Are darood Arab,Eritrean,or Egypt

[Azkaban]

Look through a Harari dictionary or old Ethio-Semitic Abyssinian court or state glossary and pretty much all the old names in Marehan abtirsi that we thought was pre-Islamic is pretty much from Harar (Adal) who also used Ethio-Semitic Harari as official language.

And all those old names start after "Abadir" itself the name of the patron Saint of Harar whom the people of Harar even today credit as the original founder of the city



It is obvious from everyway you look (written record, cultire, clan groupings, even geneology) Marehan is Hararian "old blood"

so what does this mean are you telling me that marehan abtiris is actually Ethio Semitic and our origins lay in harar what about Eritrea I heard some people saying that darood or even maybe marehans themselves were originally Semitic speaking Aksumite from Eritrea is that true

[Gubbet]

Brother, you have repeated that question a lot and I don't have the answer.

I am of the opinion Marehan is from the Kingdom of Murrah/Mara which was between Eritrea Akile Guzai to Harar.

At some point the Kingdom of Murra folded/federated with the Adal Sultanate of Zeila which would transfar during middle ages to Harar and then Aussa after Middle Ages.

At point of federation, the high level intermarriages were exchanged and the Murrab leadership took on a special role below the Sultan but above all the other nobility. The title of Goita alludes to this, they were probably considered Grand Duke in control of trade routes or important border.

Information about the beginning is not very hazy or extensive and both Somalia and that Muslim eastern part of Ethiopia have not been thr best researched archeologically so information is sparse and from disparate origins.

[Azkaban]

@gubbet interesting I’ve noticed a lot of Somalis these days claim that Somalis were waaq worshipers is this true what do you have to say about this situation sxb

[Gubbet]

Spin off topic on geneology

https://www.somalinet.com/forums/viewto ... 6&t=403270

[Gubbet]

Kingdom of Mara

Historic place naming significant to archeological and geographical place setting


At merger


Possible beginning of end of merger

[Gubbet]

@gubbet interesting I’ve noticed a lot of Somalis these days claim that Somalis were waaq worshipers is this true what do you have to say about this situation sxb

Hiding behind this faux controversy is the worst form of xenophobia on the basis of modern socio-politics and all of it made possible by unadulterated ignorance.

That xenophobia seems to be thinly disguised anti-Oromo cultural referencing.

But the thing is "waaq" doesn't belong to Oromo. In fact, the first recorded mention of the word "waaq" as a name for God anywhere in East Africa is from. Zaylac!

200 years before Ahmed Gurey's war and almost 300 years before the Oromo famous invasion of Ethiopia including settling between Muslim coast and Abbysinia.

Maqrizi recorded "Waaq from Zayla" among the many words for "Allah" or "God" in the Muslim world.

There is virtually no scholarly criticism or contestation of this ever since Cerulli argued it was very apparent that the source of the word to Maqrizi was from Somali usage.

1. Somali is a Cushitic language, just like Oromo, and Waaq is very much a part of many root words even today
2. Zayla was virtually almost completely Somali inhabited even then
3. Somalis were Muslims and the it was Muslims who used it

Waaq my friend is even, along with the "Guulle", the most artistic reference to God even today in Somali poetry.

It also is part of ao many religious inspired roots like "cawaaqib" (fate)and barwaaqo (thanksgiving) including directional referencing liKE "Waaqooyi" (north).

Waaq's root is EARTH/MOUND speaking to creation and strength, evem in other Afro-asiatic languages like Arabic QUWA is strength and waaqa'a is to have the strength to get up

In the Qur'am it is even used as an adjective for God (wali walaa waaq, guardian and protector).

So my friend, behind your question is a general Somali cultural xenophobia rooted in ignorance about their own linguistic and cultural history going by why the predominant motivation always behind this question.

Waaq is a Cushitic language word for God, it can be used by a Somali Muslim for Allah as maqrizi wrote in the 12th century or it can be used by a Borana Animist today in 2021.

That's all there is to this word.

Before Islam , there was probably another concept of God, monotheistic even, that we probably referred to as "God" so that concept would have been the object of reference to Waaq, but I have come across no research that theorizes that conception might havr been Waqaffena concept informing the traditional Oromo belief system.

So that is the extent of informalion concerning Waaq.

It was (and is) one of our references for God as an Cushitic speaking people, but there is no evidence Somalis practiced Waqaffena or practiced Gadda, two institutionalized social and religious systems used by our Oromo cousins.

[Azkaban]

@gubbwt so waaq waaq was only practiced by Somalia the also what’s the connection between waaq and south Arabia cuz in the kingdom of minean in Yemen several names of kings had waaq in their name for example waqahil riyam,waqhil sadiq,llyafa waqah,waqah,il yitha all were ancient Yemeni kings of minean

[Voltage]

No, Waaq was not only practiced by Somalia brother. Waaq was not a practice; it's simply a "reference" ("name") for the "object" of worship in a practice.

So today Waaq (the reference "God") is Allah (the object of "worship") in Islam (our " practice")

Before Islam, Waaq (" God") could have been Eebe (the object of "worship") in Yibir/Ibir (our "practice" in say earlier afro-asiatic time).

As an example;

In Pagan Rendille culture (Rendille considered Somaloid, closer than Oromo) "Iblo/Yiblo" are the "healers/shamans."

In old Canaan and Sumeria, Hapiru were the priests who worked at the temple to the Sun God.

Hapiru is the origins of the "Hebrew."

When you look at that and then see how the only pagan Somaloid group Rendille still practice this culture, do you think it is just a coincidence our demonized group happens to be be named "Yibir."

