do mooges still believe the existence of a ruling N&N?

[sahal80]

They use loose slogans like this as if they are cave dwellers who have no knowledge of what is happening in the country

Do you consider the caretaker PM Rooble N&N?
Similar to my talking points where is N&N? this is why i told Sultan Order damn posting july Links? typical ahlu kahaf





Re: MM are now empowering FIET
PostSun Aug 15, 2021 11:51 am

Kees
i will explain to you hope you understand it well. I always talk about the presence of two parallel parties in the FGS(the new pro Rooble vs the old Pro Mooge) and this is one(Dhageey vs Cirro)
In any case, the role of the Federal Committee(FIET) has been completely removed and replaced by a committee affiliated with the Prime Minister’s Office(Omar dhageey in the second link)

There are HG members in the pm's Gudi(Dhageey) working with QoorQoor who wants to control the electoral process in Galmudug so there is some doubt that Rooble was colluding with QoorQoor to support one of the candidates such as Guuled. On the other hand, there is Deni who wants to write the MPs with his own hand to vote for him so all the presidents of the FMS agree to plunder kuraasta for themselvies and give them to whomever they want. Of course, the first victim is those who do not enjoy the support of the FMS like The Abgaal candidates and Kheyre and some of them are reassured like Guuled. The SIET and the Rooble Office wrote the new Habraac and this is not part of the May 27 agreement which is accepted by all parties but the agreement called for making Habraac and this was accomplished between Roobles office and the SIET and handed it over to the FIET wich expressed its dissatisfaction with reducing its role in thiz habraac and changing all the articles/qodobada of September 17 which were strengthening its role. Now there are political changes. First, the looting of Mooge was stopped and this FIET wanted to facilitate for him the looting(boobka). Now, Cirro has been re-produced and is nearly neutral that why most of MM and Deni preferred him over Shuluq who is loyal to Guuled and was backed by Rooble. Now the interests of Mooge and the MM are closer to each other so Cirro agreed with them to write a new independent Habraac. Deni is now facing opposition from MM because he would run for president instead of supporting their candidacy. Now the process will be fairer.

this is old link explains to you. laakin Rooble waaka gambistey he supported this habraac implicitly and now MM are going to pressure him. in short nooca habraaca laguma heshiinin ee in la diyaariyo baa lagu heshiiyay inkstoo september 17 pro FIET qodobo ku jiray laga saarey

Rooble office, SIET vs FIET
https://www.somalinet.com/forums/viewto ... 0&t=403921

[Kees70]

Sahal this is the age of Federalism, alhamdulilahi the role of the useless corrupt clan elder will be gone forever, now it will the states who will bring and choose their MPs and Senators and inshaAllahi presidential candidates.

[XimanJaale]

Kees,

Federalism is not something new in Somalia. It has been since 2004. I don't know if your memory is short.. But your Habar Gidir clan was the most disunited and disfunctional clan when it comes to Federalism. You had Ximan and Xeeb, you had the Sacad Galmudug in Baraxley you had the Ceyr under Ahlu sunna. But when Farmaajo sorted out Galmudug all of a sudden you are beating your chest on Federalism. It just baffles me.

As a Mareexaan I don't care if Somalia is a Federal government or not. Either way we are the only clan that can lead the central government in the most functional way. 2 Presidents and countless PM that's why you are desperate for a balkanised Somalia cause you know your clan can never lead the central government. Only weak and pathetic clans are scared of a centralise government.

You think Federalism will give your clan some power, but in reality that is not the case. Balkanisation will only make Somalia a weak and subjugated country.

The only federalism I support is the one without any foreign interference. Where every region can build up their regions with the support of the central government.

It's a reality, weak clans support Balkanisation. I want a strong Somalia with a strong central government that can protect the country from foreign interference whether its a federal or unitary I don't care. Besides the federal system needs to be corrected definetely. With a defined law and legislation.

[sahal80]

Kees, To be honest im with a fairer process and don't believe in zero sum game. in the clan system each qabiil will be free corrupt or not corrupt the Ugaas/Duub will pick their ergo to elect their mps. Deni who is candidate will pick the Ergo to put through the mps he wants with their malxiisis this is what they call conflict of interest. worst corruption ever.

im against the boob from all sides but since there are some remnants of Mooge boob like in KG im ok with PL and JL and Galmudug doing their boob. My clan interests are in the clan system but i always look the big picture= Mooge and not Guudlaawe.

i can understand its your intressts to use Galmudug for your HG candidate.

"pro N&N" Waayoarag senators welcomed Madoobe.

[Kees70]

Ximan

i truly have no idea what crack you are been smoking to honestly believe that Farmaajo did anything positive for Galmudug, farmaajo has been fighting HG/GM for almost all of his term and this is a known fact by all.

