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The next president must avoid the mistakes of Farmaajo

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1-pay attention first and foremost about the security issue such as the liberation of the Banaadir countryside and the two shabelle, support the pro-government clan militias not get rid of them as Farmaajo did thinking they will be danger on him!
support the creation of the regional Dervish Forces that r independent from the federal government, a program that Farmaajo was against it in Hirshabelle and Galmudug to be like Puntland.
2-give the second importance to the general elections and never entertain about the illegal extension like Farmaajo did

3-he must be loyal to his allies at the beginning of his Govt. Farmaajo got rid of all his allies one by one and came up with new unknown faces.
4-Not antagonizing beesha dhexe clans in each region, on the contrary, he should exploit their influence in security and supporting the government. Farmaajo has antagonized even those who were not after his kursi and did not differentiate between him and the opposition
4-Work with all neighboring countries so that the opposition does not benefit from any clash with them but do not fall into national treason. Farmaajo had conflict with Kenya and another unnecessary conflict with Djibouti who is a troop contributing country for siding with Eritrea. Most votes that gone for adan Madoobe came from Dir and waqooyi bc of Djibouti.

what shows Farmaajo has zero influence in Waqooyi Mps is that their Aqalka sare candidates were free from him it was based on habro interests. Farmaajo did not back Saalax Jaamac either bc of Mahdi Guuleed who does not want his habar to lead aqalka sare so him and the opposition were backing Abdi Hashi

i saw salah Jamac accusing Farmaajo for making qaalaaso yesterday.

in retaliation Salah Jamac mps voted for Adan Madoobe along Abdi hashi mps! laftagaren candidate only had 15 to 20 votes from outside of KG aka kutlada NISA including reer caabudwaaq
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who is going to finance the clan militias? if the FMS could they already would. So if the SFG is going to finance the clan militia they will be loyal to the SFG no different then how haramcad is loyal to farmaajo.

and your point on being good neighbourly with kenya/djibouti. they want a weak president someone they can control someone who would do national treason like sign the sea to kenya.

Kenya will fight against any leader that does not 100 percent submit to them and they will use ahmed madoobe.

and finally there won't be a 1p1v elections. none of the FMS gain anything from it so they will oppose it.
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Nomand wrote: Thu Apr 28, 2022 5:30 am who is going to finance the clan militias? if the FMS could they already would. So if the SFG is going to finance the clan militia they will be loyal to the SFG no different then how haramcad is loyal to farmaajo.

and your point on being good neighbourly with kenya/djibouti. they want a weak president someone they can control someone who would do national treason like sign the sea to kenya.

Kenya will fight against any leader that does not 100 percent submit to them and they will use ahmed madoobe.

and finally there won't be a 1p1v elections. none of the FMS gain anything from it so they will oppose it.
same donors who pay for Puntland Dervish Force and PSF.

Waare lay the cornerstone for Hirshabelle Dervish Force base in Baladweyne but Hassan Kheyre and Farmaajo fought it. Ahmed Fiqi introduced it in Galmudug but they r still against it. donors support this idea bc of the local ownership people will protect it.
https://kenmenkhaus.wordpress.com/2014/ ... d-somalia/


https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/brit ... -bkhx0t2h7

this our daraawiish taliye from Hiiraan but no ciidan yet.

for Kenya and Ethiopia there should be no comprise on our sea and land and people but JL project is different for me if he clashes with the administaration he will end up like Farmaajo. there is strong connection between the daaroods in Garisa, Jigjiga, Kismaayo and Garowe and that is how they want it.
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Basically the next Government should be neutral and not be qabiliste, and let major clans work in the interests of their states, if not than that new government will be fought like farmaajo was fought.

The number 1 test the new government will face in first 100 days, will be how he will treat certain qabiils in the Capital, if he antagonizes them like farmaajo did than expect the root of oppositions to grow from that day, every other clans outside the Capital are secondary since they dont live in the Capital near the government.

Dilka Siraaj was the turning point where the opposition brewed from.



And also if the Government has the Backing of the Clans that live in the Capital, than he doesnt have to worry about facing Kenya or Ethiopia, just as HSM who fought Kenya in his first 2 years, he only gave up because of Tigraya led Ethiopia used Gabre to pressure HSM to make peace with Madobe's maamul.
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Kees70 wrote: Thu Apr 28, 2022 6:18 am Basically the next Government should be neutral and not be qabiliste, and let major clans work in the interests of their states, if not than that new government will be fought like farmaajo was fought.

The number 1 test the new government will face in first 100 days, will be how he will treat certain qabiils in the Capital, if he antagonizes them like farmaajo did than expect the root of oppositions to grow from that day, every other clans outside the Capital are secondary since they dont live in the Capital near the government.

