Big controversy regarding tax collection in libaan zone

[Nomand]

as you can see in the year 2013 tax collection in DDS the top three district where all in libaan zone

dheka suftu was 3rd in 2013 and in 2012 dheka suftu was 4th. so dheka suftu generates a lot of income for the DDS. Lots of youth from libaan zone got angry that their taxes where not being used to implement projects inside their wordea's

[Gubbet]

Not much has changed it seems.

Probably the single most underestimated or least understood aspect about Marehan is ironically the single most underestimated or ignored aspect about the Somali people and culture since the development of a State and focus on developed world concept of State economy----namely livestock.

And Marehan are rich in livestock. Actually, it would not be an understatement to say looking at historical + modern UNDP estimated that Marehan, per capita relative to other Somali sub-clans, are actually even "fabulously" wealthy in livestock, particularly camels. I mean Gedo has more camels than entire territory of Somaliland in the last major UN est.

Following the defeat of Italy in WWII, a gleeful Borana nation expecting Haile Selassie to drive all the Somalis out after the Italians leaving an emptied Liban region as a handsome prize soon became bewildered when they realized not only was this not happening but Haile Selassie wasn't even specifically making the Marehan pay who were the biggest rankers on the Italian side.

When the Borana questioned Haile Selassie's government, do you know what the reply was?

And where will we get the lost revenue in taxes or do you not even know Marehan are our biggest tax payers in the entire eastern region of Ethiopia? The ones in Liban provide more in taxes than your entire province of Borana!

This by Gufu Oba, identified as the most published scholar on indigenous Ethiopian history (himself a Borana

Nomads in the Shadows of Empires

1947

[Nomand]

that's some really good info Voltage.

MX in Ethiopia need to demand way more projects for their region or withhold taxes.

[DaahirMursal]

MXs are delusional people.

Who's gonna tell them that Garre & Degodias are the majority in the Liban zone?

[Gubbet]

MXs are delusional people.

Who's gonna tell them that Garre & Degodias are the majority in the Liban zone?

Let me guess, you think the 100 year old British propaganda clan map is evidence right?

I am 100% you don't even know the closest Liban district to Nageyle town ---thr district of Deka---has a Marehan D.C AND a Marehan Deputy D.C.

https://reliefweb.int/map/ethiopia/ethi ... tober-2020

[Somalization]

Degoodi and Garre are known in Liben and then the Hawadle are third majority in Liibaan Zone.

The Hawadle (Allagumar) have a District Commissioner in the capital of Liban Zone, Filtu. His name is Mudane Hussein Gijaale. A well known guy in Filtu City and loved by everyone.

Is Negeyle even a District in Liben? I thought Liben was split among 3 Districts:

Filtu D.C held by Hawadle
Moyale D.C held by Garre
And Dolo Ado DC and Liben Governorship held by the Degoodi.

[Gubbet]

Degoodi and Garre are known in Liben and then the Hawadle are third majority in Liibaan Zone.

The Hawadle (Allagumar) have a District Commissioner in the capital of Liban Zone, Filtu. His name is Mudane Hussein Gijaale. A well known guy in Filtu City and loved by everyone.

Is Negeyle even a District in Liben? I thought Liben was split among 3 Districts:

Filtu D.C held by Hawadle
Moyale D.C held by Garre
And Dolo Ado DC and Liben Governorship held by the Degoodi.

Thank you for giving me a chance to respond to you since you have been notorious for spreading misinformation about this issue on various platforms buttressed by two very constant factors;

1. Incredibly dishonest about the equities of Marehan in Liban; engaging in unconscionable denial of it.

2. Incredibly dishonest about the equities of Hawadle in Liban; even to the point of doctoring false unsourced misinformation to confer undue privilege.

I will respond little bit later and I will make sure you understand whatn "true, fact-based evidence" is when making a "claim."

[Gubbet]

In the meantime, peruse this recent topic about Liban where I brought you up except this time making an example of you in an Ethiopian forum where ironically an Oromo actually schools you about Liban region and specifically about Marehan and Liban.

I mean you can't make this up.

Sbashi, are you speaking from eye witness accounts?

The most interesting thing about the Marehan history in Liban and Nagele is just how under told/unknown it is to the Somali speaking people when Marehan are the single most historically important Somali group in NAGELE---EVEN TODAY.

This reminds me of a conversation I came across a while back while researching this.

