Darod power sharing in Somalia

[Gubbet]

Also it is not based on "numbers" entirely as Marehan powersharing system recognizes "historical redress" for 2 specifically identified groups as in encoded into the customary constitution (Xeer).

LITERALLY thr entire sub-clan background of the reps holding Marehan seats can change completely and entirely today, including not even have 1 rep from my own reer Diini subclan, and that would be entirely a political issue but legally and customarily nothing preventing it.

Whereas the two specific recipients of the redress CANNOT evem receive competition for or challenge to their seats/representation. They are literally recognized as "owning" it.

So the Marehan Clan powersharing system IS ACTUALLY NOT ONLY RADICAL but it is an extremely PROGRESSIVE customary law.

I honestly think if a constitutional lawyer or something of that discpline came across this, they would be shocked by the vibrancy and complexity of such a thing hiding among this rubble.

It is not even a new evolution. Recall the most internationally valued and celebrated research informing Somali customary law is Cerulli's Text of the Constitueudinary Law of Marehan Somalia which he was inspired to write a 100 years ago almost due to as he said his complete surprise and wonder at the developed nature of Somali customary law whose complexity and depth was most represented by Marehan Xeer as he explained leading him to write about Somali Xeer through exploring Marehan Xeer as am aspect of it

[Gubbet]

It is taught at Yale Law School

Texts of the consuetudinary law of the Marrehân Somali

https://ehrafworldcultures.yale.edu/ehr ... d=mo04-022

[MrSinister]

That’s actually interesting. I also wouldn’t be surprised if 4.5 is inspired by that. Are you saying this has always been part of marehan xeer?and why does Gedo get 2/3. Is it to reflect population?

This is kind of stuff is interesting and should be taught as part of Somali history.

[barbarossa]

No I do not agree. For starters ogadeen are a minority. They are only relevant because of kenya.

If darod has to share by 3 then it would be dh, mx and mj. I would put warsangali and leelkase above og in somalia.

Would mj rotate with dhulbahante in puntland. Because dhulbahante have more population and land then ogadeen in somalia.

Dhulbahante make up more of puntland population then ogaden do in jubbaland.

Currently there is not a single town city or district that belong to dhulbahante. Are in puntland hands. So how could they basically lead puntland or can have the presidency of puntland its like dm leading jubbaland. When there is no gobol in jubbaland that is dm. Apart from a district in gedo.

Why is this Idoor in the internal affairs of Jeberti ?

As per northern dhaqan, Qaladaan youths are subject to the following peculiar rite of passage that is said to go back for hundreds of years. Upon turning fifteen, the youth must be conducted by his father to the most sacred precinct of Hargaisa, the mausoleum of Ishaq ben Hashim, the patron saint of Somaliland. At the conclusion of the ceremony, the youngster that is being initiated must, on the very altar of that most revered of sheikhs shrine, swear with utmost solemnity an eternal enmity against the cursed Faqash swines.

[gobdoon]

To be honest Somalia YOWMU QIYAAM would come while We are squabbling over nothing as we are a difficult people in Somalia you can walk miles without encountering another individual on your way the land is empty and a plenty the population less than 20 millions, and yet look other nations where population is Billion or 100's of millions yet they coexist peacefully share the land and abide by the law of the land and look at us fueding Qabiil by Qabiil and neglecting and ignoring law and order and nation hood, believe me should we carry on the way we are, another ethnic people would come and take over the land
How about best man and best women who is qualified and can do the job but not REER HEBEL IYO REER HEBEL, because that would never stop until you go log a head with your brother

[TarTar]

Currently there is not a single town city or district that belong to dhulbahante. Are in puntland hands. So how could they basically lead puntland or can have the presidency of puntland its like dm leading jubbaland. When there is no gobol in jubbaland that is dm. Apart from a district in gedo.

Why is this Idoor in the internal affairs of Jeberti ?

As per northern dhaqan, Qaladaan youths are subject to the following peculiar rite of passage that is said to go back for hundreds of years. Upon turning fifteen, the youth must be conducted by his father to the most sacred precinct of Hargaisa, the mausoleum of Ishaq ben Hashim, the patron saint of Somaliland. At the conclusion of the ceremony, the youngster that is being initiated must, on the very altar of that most revered of sheikhs shrine, swear with utmost solemnity an eternal enmity against the cursed Faqash swines.

ask him y is Pland enjoying complete independence from FGS yet they want a say in choosing a prez who only has some power in GM, HS, KG states, n Hamar city

[skywalker25]

No Marehan has AN ACTUAL powersharing system that is not about "understanding." It means black and white like 4.5. There is no bargaining nor debate. It is codified in Xeer Marehan.

