Xaqiiq Walee!!!

[guhad122]

Ugaaskan Reer Xasan runta ayuu ka hadlay Walee. Faafax Dhuun iyo Buusaar baa xuduud inoo aheyd.

[grandpakhalif]

Nin waalan qolkiis ka dhex hadlaaya baad qiimo yeeshteen tabarti Madoobe intaas miya

[NGM]

[Gubbet]

Thank you for a wonderful opportunity to correct the record.

It seems your motivation for starting this topic may have been driven by an illogical fallacy called "non-sequitur."

Non-sequitor basically means the premise or the 'basic facts' may be true, but the 'conclusion' derived from them are absolutely false.

The gentleman stated basic facts. Your conclusion unrooted to time, context, or relevance are not. They are part of the mythology used to assauge grievance making.

Topic: Faafaxdhuun.

1. You talk incessantly about it claiming it as where "Siad Barre" removed the last Ogaden grazing in Gedo.
   • In reality Marehan seized Faafaxdhuun through active state of hostilities over a 100 years ago
2. In 1917, TS Thomas, the Senior Assistant to Nairobi based EAP Governor Belfield wrote from on the ground in Serinley (a suburb of Baardheere), the exact year, month, and date Marehan seized Faafaxdhuun, part of then Serinlay District, after deciding to finally end Abdirahman Mursal's belligerance.
   • It was not even the British, but Marehan who made him flee back to Ethiopia once and for all after the 1916 seizure of Faafaxdhuun, the destruction of his maxim gun, and even inflicting a serious wound on him
3. The oddly ahistorical fixation with Faafaxdhuun as a Siad Barre inflicted grievance by Ogaden is simple, not complex to explain as an ethos for myth creation
   
   • Faafaxdhuun was just another watering hole like all others in the land. The reason Ogaden make a huge issue out of Faafaxdhuun is because of the psychological impact and inference to be drawn internally about group identity since it is where the decisive Marehan defeat of Abdirahman Mursal was forever concluded
     
     • There was no more Abdirahman Mursal in the entire land, issue, or context of the whole of the new land after the Marehan victory and seizure of Faafahdhuun.
4. He literally fled back to Ethiopia, whence he originally migrated from, and he died in his ancestral lands in Afdheer.
   • It would have been extraordinarily unusual for Ogaden oral history, like all nomadic Somali oral history, to recognize and contribute to the codification and passing down of such, objectively-speaking, an "ignomonious defeat" conclusively settled at their greatest expense; namely the informing factor of Somali clan identity in-group and their oral historical continuity of valor, strength, and perpetual victory, etc etc etc
     
     Apparently the only things in subjective Somali historiagraphy going by what our clans tell us.
5. They could not and did not ever recognize Faafaxdhuun was lost in 1916, because to do so would be to recognize WHY it was lost.
   
   • No Somali clan would voluntarily recognize why a Faafaxdhuun was lost in 1916.
6. So of course, then, 'Siad Barre stole it for Marehan."
   • Remarkably unfortunate for Ogaden in this situation, the British Government was now ruling this part of the Somali territory and Mr TS Thomas, the Senior Assistant to Nairobi based EAP Governor Belfield, was now officially tasked with on the record field scribing.

Basic Facts = Correct.
Conclusion = Incorrect.

Difference: Failure to recognize the historically contemporaneous records of the change in history in 1916.

The boundary between us 'was' at Faafaxdhuun; before 1916----over a 105 years ago.

[Rebelxx22]

The war was between Ogaden led by warrior General Abdirahman Mursal vs the British empire and their slave footsoldiers the Kar. Marehans at that time were Kar soldiers brought by the British army to defeat the resistance but were humiliated on multiple occasions.

[Rebelxx22]

Ugaaskan Reer Xasan runta ayuu ka hadlay Walee. Faafax Dhuun iyo Buusaar baa xuduud inoo aheyd.

Al Xaqiiqa

[NGM]

Ugaaskan Reer Xasan runta ayuu ka hadlay Walee. Faafax Dhuun iyo Buusaar baa xuduud inoo aheyd.

Al Xaqiiqa

Horta this guy is not Ugaas, who is he ? is he even Rer Hassan, second of all if he is Rer Hassan you must have given him a hot young wife imported straight from the xurul cayn gashaantis found in Dhegaxbuur for him to talk like this, flower politics is a mad one.

[Nomand]

Facebook is not a friend of somalis. It has brought every mentally ill farax into the forefront with their delusions.

[Sbashi]

Is the oday mx? That's an important question we should ask ourselves. I think the oday must be a paid sheegad. Not only is he giving mx land to others but he wants mx to fight each other. Apparently we shouldn't fight ogaden because they are darood and are our brother, but we should fight reer diini. We shouldn't spill ogaden blood, but we should bring an army to spill mx blood in gedo. He is uniting ogaden and mj and dividing mx into sub-clans. These types of paid sheegads to spout fake news must be arrested on sight.

[Tallman77]

Facebook is not a friend of somalis. It has brought every mentally ill farax into the forefront with their delusions.

Funny, if he said something agreeable you would praise him all day long as a hero

the hypocrisy smells bad

[Turbulence]

Is the oday mx? That's an important question we should ask ourselves. I think the oday must be a paid sheegad. Not only is he giving mx land to others but he wants mx to fight each other. Apparently we shouldn't fight ogaden because they are darood and are our brother, but we should fight reer diini. We shouldn't spill ogaden blood, but we should bring an army to spill mx blood in gedo. He is uniting ogaden and mj and dividing mx into sub-clans. These types of paid sheegads to spout fake news must be arrested on sight.

lol The way he says the name of beesha should give you a hint. "Mariixaan"

[Nomand]

Facebook is not a friend of somalis. It has brought every mentally ill farax into the forefront with their delusions.