It is a conversation that took place on an Ethiopian forum called "Mereja" where a Somali guy giggles at an Oromo guy's "ignorance" then precedes to "correct" him with sneering arrogance.

The Somali is certain beyond a shadow of a doubt "Marehan" and Borana can't possibly be fighting because----


----because "Borana" are not at the "Somali border."

The Oromo is like I don't know what you are talking about borders, Samaale, Mooyaale, blah blah blah.... "Marehan" is an aggressive, expansionist Somali group and right now they got their district on the doorstep of Nagele. "

The Somali then... well here read it yourself;

I colored the Somali guy Blue.






https://www.mereja.com/forum/viewtopic. ... bf01722201

After little digging I realized the Somali poster was infamous on this site as well harping on about the usual. I won't say any names but it isn't that hard to figure out.

But really his profound ignorance (what an irony!) on this issue wasn't unique.

Only Garre and Dagoodi really understand how misleading and incorrect the infamous Somali clan mapping of southern Ethiopia and how deep Marehan are to Nageyle.

https://www.somalinet.com/forums/viewto ... 6&t=402496

[Sbashi]

MXs are delusional people.

Who's gonna tell them that Garre & Degodias are the majority in the Liban zone?

Let me guess, you think the 100 year old British propaganda clan map is evidence right?

I am 100% you don't even know the closest Liban district to Nageyle town ---thr district of Deka---has a Marehan D.C AND a Marehan Deputy D.C.

https://reliefweb.int/map/ethiopia/ethi ... tober-2020

Don't bother entertaining these trolls, it's obvious they are saying this to get a reaction.

[ReturnOfMariixmaan]

Gubbet,

You got him confused bro. He isn’t the pest.

[Gubbet]

Sbashi,

To be honest, I just said later because I was too bored by the harmless, snakelike attempt at getting attention.

Harmless because he is lying and he knows it. It's not only because of the obvious reasons he provided 0 sources, but he also has edited Wikipedia and manufactured the fake Ethiopian alleged census charts. I call it harmless because when someone is debating a false argument they really believe it is completely different to someone who is manufacturing the misinformation they are spreading. It makes me sympathetic that there may be psycho-emotional issues involved.

Snake-like because the strategy is shadowy like and not genuine; I literally linkedthe most recent official Ethiopian Somali region federal map right before his post and dude displays gross ignorance about the basic geography of what he wants to talk about.

1. Moyale is not part of Liban District, but is part of Dawwa District
2. Dawwa District immediately to the south of Liban District is also where all Garre land has been grouped.
3. Liban has 4 districts; Filtu, Dolo Odo, Boqolmayo, and Dheka Suftu made in 2012.

FInally, it is probably true Degoodi is a plurality in Liban, but certainly Marehan are by far the 2nd largest group. Furthermore, they have Deka District all to themselves, and are the 2nd largest group in Filtu for certain.

Boqolmayo is majority Garrammarre, Gabaabweyn, and assorted related stock to Shiidle in the Shabelle.

Dolo Odo is extremely diverse and includes Degoodi, Dir, Garremarre, Gabaabweyn, Rahanweyn, and yes Gugundhabe.

All of this is evidenced by the million academic and humanitarian research studies online on this subject.

But I doubt someone who doesn't even have basic geographical knowledge of "Liban"---even after the most recent official administrative map was posted---would have read any research or be aware of much about this subject.

For starters, I recommend crash crash geography lesson on the subject. Once, I provide the link to the map;

https://reliefweb.int/map/ethiopia/ethi ... tober-2020

[Gubbet]

Gubbet,

You got him confused bro. He isn’t the pest.

Hawdian, him, another Dir guy, more---it's all the same "Samaalist" person.

They claim Isaaq, Ogaadeen, Hawaadle, etc but are probably Dir with dual or even multi-ethnic identity---even in real life.

[Gubbet]

In hindsight, my tone in the preceding posts was extremely biting. If it seems disproportionate, it is because I was not responding to a single post made in this topic per se, but an amalgamation of misinformation that had built up almost always with Someone in the middle of the picture. At least, as far as I suspect.

[Sbashi]

Sbashi,

To be honest, I just said later because I was too bored by the harmless, snakelike attempt at getting attention.

Harmless because he is lying and he knows it. It's not only because of the obvious reasons he provided 0 sources, but he also has edited Wikipedia and manufactured the fake Ethiopian alleged census charts. I call it harmless because when someone is debating a false argument they really believe it is completely different to someone who is manufacturing the misinformation they are spreading. It makes me sympathetic that there may be psycho-emotional issues involved.