Dilka Siraaj was the turning point where the opposition brewed from.
exactly. all clans matter even outside Xamar for political support and the elections. example my 10 mp mucaarad when all pro Farmaajo lost. Baladweyne was more free thn the rest the only place with third round and next people will vote directly they wont be picked. no odayaal, no Madaxweyne maamulgobleed waxaana isla qabanaya federal and State, mucaarad iyo maxaafad iyo muraaqibiin caalami ah but for stability Xamar clans matter more.
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sahal80 wrote: Thu Apr 28, 2022 6:20 am
Kees70 wrote: Thu Apr 28, 2022 6:18 am Basically the next Government should be neutral and not be qabiliste, and let major clans work in the interests of their states, if not than that new government will be fought like farmaajo was fought.

The number 1 test the new government will face in first 100 days, will be how he will treat certain qabiils in the Capital, if he antagonizes them like farmaajo did than expect the root of oppositions to grow from that day, every other clans outside the Capital are secondary since they dont live in the Capital near the government.

Dilka Siraaj was the turning point where the opposition brewed from.
exactly.


Ustaadow aniga waxaan jeclahay inaan marwalbo runta ku hadlo and not sound qabiliste, farmaajo lost the day he antagonized HGs, even Caamcaam the mx CBB said that how can Farmaajo elect an PM Rooble from the same people he was fighting against for 3.5 years???

Farmaajo should have been like HSM and Sheikh Shariif and gave everything to the Clans that live in the Capital, there is a reason why HSM and Shariif government were stable and successful compared to farmaajo's 5 years unstable government where there was hostilities in the Capital.

People say that Shariif liberated Mogadishu from Al-shabaab, which is true but all his Military Officers were HGs, the NISA Head was HG, the NISA of Mogadishu was HG, the SNA Chief was HG, the Police chief was HG, practically 70% of the Military was HGs, and this how Shariif was successful against Al-shabaab, he gave the Abgaals all the NGO/Money generating Posts and HGs the Military posts.

And so did HSM do the same, but when Farmaajo came, he starting focking about with HGs, and next thing you know HGs killed his Minister, and they created the Council of President by bringing back HSM from Turkey and Shariif from Uganda, and than they named Shariif the head of MM council and than the war against Farmaajo and kheyre started.

Yacni, dont fock with HGs if you want to have an stable government.

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Kess70,

Basically you’re saying to let you guys loot and do anything without law and order. Is there reason y’all were the biggest Mucaarad but won’t be pm or president and the day the capital is moved is the day y’all become irrelevant. I’m glad farmaajo fought Moryaans.
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Isseayaanle wrote: Thu Apr 28, 2022 6:43 am Kess70,

Basically you’re saying to let you guys loot and do anything without law and order. Is there reason y’all were the biggest Mucaarad but won’t be pm or president and the day the capital is moved is the day y’all become irrelevant. I’m glad farmaajo fought Moryaans.

Yeah pretty much, and also i really doubt changing capital will change your fortunes, because today we are very close to Garowe 150Km from our closest Deegan Jeexdin in North Mudug and can easily spread there and even Kismaayo we are close in Baraawe, so where will you move it to, to the moon perhaps????

Where-ever you move the Capital, we shall move along with it, currently we are in deep inside DDSI Ethiopia spreading, and in Somaliland our Ceyr/Fiqishini are emerging as big players, and all the way in KG State we are the special forces that protect Laftagareen from Alshabaab in Baidoba and all over the state.

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:ufdup: What im saying, is stop antagonizing your fighters if you want stability in the country, even alshabaab understood this.
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The next government should financially support Jubaland state, and it’s armed forces since they have their own branch of Darawiish and Intelligence unit. Jubaland doesn’t mind the federal government nor the other states such as Hirshabelle or Galmudug being at peace as long as the next government doesn’t try to pull a Farmaajo stunt and invade each state to use as a gareen. Another key factor is the liberation of Gedo region from clan militas, lastly is the major operation against Al-Shabab in middle Juba. Somalia can only defeat Al-Shabab in the south when the federal government gives support the local regional government (Jubaland) in order to liberate one of the key regions held in the country by a terrorist group. All those Gorgor armored trucks and Turkish weapons rusting in gedo region could’ve been used to liberate Bu’aale & Jilib! Wa billahi alaykh!
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Rebelxx222 wrote: Thu Apr 28, 2022 7:25 am The next government should financially support Jubaland state, and it’s armed forces since they have their own branch of Darawiish and Intelligence unit. Jubaland doesn’t mind the federal government nor the other states such as Hirshabelle or Galmudug being at peace as long as the next government doesn’t try to pull a Farmaajo stunt and invade each state to use as a gareen. Another key factor is the liberation of Gedo region from clan militas, lastly is the major operation against Al-Shabab in middle Juba. Somalia can only defeat Al-Shabab in the south when the federal government gives support the local regional government (Jubaland) in order to liberate one of the key regions held in the country by a terrorist group. All those Gorgor armored trucks and Turkish weapons rusting in gedo region could’ve been used to liberate Bu’aale & Jilib! Wa billahi alaykh!