1. National powersharing between Marehan Mudug nd Msrehan Gedo

• Clean, no messy, equal division based on wholes is 1/3 for Mudug every 2/3 fo Gedo
  
  • If there are 3 seats for Marehan nationally, Mudug gets 1 and Gedo 2. If 6 seats, Mudug 2, Gedo 4. If 9 seats,Mudug 3, Gedo 6
  • Ratio is exactly 2:1 (2 M Gedo + 1 M Mudug = 3 Marehan Nationally)
  • The Senate perfectly captures this, Marehan has 3 Senate seats where Gedo took 2 and Mudug took 1).
• For any additional Marehan seat nationally that would not satisfy a clean, WHOLE division of 1/3, it is rounded UP as a reward to Gedo on a ratio of 2.5:1. Usually when Gedo reaches or is in excess of 70% of the total does Mudug receive the next addition
  • So since 4.5 started, of Marehan 14 MPs Gedo has owned 10 and Mudug 4.

And that's before we get to the Region specific power sharing knowm as "Xaal" im Gedo and "Afar Waaxood" in Mudug

It is actually coded. "Alderman" kind of political Constituency and IT IS NOT ENTIRELY BASED ON LINEAGE which is so radical for the Somali 4.5 system.

This all sounds like some alien marexaan from another galaxy. The one our planet Voltage cannot build a single federal state nor any organised admin. Sorry to burst your bubble but it gets quite tiresome reading your constant fairytales with no accountability. It's almost like you're on some make believe story.....

[ReturnOfMariixmaan]

No Marehan has AN ACTUAL powersharing system that is not about "understanding." It means black and white like 4.5. There is no bargaining nor debate. It is codified in Xeer Marehan.

1. National powersharing between Marehan Mudug nd Msrehan Gedo

• Clean, no messy, equal division based on wholes is 1/3 for Mudug every 2/3 fo Gedo
  
  • If there are 3 seats for Marehan nationally, Mudug gets 1 and Gedo 2. If 6 seats, Mudug 2, Gedo 4. If 9 seats,Mudug 3, Gedo 6
  • Ratio is exactly 2:1 (2 M Gedo + 1 M Mudug = 3 Marehan Nationally)
  • The Senate perfectly captures this, Marehan has 3 Senate seats where Gedo took 2 and Mudug took 1).
• For any additional Marehan seat nationally that would not satisfy a clean, WHOLE division of 1/3, it is rounded UP as a reward to Gedo on a ratio of 2.5:1. Usually when Gedo reaches or is in excess of 70% of the total does Mudug receive the next addition
  • So since 4.5 started, of Marehan 14 MPs Gedo has owned 10 and Mudug 4.

And that's before we get to the Region specific power sharing knowm as "Xaal" im Gedo and "Afar Waaxood" in Mudug

It is actually coded. "Alderman" kind of political Constituency and IT IS NOT ENTIRELY BASED ON LINEAGE which is so radical for the Somali 4.5 system.

This all sounds like some alien marexaan from another galaxy. The one our planet Voltage cannot build a single federal state nor any organised admin. Sorry to burst your bubble but it gets quite tiresome reading your constant fairytales with no accountability. It's almost like you're on some make believe story.....

What has Habar Jeclo done to warrant such uppity attitude with us? Lmao

[Nomand]

Mrsinster

Dhulbahante is a big clan with big land. dhulbahante is bigger then any isaaq subclan and has more population. they have two good sized cities (laascanood and buuhoodle) and lost of villages like taleex and boocaame.

here is dhulbahante map

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... elkase.png

they also live deep inside Ethiopia. darod should share somalia by 4.5.

1 --MX
1 -- dhulbahante
1 -- MJ
0.75 -- warsangeli
0.25 -- leelkaase
0.25 --ogadeen
0.25 -- rest of darod

[MrSinister]

I’m interested to hear from Beesha OG. Jubbaland will either be resolved peacefully through power sharing or the status quo remains and there is conflicts which isn’t good for anyone.

