaging to the individuals who carry it.

Be FOR something; don't be AGAINST something.
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Re: Got a case of Somali Wiki mod on Emir Nur's page that is so evocative of hate, it makes me share.

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Gubbet wrote: Sat Apr 03, 2021 2:18 pm Release of an original, gold-standard academic source on this issue that has NEVER been featured on any public discourse online anywhere.

This is the 3rd Gold standard academic source who has identified Emir Nur's origins after Harvel Sabestian and Kurt Wagner and the origin is Marehan 3/3

And from no other than the King Ethiopiologist CERULLI in 1957


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Where is the original source? how cerulli conclude amir nur was marehan

what medeival eveidence for amir nur is marehan
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