As for Galmudug's history it was started in 2006 by an Honorable man named Kimiko AUN who became its first President;



Watch PresQoorQoor put Respect on Pres.Kimiko Name AUN who created the 15 Year old Galmudug State!


As for why i support Federalism, its to stop stateless clans from ever being empowered like farmaajo and kheire were.

Somalia from now on should be governed by those who own states, even now there are suggestions that 4.5 will be discarded when naming MPs that States will bring in any clans of their choosing to represent their STATE in the National Parliament.

In short Federalism means the end of Stateless looma oyaan langaab system 4.5!

[Kees70]

Kees, To be honest im with a fairer process and don't believe in zero sum game. in the clan system each qabiil will be free corrupt or not corrupt the Ugaas/Duub will pick their ergo to elect their mps. Deni who is candidate will pick the Ergo to put through the mps he wants with their malxiisis this is what they call conflict of interest. worst corruption ever.

im against the boob from all sides but since there are some remnants of Mooge boob like in KG im ok with PL and JL and Galmudug doing their boob. My clan interests are in the clan system but i always look the big picture= Mooge and not Guudlaawe.

i can understand its your intressts to use Galmudug for your HG candidate.

"pro N&N" Waayoarag senators welcomed Madoobe.

Sahal Masha'Allahi libaaxyada Beesha Xawaadle will eat good in the Federal era of Somalia,

its those looma oyaans not having Federal Maamul that will be hurt first and Hard kkkkkk, right now HGs are courting Ahmed Madobe support for our next new SFG government, and Ahmed Madobe will support the devil itself in-order to hurt back hard on reer Gedo for the pain farmaajo inflicted on him for the past 4 years.

Masha'Allahi Era of Federalism is indeed an blessing for Landeerayasha Somalida

[XimanJaale]

Kees,

It don't matter who started Galmudug or not. Did you guys successfully create any federal state that unites Habar Gidir let alone other clans that reside there? The answer is no. When Farmaajo came into power is the only time when Galmudug started to get some sort of functioning state. Even Xassan Sheikh the Hawiye president couldn't fix Galmudug. I don't know where you got the idea from Farmaajo being against Galmudug when he was the one that created peace between the clans there during his long visits. He was the one that got rid off Ahlu Sunna and brought peace between the different factions there. I remember the day when Qoorqoor was called Farmaajos lapdog when he send him there to run for the leadership and got rid off the old man Xaaf.

Secondly, if you are laandheere why don't you rule the central government? I mean every body is desperate to become the president of Somalia. Because they know that who ever is the president of Somalia is the ruler of the country. Without central government these federal states will be nothing. The only reason why Puntland and Somaliland have some kind of leverage is because they were the first state that existed and got groomed by foreign countries. And these same states want to so the same thing. Don't come me with these fake bravado. Your clan is nothing but a lamagoodle just like the other Somali clans.

If you want a clan debate with me then I can do the same and chew you up and spit you out. I am not debating about my clan is better than yours right now. I am talking on a national level that is good for the country. But if you want a clan debate... Tell me and I will come to your level. Not only that but I will beat you and make you never wanna claim Habar Gidir anymore.

[SultanOrder]

Kees-

Remember why I called you Swift Boat? Yes, it is this exact reason.

Somalia is in 30 years of civil war, because of what Sahal's maturity finally allowed him to see after Deni's "zero-sum" backstabbing of his MM friends. You can get away with Zero-Sum for a moment; but Somalis readjust as a response and that never happens that way again...even if, they have to fight. Gedo Region is bigger than some federal states and Marehan has larger urban centers than any other sub-clan in Somalia combined. Caabudwaaq, Beled-Xaawo, Baardheere, Dollow, Luuq, etc. Google Maps is right at your finger tips; even in Galmudug Cadaado + Dhusamareb are still not the size of Caabudwaaq and Balanbale is 2X bigger than Hobyo, the only urban settlement you form an outright majority.

The point is if Marehan is not satisfied with Federalism as unchanged from the Garowe Principles, it is because Marehan is penalized for historically being a powerful clan who can migrate and conquer. You have to understand the "entire" perspective behind Federalism under the Garowe Principles was because the Majeerteen clan, unlike the Marehan clan, represented the completely displaced "Darod" from the former zone of 1960-1991 Somalia centralism.

They were completely uprooted from the south, including the previous emotional connection to Kismaayo. Federalism under the Garowe Principles was responding to their "specific" vulnerability and fragility. Marehan had a different dispensation. Marehan is the Darod power in the south. Marehan does not share the vulnerability and fear of isolation and being cut off and invisible like Majerten. Marehan wants autonomy . It is ironic that everyone who is non-Marehan thinks Marehan is a centralism clan. Marehan's "centralism" concept is really about "autonomy" even if they have to rule YOU.