Mark my words sxb the Next Government will either crush Jubaland and centralize it, or Somalia will become under Al-shabaab, just because Hawiye fought farmaajo for the government doesnt mean we allowed Kenya to keep Jubaland as their satellite state, Jubaland will become under Mogadishu and North Mudug will be attained, Period!

We were all an temporary ally against farmaajo, the game for supremacy of Somalia will continue.
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Kees70 wrote: Thu Apr 28, 2022 7:31 am
Rebelxx222 wrote: Thu Apr 28, 2022 7:25 am The next government should financially support Jubaland state, and it’s armed forces since they have their own branch of Darawiish and Intelligence unit. Jubaland doesn’t mind the federal government nor the other states such as Hirshabelle or Galmudug being at peace as long as the next government doesn’t try to pull a Farmaajo stunt and invade each state to use as a gareen. Another key factor is the liberation of Gedo region from clan militas, lastly is the major operation against Al-Shabab in middle Juba. Somalia can only defeat Al-Shabab in the south when the federal government gives support the local regional government (Jubaland) in order to liberate one of the key regions held in the country by a terrorist group. All those Gorgor armored trucks and Turkish weapons rusting in gedo region could’ve been used to liberate Bu’aale & Jilib! Wa billahi alaykh!

Mark my words sxb the Next Government will either crush Jubaland and centralize it, or Somalia will become under Al-shabaab, just because Hawiye fought farmaajo for the government doesnt mean we allowed Kenya to keep Jubaland as their satellite state, Jubaland will become under Mogadishu and North Mudug will be attained, Period!

We were all an temporary ally against farmaajo, the game for supremacy of Somalia will continue.

Adeerow you must stop living in your illusions. If farmajo with a whole region dominated by his clan (Marehan) couldn’t suppress Jubaland, what do you think will happen to outsiders? Anyways all of Ogaden/Absame is United in this Jubaland case from Bu’aale & Kismayo to Wajir,Garissa & Nairobi. Caseka Jubbaland waa lama taabtaan so I will not waste my time replying to your nonsense. Do you ever see me talking about Dhusamareb or it’s affairs? No. Because I stick to my jurisdiction so I plead you stick to yours.

By the way don’t try to use the Hawiye card on me because that didn’t work in the upper house election. A Hawadle native from Beledweyne Cali Shacban won over Hiiraab. You are neither the spokesman for Hawiye nor the sole opposition to Farmaajo.

Stay humble before you are humbled.

Salaamat!
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The incoming HAG administration should be mindful the potential its kinsmen pose to return the nation to 90's type bloody communal strife.

There are already report circulating in Skinny media outlets that certain extremist HAG elements are planning to unleash brutal violent campaign intended to exact vengeance upon farmaajo clansmen, namely, Faqash, for alleged atrocities committed by the former president upon Hawiye masses.
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Rebelxx222 wrote: Thu Apr 28, 2022 7:47 am
Kees70 wrote: Thu Apr 28, 2022 7:31 am
Rebelxx222 wrote: Thu Apr 28, 2022 7:25 am The next government should financially support Jubaland state, and it’s armed forces since they have their own branch of Darawiish and Intelligence unit. Jubaland doesn’t mind the federal government nor the other states such as Hirshabelle or Galmudug being at peace as long as the next government doesn’t try to pull a Farmaajo stunt and invade each state to use as a gareen. Another key factor is the liberation of Gedo region from clan militas, lastly is the major operation against Al-Shabab in middle Juba. Somalia can only defeat Al-Shabab in the south when the federal government gives support the local regional government (Jubaland) in order to liberate one of the key regions held in the country by a terrorist group. All those Gorgor armored trucks and Turkish weapons rusting in gedo region could’ve been used to liberate Bu’aale & Jilib! Wa billahi alaykh!

Mark my words sxb the Next Government will either crush Jubaland and centralize it, or Somalia will become under Al-shabaab, just because Hawiye fought farmaajo for the government doesnt mean we allowed Kenya to keep Jubaland as their satellite state, Jubaland will become under Mogadishu and North Mudug will be attained, Period!