No, I wager they were the priests before conversion to Islam and a violent socio-cultural revolution informed by acceptance of the new religion overthrew them and then oppressed them.

The Yemeni thing is not causative or direct link to this issue; as I said Arabic is afro-asiatic so we share many roots and the root QA /AQA is one for earth/mound. We both trace our particular usage of the reference from that similar root.

[Voltage]

So of my past points on pre-Islam Somali culture

• The Matrix Of The Somali Clan/Social Structure
  
  
  1. Mawt = The Shroud = Death
     
  2. Maal = The Arrow/Bow = Survival
     
  3. Moor = The Totem = Wisdom
     
  4. Mayrah = The Balm = Annointing

Our entire social/clan structure as Somalis is the manifestation of the existential tension between (Divine - Sacred) / Temporal

Even what we demonized and outcasted represent the fallen Elite from camps who succumbed to the evolutionary battle between Divine and Sacred for Supremacy over the Temporal.

1. Heaven
   
   1. Sacred = The Spirits of Fire, Air, and Water
      
   2. Divine = Monotheism From Waaq To Islam
   
   
   
2. Earth
   
   • Temporal = From Scavenging To Hunting/Gathering To Animal Husbandry To Agro-Pastorialism

I give you The Matrix of the Somali Clan/Social Structure

[Voltage]

• Mawt = The Shroud = Death
  
  • Mag/Mid/Madag/Madax/Madal/Madar/Midig/Uur/Guur/Goor
  • Madiigaan, Madaxweyne, Magaado, Madaluug, Midigayn, Uurmidig, Madarkicis, Maadanle, Gorgaarte, Gurgura, Gurre
• Maal = The Arrow/Bow = Survival
  
  • Maale/Sabe/Dhabe/Dhige/Dame, Tirre
  • Sacmaal/Biyamaal/Baajimaal/Hormaal/Hantale/Kabaale/Kablaale/Karanle/Ciidagale/Gugundhabe/Ishaandhabe/Dhabarre/Hadaame, Bartirre, Xiniftirre/Coltirre
• Moor = The Totem = Wisdom
  
  • Yabar/Yeber/Yahan/Ugaar/Lehe/Jecle/Saan/Samaan/Door
  • Cawlyahan/Biciidyahan/Ugaaryahan/Toljecle/Gaaljecel/Yabarre/Yabar/Samane/Amaanle/Wacaysle/Mirifle/Jambeele/Biciide/Foorculus/Warculus/Eeyle/Gariire/Himidoor/Nabidoor
• Mayrah = The Balm = Annointing
  
  • Same/Sade/Suge/Fiqi/Ayal/Ab/Aw, Mur/Mar/Luub/Lib/Har/Gel/Gar
  • Awsame/Absame/Abgaal/Absuge/Mareexaan/Martiile/Harti/Hariin/Liibaan/Libiyaal/Sade/Murursade/Samaroon/Dirisame/Samatalis/Geledi/Gareen/Fiqi Ahmed/Fiqi Muxumud/Ayyal Yoonis/Abba Yoonis/AwQutub/Faqay

[Voltage]

1. Somali Language Etymology for "Spiritual Passing"
   • Mag/Mid/Madag/Madax/Madal/Madar/Midig/Uur/Guur/Goor
2. Somali Language Etymology for "Temporary Living"
   • Same/Sade/Suge/Fiqi/Ayal/Ab/Aw, Mur/Mar/Luub/Lib/Har/Gel/Gar

Matrix informs the "Mawt" group were probably the old pre-Monotheistic spiritual healers ( "Wadaado").

Somehow; the named ones escaped the unfortunate fate of their class (pre-Islamic spiritual healers) when society went from Paganism to Monotheism (Waaq).

Probably the "Midgaan" class today represent the unfortunate members of the pre-Islamic spiritual healers who were routhlessly and violently destroyed/suppressed when we went from Pagans/Spirituality to Monotheism (Waaq).

It is possible the "Midgaan" class today represent clans among the class of healers who revolted and attempted to resist the new Monotheistic world order---but were defeated and utterly subjugated.

Conversely, the groups named in Mawt are probably the ones among the old class of healers who did not resist and possibly even welcomed or contributed to the new Monotheistic world order.

They were possibly then forgiven, given amnesty, but for sure certainly allowed to continue the privilege of social membership and identity.

In this way, Uurmidig in Mareexaan and Madaxweyne in Dir are probably the oldest group of "wadaado" in their groups.

[Khalid Ali]

Waaq is not a cushite god afar beja saho never worshiped Waaq. Only darood and oromo and rendile worshiped Waaq. Waaq is a pagan galla God.

[Thecoolguysomali]

What other websites do yll use other than? somalinet? Voltage and khalid been here long damnnnn

[Azkaban]

Waaq is not a cushite god afar beja saho never worshiped Waaq. Only darood and oromo and rendile worshiped Waaq. Waaq is a pagan galla God.

You are the biggest qabiliste I’ve seen in this form you have an agenda to link darood with Oromo with no evidence of darood being Oromo and waaq was only practiced by Somalis before islam not Oromo and Oromo recently expanded to the horn they were living in Kenya before Islam came to them in before that its was only Somalis who was living in the south so how can Oromo worship waaq fear allah dude stop making up lie waaq originated in zaylac

[Azkaban]

Waaq is not a cushite god afar beja saho never worshiped Waaq. Only darood and oromo and rendile worshiped Waaq. Waaq is a pagan galla God.

it was all somalis darood dir isaaq worship waaq don’t try to single out your qabil wasakh