[grandpakhalif]

No, as long as the minority Ogaden try to hold onto power via Kenya it will never work you have to accept the reality on the ground which is JL = MX HEGEMONY. Even AS respected this when they ruled Kismayo and peace reigned. OG belong to Dhoobley and Afmadow and Qooqaani and Buale. They should liberate their own ancestral lands before demanding anything. Gedo is free today with 7 districts under firm MX control. OG need to accept this reality or face war for millennia.

[skywalker25]

Mrsinster

Dhulbahante is a big clan with big land. dhulbahante is bigger then any isaaq subclan and has more population. they have two good sized cities (laascanood and buuhoodle) and lost of villages like taleex and boocaame.

here is dhulbahante map

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... elkase.png

they also live deep inside Ethiopia. darod should share somalia by 4.5.

1 --MX
1 -- dhulbahante
1 -- MJ
0.75 -- warsangeli
0.25 -- leelkaase
0.25 --ogadeen
0.25 -- rest of darod

Dont mean to piss on your parade, and I fully understand you want to delegitimize Ogaden to further your own agenda. But, no way in hell is Dhulbahnte bigger than Sacad Musse let alone HA, HY or HJ. We can argue about Cidagale/Arab etc. Who it so happends also live from Hargeisa deep into Ethiopia. Infact, one could argue the section of Hargeisa that they reside has more population than the two ''good size cities'', the Dhulbahnte have..

But if you compare Dhulbahnte, to Marexaan - who nobody has any idea what largely populated city they reside in, than Dhulbahnte is most certainly a large tribe...

[Nomand]

Skywalker,

lets for example look at somaliland. if you go north of hargeysa you encounter desert all the way to the ocean you will find a handful of very small villages. south of hargeysa all the way to the ethiopian border you will find again a handful of villages if you look at google map those villages are probably 20 or less households.

east of hargeysa the only town between hargeysa and burco is oodweyne and if you look at google maps there are probably between 50 to 70 households in oodweyne.

from berbera to xiis on the coast, the distance is 133 miles and there is not a single village inbetween them. Xiis itself has literally 5 buildings.

if we look at east of burco all the way to ceerigaabo a distance of 145 miles. there are literally only 4 very small villages.

compare that to laasacanood 10 miles on each direction has decent sized villages. and no isaaq subclan has a city the size of laasacanood.

dhulbahante is a large clan. MX is also a large clan no isaaq sub clan has a town the size of

1) caabudwaaq
2) baardheera
3) beledxaawo

i have not even included kismaayo which MX are atleast 60 percent of the population.

[STARKAST]

No Marehan has AN ACTUAL powersharing system that is not about "understanding." It means black and white like 4.5. There is no bargaining nor debate. It is codified in Xeer Marehan.

1. National powersharing between Marehan Mudug nd Msrehan Gedo

• Clean, no messy, equal division based on wholes is 1/3 for Mudug every 2/3 fo Gedo
  
  • If there are 3 seats for Marehan nationally, Mudug gets 1 and Gedo 2. If 6 seats, Mudug 2, Gedo 4. If 9 seats,Mudug 3, Gedo 6
  • Ratio is exactly 2:1 (2 M Gedo + 1 M Mudug = 3 Marehan Nationally)
  • The Senate perfectly captures this, Marehan has 3 Senate seats where Gedo took 2 and Mudug took 1).
• For any additional Marehan seat nationally that would not satisfy a clean, WHOLE division of 1/3, it is rounded UP as a reward to Gedo on a ratio of 2.5:1. Usually when Gedo reaches or is in excess of 70% of the total does Mudug receive the next addition
  • So since 4.5 started, of Marehan 14 MPs Gedo has owned 10 and Mudug 4.

And that's before we get to the Region specific power sharing knowm as "Xaal" im Gedo and "Afar Waaxood" in Mudug

It is actually coded. "Alderman" kind of political Constituency and IT IS NOT ENTIRELY BASED ON LINEAGE which is so radical for the Somali 4.5 system.

This all sounds like some alien marexaan from another galaxy. The one our planet Voltage cannot build a single federal state nor any organised admin. Sorry to burst your bubble but it gets quite tiresome reading your constant fairytales with no accountability. It's almost like you're on some make believe story.....

[Khalid Ali]

Habaryoonis is atleast 3 times the size of dhulbahante. You can believe that. During the 1930s the British made an estimation maybe some one can post it. Habar awal in Somaliland is larger the. Dhulbahante and wasakhgali Combined. I am sure Gabiley is larger then buhoodle and wajaale is larger then laascanood.