We were all an temporary ally against farmaajo, the game for supremacy of Somalia will continue.

Adeerow you must stop living in your illusions. If farmajo with a whole region dominated by his clan (Marehan) couldn’t suppress Jubaland, what do you think will happen to outsiders? Anyways all of Ogaden/Absame is United in this Jubaland case from Bu’aale & Kismayo to Wajir,Garissa & Nairobi. Caseka Jubbaland waa lama taabtaan so I will not waste my time replying to your nonsense. Do you ever see me talking about Dhusamareb or it’s affairs? No. Because I stick to my jurisdiction so I plead you stick to yours.

By the way don’t try to use the Hawiye card on me because that didn’t work in the upper house election. A Hawadle native from Beledweyne Cali Shacban won over Hiiraab. You are neither the spokesman for Hawiye nor the sole opposition to Farmaajo.

Stay humble before you are humbled.

Salaamat!

You can close your eyes from the truth all you want but it will still remain there regardless, and that is you are an darood and us Hawiyes that will never see eye to eye Poltically.

Beesha Hawiye will never allow an inch of our lands to be held by jareer nation Kenya, and insha'Allahi all of Somalia will come under Mogadishu eventually, whether you like or not.

By Example the candidates and their Party today alone tells us what the incoming government will be like:

- UPD (Damul-jadiid)

- Farmaajo/Kheyre N&N Camp.

- Shariif/Saacid Shirdoon affiliated with N&N and Fahad Camp.

All these 3 Parties are Anti-Kenya Buffer State Jubaland, marka sxb dagaalka for Jubaland is far from finished, our Hawiye Brothers in Jubaland will be liberated from Kenya insha'Allahi.


P,s Beesha Xawadle taking over from us HG in Senate Leadership is an welcome sight, from all the clans its our Xawadle brothers that HG see as worthy to replace us, XL and HG have long History of brotherhood and conquering all of South together including Kimsaayo, so stop hiding behind XL.
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Kees70 wrote: Thu Apr 28, 2022 8:20 am
Rebelxx222 wrote: Thu Apr 28, 2022 7:47 am
Kees70 wrote: Thu Apr 28, 2022 7:31 am


Mark my words sxb the Next Government will either crush Jubaland and centralize it, or Somalia will become under Al-shabaab, just because Hawiye fought farmaajo for the government doesnt mean we allowed Kenya to keep Jubaland as their satellite state, Jubaland will become under Mogadishu and North Mudug will be attained, Period!

We were all an temporary ally against farmaajo, the game for supremacy of Somalia will continue.

Adeerow you must stop living in your illusions. If farmajo with a whole region dominated by his clan (Marehan) couldn’t suppress Jubaland, what do you think will happen to outsiders? Anyways all of Ogaden/Absame is United in this Jubaland case from Bu’aale & Kismayo to Wajir,Garissa & Nairobi. Caseka Jubbaland waa lama taabtaan so I will not waste my time replying to your nonsense. Do you ever see me talking about Dhusamareb or it’s affairs? No. Because I stick to my jurisdiction so I plead you stick to yours.

By the way don’t try to use the Hawiye card on me because that didn’t work in the upper house election. A Hawadle native from Beledweyne Cali Shacban won over Hiiraab. You are neither the spokesman for Hawiye nor the sole opposition to Farmaajo.

Stay humble before you are humbled.

Salaamat!

You can close your eyes from the truth all you want but it will still remain there regardless, and that is you are an darood and us Hawiyes that will never see eye to eye Poltically.

Beesha Hawiye will never allow an inch of our lands to be held by jareer nation Kenya, and insha'Allahi all of Somalia will come under Mogadishu eventually, whether you like or not.

By Example the candidates and their Party today alone tells us what the incoming government will be like:

- UPD (Damul-jadiid)

- Farmaajo/Kheyre N&N Camp.

- Shariif/Saacid Shirdoon affiliated with N&N and Fahad Camp.

All these 3 Parties are Anti-Kenya Buffer State Jubaland, marka sxb dagaalka for Jubaland is far from finished, our Hawiye Brothers in Jubaland will be liberated from Kenya insha'Allahi.


P,s Beesha Xawadle taking over from us HG in Senate Leadership is an welcome sight, from all the clans its our Xawadle brothers that HG see as worthy to replace us, XL and HG have long History of brotherhood and conquering all of South together including Kimsaayo, so stop hiding behind XL.

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The next government will make the same mistakes as this one and maybe even be worse for the simple reason that there is no consequence.

A politician can destroy and when he is defeated he will say "an is cafino", and the gerljires will be happy with their win and the cycle continues.
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