Snake-like because the strategy is shadowy like and not genuine; I literally linkedthe most recent official Ethiopian Somali region federal map right before his post and dude displays gross ignorance about the basic geography of what he wants to talk about.

1. Moyale is not part of Liban District, but is part of Dawwa District
2. Dawwa District immediately to the south of Liban District is also where all Garre land has been grouped.
3. Liban has 4 districts; Filtu, Dolo Odo, Boqolmayo, and Dheka Suftu made in 2012.

FInally, it is probably true Degoodi is a plurality in Liban, but certainly Marehan are by far the 2nd largest group. Furthermore, they have Deka District all to themselves, and are the 2nd largest group in Filtu for certain.

Boqolmayo is majority Garrammarre, Gabaabweyn, and assorted related stock to Shiidle in the Shabelle.

Dolo Odo is extremely diverse and includes Degoodi, Dir, Garremarre, Gabaabweyn, Rahanweyn, and yes Gugundhabe.

All of this is evidenced by the million academic and humanitarian research studies online on this subject.

But I doubt someone who doesn't even have basic geographical knowledge of "Liban"---even after the most recent official administrative map was posted---would have read any research or be aware of much about this subject.

For starters, I recommend crash crash geography lesson on the subject. Once, I provide the link to the map;

https://reliefweb.int/map/ethiopia/ethi ... tober-2020

I want to point out that hudet used to be heavy mx presence. Even in Yabelo today there's some celi dheere presence which surprised me in the beginning too. You should also know going further west in guji zone mx are present in a place called shakiso My sub-clan for example have mostly come back to deeka suftu but there's still some sections there. After the war mx scattered and had no district named for them. The geeljires who lost their livestock to degoodia became miners there. The place has one of the two big mines in oromia if i'm not wrong.

[zidane88]

https://www.africa.upenn.edu/eue_web/libanzon.htm


Liban zone constitutes one of the 9 units forming the structure of administration of the Ethiopian Somali National Regional State (see map), formerly known as ‘Region 5’. It is located at the south-western part of the region, which, after Oromia, is the second largest autonomous federal unit of the Federal Democratic Republic of Ethiopia. Certainly one the largest if not the biggest zone in the region, the study zone is divided into 3 districts (weredas): Liban/Filtu, Doollo Addo, and Mooyaale. The last two commonly bear the names of the largest towns in their respective districts- Doollo Addo, and Mooyaale.

Liban district is located at a frontier line between the traditional territories of the Somali and Oromo groups occupying the south western part of Ethiopia. Accordingly, local groups of both Somali and Oromo nationalities have a vested interest in the control of the relatively rich pastoral resources in the district and therefore advance opposing claims.

Ambiguities arising from its location at an ill-defined border area between rival and predominantly nomadic groups of distinct ethnic origin, is compounded by being home to three often antagonistic and large Oromo groups: Guji, Arsi and Borana. These diverse Oromo groups certainly compete for the control of Liban district, but unanimously agree its status as an Oromo constituency and administrative unit under the Borana zone, whose zonal capital and district town is Negelle.

Similarly, Liban/Filtu district is the home area of diverse Somali clans. The southern part of this socially mixed district adjoining Doollo district is an extension of Digodia territory, while the northern part starting from Xey Sufto village as far as Negelle town and its surroundings form the traditional territories of four Somali clans: Mareexaan (displaced since 1992), Gurre (dispossessed of its stocks), Ajuran and Karanle. Like their Oromo counterparts, these Somali clans consider Liban district as their land, and entertain the desire of it becoming a Somali administrative unit under Liban zone, whose zonal and district center would be Negelle town.

Liban zone has an extensive border with two neighboring countries: Somalia and Kenya. The two important district administration seats and trade centers in the zone, Doollo Addo and Mooyaale, are strategically located at important border points with Somalia and the predominantly Somali Northeastern region of Kenya respectively. As will be shown later, the border towns in Doollo and Mooyaale districts have become important gateways for the movement of goods and people. In contrast to the link with Somalia and Kenya, long-time contact between the Somali camel herding clans in the zone and the neighboring cattle rearing Borana and Arsi Oromo groups resulted in cultural exchanges but failed to create harmonious relationship between them. The policy of regionalisation along ethnic lines introduced by the transitional government further aggravated this traditional hostility between independent Somali clans and the Borana after 1992.
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