Why can't Somalia defeat its Status quo?

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Why can't Somalia defeat its Status quo?

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I'm not a supporter of Farmaajo but I believe that the status quo needs to be defeated in Somalia. SNM, USC, SSDF AND SPM. They are enimes yet help each other. I believe only a dir or Raxawanye president can do the job. Ethiopia defeated Tplf, Mengestu. Why can't Somalia defeat its status quo. Also I believe Marexan should be banned from president for atleast 20 years. Also, somalis don't realize the status quo help each other. Such as Madasha and putland and Jubbaland alliance as well as bixi and Abdi xashi alliance.
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Isseayaanle wrote: Mon Apr 26, 2021 4:40 pm Why can't Somalia defeat its status quo.
Because Somalia threatened the existence of Ethiopia in late 70s, and this didn't sit well with the world powers. They made sure Somalia gets fragmented, weak, in perpetual chaos & anarachy, and no clear winner emerges.
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paperino wrote: Mon Apr 26, 2021 5:30 pm
Isseayaanle wrote: Mon Apr 26, 2021 4:40 pm Why can't Somalia defeat its status quo.
Because Somalia threatened the existence of Ethiopia in late 70s, and this didn't sit well with the world powers. They made sure Somalia gets fragmented, weak, in perpetual chaos & anarachy, and no clear winner emerges.
I know it's weird. If you look at every country, status quo always changes and they also fight each other. For example, in Ethiopia it was Amxaro, then mengestu then TPLF and now Oromo. You'll never see oromo help TPLF or Amaro help tplf and ormomo. But in Somalia our status quo is weird. They can't come together and build the country because they hate each other. But if a federal government comes they all get scared and start helping each other. For example, I heard Madobe was about to receive delegation form Somaliland for elction. Madasha and Putland hate each other but now are suddenly friends. It reminds me back when they became friends to topple dictator barre and then killed each other. But not it's dictator farmaajo and they'll do the same again. I believe if Somalis who are not part of the staus quo start fighting back we might win. Imagine if Dulbahnte, Marexan, Raxaweyn, dir and all the minority clans start fighting back. I think that's the only solution. It's like each one is happy with what they have and don't topple each other becuase they need each other.
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Isseayaanle wrote: Mon Apr 26, 2021 5:47 pm I know it's weird. If you look at every country, status quo always changes and they also fight each other. For example, in Ethiopia it was Amxaro, then mengestu then TPLF and now Oromo. You'll never see oromo help TPLF or Amaro help tplf and ormomo. But in Somalia our status quo is weird. They can't come together and build the country because they hate each other. But if a federal government comes they all get scared and start helping each other. For example, I heard Madobe was about to receive delegation form Somaliland for elction. Madasha and Putland hate each other but now are suddenly friends. It reminds me back when they became friends to topple dictator barre and then killed each other. But not it's dictator farmaajo and they'll do the same again. I believe if Somalis who are not part of the staus quo start fighting back we might win. Imagine if Dulbahnte, Marexan, Raxaweyn, dir and all the minority clans start fighting back. I think that's the only solution. It's like each one is happy with what they have and don't topple each other becuase they need each other.
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Re: Why can't Somalia defeat its Status quo?

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Lack of responsibility, organization, and accountability is the reason why Somalia stagnated in growth and cannot seem to fully get through the civil war phase. At the end of the day, regardless of who funds who, the status quo of a country solely relies on the decision making of its denizens. Everyone has a mind to function cognitively and a body to use, it's up to you if you want to further the interest of your nation, or be superficial in your promises and be greedy in your ways.

Now, though, it's every man for its self. Becoming self-reliant is what is going to put on the map, and others who failing to understand this concept must see this.
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Isseayaanle wrote: Mon Apr 26, 2021 4:40 pm I'm not a supporter of Farmaajo but I believe that the status quo needs to be defeated in Somalia. SNM, USC, SSDF AND SPM. They are enimes yet help each other. I believe only a dir or Raxawanye president can do the job. Ethiopia defeated Tplf, Mengestu. Why can't Somalia defeat its status quo. Also I believe Marexan should be banned from president for atleast 20 years. Also, somalis don't realize the status quo help each other. Such as Madasha and putland and Jubbaland alliance as well as bixi and Abdi xashi alliance.

USC and SNM, and to some extent SPM were progressive revolutionary organizations that served their purpose. In general, Somalia owes its unfettered freedom to United Somali Congress. Somaliland of course to SNM. Without USC there will be no Puntland, Galmudug, Somaliland, and the free people of Mogadishu. USC brought down a 21 year old brutal dictatorship in Somalia, battled it out for 2 years in Southern Somalia and ultimately expelled him out from Somalia. In the battle of Mogadishu(Black Hawk Down), USC also stood up to a corrupt American imperialist Ambassador and his General, another positive column for a progressive Somalia.

Not everything USC did was desirable since its militia were uneducated and were drawn from a particular clan, an experience common in Somalia at the time.

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Re: Why can't Somalia defeat its Status quo?

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You mean the status quo of the last 60 + yrs that only Hawiye and Darood can be president and prime minister of Somalia??

Yes, this isn’t working and need to be checked.
Time to let other smaller tribes that are more educated or civilized to lead this country out of this 20th century camel herd mentality of tribal pride and blood revenge and into the 21 century.
There are 20 other tribes that are capable, Somalia is not just two tribes.
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IRONm@N wrote: Tue Apr 27, 2021 2:04 am You mean the status quo of the last 60 + yrs that only Hawiye and Darood can be president and prime minister of Somalia??

Yes, this isn’t working and need to be checked.
Time to let other smaller tribes that are more educated or civilized to lead this country out of this 20th century camel herd mentality of tribal pride and blood revenge and into the 21 century.
There are 20 other tribes that are capable, Somalia is not just two tribes.

Across the board, the biggest issue Somalis in politics have is moral deprivation. 99% of people in any office in Somalia are corrupt to the bone. Worse, like all sociopaths they are incapable of changing course or sympathizing with any local project. :lol:

Somalis are tied with South Sudan as the most corrupt ethnic group in the world. Luckily Nigerians are doing their rounds for the world to pay attention to our stat. :lol:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruptio ... ions_Index

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