Have you ever seen me talk about the federalism vs centralism issues before? No right? That is because of the same reason you have never seen Voltage talk about it either. One of the most brilliant Somali legal minds is a relative of ours. He was involved in the drafting of the Provisional Constitution. Do you know what he said to both of us 8 years ago?

1. Federalism will ultimately come down to "District" level. 1 or more "districts" will be the compromise before the "Permanent" constitution is ratified.
2. It will come down to that because of Marehan forming the midway point between Federalism in the Provisional Constitution and the majority of Somalis who are not represented by the wishes of the remote periphery.
3. The legal precedent for that final settlement is the region of Mudug. Southern Mudug will never become part of Puntland and Northern Mudug will never become part of Galmudug.

The remote periphery pushed the Federalism under the Garowe Principles as a response to their own vulnerability but in the end they are the reason that will ultimately turn Federalism into what all of Somalia's political conflict has been heading towards since 1960 which is something that resembles "clan" autonomy at the lowest administrative unit; the district.

Lately you are everywhere misusing federalism when the reality is Galmudug is the most unnaturally cobbled together Federal state completely temporarily due to Farmajo. Farmajo fought and disarmes Ahlu Sunnah. He ensured Marehan's forceful participation, and he handpicked the political leadership starting with the President and Vice President. On top of that, Ceel-Buur and Ceel-Dheer have always been under Shabab control and has never heard of this "State." Lastly, Galmudug is the only Federal State without comprising "2 or more Regions," meaning it has no border to speak of and no legal basis for even existing besides the need for more signatures than Mahiga and Faroole to make the Garowe Principles look representative. It is the same stunts under review across the world because of the failure of Afghanistan's state building.

I mean you have probably never even realized it is simply not just the issue of a " divided Mudug." Puntland is more than "2 or more Regions." Galmudug is not; it is the only recognized "Federal State" in breach of the Constitutional hard rule. And it fortunately serves a very beautiful purpose for us. That purpose will be revisited soon when all Somalis represented under our Parliament receive the agenda for finally drafting the Permenant Constitution.

Somalia will not be going back to centralism; it is a Federalist State. But the Federalism on paper is going to reflect the real autonomous Federalism in reality. Hobyo District is all yours---to share with Sheekhaal and Dir; but you have nothing to do with Caabudwaaq, Balanbale, Ceel-Buur, and Ceel-Dheer.

Most likely after Farmajo leaves, we will see if you have anything to do with Cadaado or Dhusamareb districts either or whether they have anything to do with each other going by history until Farmajo instituted Martial Law in Dhusamareb.

It ia ironic that you have the nerves to talk about Farmajo. No single clan, including Marehan, is more indebted to Farmajo than you.

[Rebelxx22]

Bald bastard deleted 2 of my posts exposing your terrorist clan

[Kees70]

Ximan and SultanOrder,

Like I said brothers, I have nothing against our Marexaan brothers, but y'all have to acknowledge amongst yourselves that Farmaajo wasted 4 years doing Allah knows what when he could have fixed Jubaland into an equitable state or at the very least an State for Beesha Marexaan.

If I was Farmaajo I would have negotiated with Beesha Ogaden and if unsuccessful I would have added Gedo into KG and power grabbed those masaakiin Eelayda.

I already acknowledged that some Qabiils like Marexaan and dhulbahante, HY, and Xawadle should have their own States at any cost if Somalia is to go forward in terms of political stability.

Farmaajo like the politicians before him neglected his own clansmen and that is the talking points here.

[XimanJaale]

Kees,

Madoobe ruling Kismaayo under the rule of Kenya means we need to negotiate with Ogaden? The only people we will negotiate with is Kenya. And our only needs is that they leave Somalia. Then we shall see who controls Kismaayo.

In reality, Mareexaan control the majority of Jubbaland. We are fine and our territories in Jubbaland is fine. We got out deegaan dooraasho in Garbaharey. I don't see anything that Mareexaan are missing out on.

We have all our clan districts under control from Gedo to Galgaduud. We have control of leadership of the federal government. The only thing missing is Middle Jubba which is under Al Shabaab and Lower Jubba under the control of Al Shabaab and Kenya. We will sort that out soon don't worry.

Alhamdulilah we are fine. We don't need Farmaajo, he is the president of Somalia not the president of Mareexaan. We like his leadership cause he is fair to all Somalis. We wish him the best. We expect him to treat us the same as all other Somalis. Fair allocation of development and representations that's all.

End of story

[Rebelxx22]

Gedo is an Ethiopian colony while garbahareey is a small village of Reer siyaad with a population of 500. Kenya kulaha your not worth Kenya level Boon kid. Iska Fadhiiso