Funny, if he said something agreeable you would praise him all day long as a hero

the hypocrisy smells bad

agreeable to who? MX or ogadeen? Because everything he said was pro kab iyo lax and anti MX while he was claiming to be MX.

[NGM]

Is the oday mx? That's an important question we should ask ourselves. I think the oday must be a paid sheegad. Not only is he giving mx land to others but he wants mx to fight each other. Apparently we shouldn't fight ogaden because they are darood and are our brother, but we should fight reer diini. We shouldn't spill ogaden blood, but we should bring an army to spill mx blood in gedo. He is uniting ogaden and mj and dividing mx into sub-clans. These types of paid sheegads to spout fake news must be arrested on sight.

lol The way he says the name of beesha should give you a hint. "Mariixaan"

He is consistent at least, here he is couple months back, if he is MX he needs to apologies, he is a nobody, not recognized member of dhaqanka nor recognized by the FGS, maybe Madoobe recognizes this guy.

[guhad122]

Look Voltage, you and I had a long discussion on this issue. Not only were Mareexaans never occupied Sarinley in that period, but as late as the 1980s, Sarinley and Faafaxdhuun were Cawlyahan territories. One of the reasons SPM was formed was because of the Siyad Barre's policies of driving Cawlyahan out of that area. Just because Marexan attacked Sarinley doesn't necessarily mean that they settled there at the time.
Here is the map from that long research article by Simpson; see how Baardheere was still under Cawlyahan. The Cawlyahan uprising didn't stop until 1920, and Sarinley is where Abdirahman Mursal killed commissioner Elliot:
1.

British Perspectives on Aulihan Somali
Unrest in the East Africa Protectorate ,
1915-1918 (One of the most referenced Jubaland Research Articles)
George L. Simpson Jr.
High Point University
"Number 2 column proceeded down the Juba River as far as Malkaadi, halting on the 22nd to await the arrival of the inland party. Later news reached the camp that No 1 column had captured a large quantity of enemy camels, but was being attacked by Auhilan in force. The Marehan Levies had bolted, but the KAR troops were holding firm. Immediately, Captain Martin despatched 30 Somali Riflemen under Colour Sergeant Mohamed Amiashi and a further 150 Marehan Levies to Hafalani, six hours march away. The inland column (Colour Sergeant Fareh Rageh) having driven off the tribesmen succeeded in reaching Hafalani the following morning. Shortly afterwards some 2000 camels were captured as they came to water. Colour Sergeant Farah Rageh decided to drive them on to Serenli, but was waylaid by a strong force (estimated at several hundred) of Aulihan. A running fight lasting several hours ensued. Once again the Marehan Levies proved to be absolutely useless and bolted. Heavily outnumbered (Colour Sergeant Mohamed Ainashi's force had not yet caught up), the small KAR force adopted the tactic of laying prone on the sand & volley firing as the tribesmen approached. Over fifty of the Aulihan were killed and many wounded. Again marehan the levies did not perform at all well, and almost without exception ran away. They lost 17 killed and many wounded. In many cases they had been stabbed in the back as they fled. It was of course quite impossible to keep hold of 2000 camels in those circumstances and only 160 actually reached Serenli. No 1 column after handing over the camels re-joined No2 column at Malkaadi"

2. The authors detail how a "thinly-veiled" Siyad Barre wanted to make Baardhere, Sarinley and Faafaxdhuun Marehean land in this recent report.

"A further source of dispute was the proposed construction of the Bardheere dam, which was intended to bring large areas of land under irrigation. At that time Bardheere was divided between the Awlihan on the west bank and the Rahanweyne on the east bank. (Gabiyo's subclan, Rer Ali/Awlihan, is from Bardheere.) The dam was never built, because of the war. The project would have reduced the available grazing lands and thus increased land values and competition between the Ogadenis and Marehan. The regional Governor at that time, Abdillahi Wagat (a Marehan recently appointed again as 'governor' in Kismayo by General Morgan), tried to mediate between the Ogaden and Marehan, but with no success. The sacking of Gabiyo, therefore, only accelerated a conflict over resources that was already spreading."
http://www.nzdl.org/cgi-bin/library?e=d ... 2.6.1&gt=1


3. This is a map from 1955 by I. M Lewis, and again see where Baardheere is:

Here is E. R. Turton detailing how the Mareexaan were the last to arrive at Jubaland occupying the area around Garbahery.


4. The other reliable explorer that wrote about Jubaland is the man who often references Dundas, and his name is Dracopoli. The interesting thing about his writing is that he created a map based on Dundas's exploration of Jubbaland, and he omitted Marehan in the map. The reason is they were not there. He references them as a recent arrival, but they are nowhere to be found. How can you claim that you took Faafax-Dhuun in 1917 when you were nowhere to be found

[Turbulence]

Is the oday mx? That's an important question we should ask ourselves. I think the oday must be a paid sheegad. Not only is he giving mx land to others but he wants mx to fight each other. Apparently we shouldn't fight ogaden because they are darood and are our brother, but we should fight reer diini. We shouldn't spill ogaden blood, but we should bring an army to spill mx blood in gedo. He is uniting ogaden and mj and dividing mx into sub-clans. These types of paid sheegads to spout fake news must be arrested on sight.

lol The way he says the name of beesha should give you a hint. "Mariixaan"

He is consistent at least, here he is couple months back, if he is MX he needs to apologies, he is a nobody, not recognized member of dhaqanka nor recognized by the FGS, maybe Madoobe recognizes this guy.

He is not Mareexaan bro. Lahjad cidkale ayuu ku hadlaya ninkaa. Reer Guri reer Gedo have a similar accent (adopted Degodiye accent) to this but still very different.