Status quo remains which means SSC loses by accepting the unconditional ceasefire as SL army still occupy all of sool

[GameChanger]

You either expell them entirely to rewrite the ground reality or accept status quo but if SSC seeks to expell SL from LA they risk being expelled from Laascaanod themselves. SL has no intention of leaving Sool ever hence if they want Khaatumo it will not be realistic militarily..

with status quo things remain as before

[LaY-D_LicK]

expel them their terrorist. long live somaliland

[MrSinister]

The status quo is reer Khatumo hold Las Canood and SL has not only lost militarily but they’re reputation is destroyed.

[Gubbet]

The Siege of St Petersburg.

Thr Germans were besieging a city they imagined they would starve to surrender.

In reality, they had birthed the conclusion to WWII when they stepped foot on Russian snow.

Somaliland had lost the strategic outcome of implicating the full British Somaliland in modern Somaliland state project when the first shot of this conflict rang out.

Everything else is just a filler.

[GameChanger]

The status quo is reer Khatumo hold Las Canood and SL has not only lost militarily but they’re reputation is destroyed.

They are still inside the city the SL army and keep their bases and everything as before except the city is destroyed which means reer Lascaanod are the losers because they failed to expell the Iidoors and their homes are destroyed

[GameChanger]

The Siege of St Petersburg.

Thr Germans were besieging a city they imagined they would starve to surrender.

In reality, they had birthed the conclusion to WWII when they stepped foot on Russian snow.

Somaliland had lost the strategic outcome of implicating the full British Somaliland in modern Somaliland state project when the first shot of this conflict rang out.

Everything else is just a filler.

No they didn't and if the Garaads were serious and being honest about this revolution they shouldn't have accepted the status quo until they expell SL which they fail to do but accepted the ceasefire to stop the shellings but status quo is still there..

It is like Panjshir in Afghanistan once the Taliban government in Afghanistan laid down the pipeline there all the others would be rebels give all up and disarmed themselves because they saw what happened to the Panjshiris.

Mark my words no other revolt will come from Laascaanod or anywhere else in SL for a decade or 2 to come as this will be fresh in their minds

[LaY-D_LicK]

Somaliland will continue to product its borders and never remove their military from sool this is non negotiable.

[GameChanger]

The right way to go about it is to prolong the war and refuse ceasefire and start a prolonged war that could last years until SL is pushed back and fatigued into as far as Burco.

Honestly I find all of this too redundant.. We from the central plains really do fight each other when we fight months or years if necessary you either walk completely thru me or I walk thru you it is a fight without hypocrisy.

Example last major internal war was the Union charts and united warlords it was brutal and took months they really went at it.

If Any Hawiye element was bordering SL or if you put them in Dhulos place there would have been no ceasefire and never a 5 days conflict but atleast until years of fighting if things turned stalemate they are just too stubborn.. The word ceasefire doesn't exist in hawiye dictionary. Two sub-sub-sub-sub tribes of the same clan can sometimes kill thousands of each other if they clash.

This is not to hardcore for my taste.. In my opinion Reer Laascaanod should fight until SL retreats willingly

[OwQariib]

Block all waqooyi news. I thought koonfur was a circus but the real clowns are up north. I don't even know who controls Las Anod labada dhinac waxay leeyihiin waan guulaysanay my Irir senses tell me Isaaq baa xoogaay runta u dhow. The guy i thought was most informed (original dervish) since it's his territory wrote a laughable post about Cali Barre and Nuux Taani even i knew General Cali Barre is HJ as i have a HJ friend from the Muuse Abokor/Cali Barre subclan.

PS Don't use the SSC term. Dallad SSC la yiraahdo ay isku raaceen Harti, Isaaq iyo Fiqishini ma jirto while SL has full clans representation. The Darod you are seeing online would all support a clan cleansing campaign to create SSC but are against SL's borders. Xaa mid sax iyo qalad keenay? Faraha ka qaad, ninka roon baa reerka u hari.

[Gubbet]

Block all waqooyi news. I thought koonfur was a circus but the real clowns are up north. I don't even know who controls Las Anod labada dhinac waxay leeyihiin waan guulaysanay my Irir senses tell me Isaaq baa xoogaay runta u dhow. The guy i thought was most informed (original dervish) since it's his territory wrote a laughable post about Cali Barre and Nuux Taani even i knew General Cali Barre is HJ as i have a HJ friend from the Muuse Abokor/Cali Barre subclan.

PS Don't use the SSC term. Dallad SSC la yiraahdo ay isku raaceen Harti, Isaaq iyo Fiqishini ma jirto while SL has full clans representation. The Darod you are seeing online would all support a clan cleansing campaign to create SSC but are against SL's borders. Xaa mid sax iyo qalad keenay? Faraha ka qaad, ninka roon baa reerka u hari.

I would reference something I learned in Hargeisa as "Dagaal G......" to describe your type of despicable "crab in a bucket" surly xinaaso towards Dhulbahante lakin dadka Islaam ku magacaaban "dagaal g" ayaan dooneyn inaan eed ka gallo.

War ninkaan Murursadee sheegta Islaamoow markhaatinka ahaada. Ma minyaraad tahay lala qabo waa yaabe

[OwQariib]

Gubbet, i'm just advising my HAG brother to ease off the over analysis, he wrote a thread about partitioning Somalia two days after skirmishes. Let nature run its course. AUN to all fallen soldiers. You are welcome to discuss Laftagareen and the hunguri HSM i will check up on my northern compatriots as even HAG live there too.

I have a question for you

I heard Sool was once part of Nugaal region until Siad Barre created Sool region, do you think this was a miscalculation that reinforced British Somaliland borders? This border literally created Puntland AND Somaliland

[Gubbet]

The biggest irony about your question is it brings up one of the biggest ironies about Somali history.

Virtually everything HAG has charged against Darod is what HAG is guilty of and everything they have tried to imagine about themselves is what Darod actually represents.

"Sool" existed before Somalia was a country. It was called Las Anod district with the exact same implication.




"Gedo" existed before Siad Barre, before even Oltre Giuba. It was called Serinley District with the exact same implication.



Galgaduud was for Hawiye, not Marehan. Before Siad it was the two districts of El Bur and Dusamareb of southern Mudugh. Dusa Mareb was exactly modern Abudwaq district and east of road was El Bur. Until Siad, Marehan had 3 MPs from their exact same land west of road (last elected in 1968 were Adan Low, Ali Shire, Mahad Dirir), Hawiye 2 MPs from east of road to coast. After Siad made Galgaduud he literally just renamed the original Dusa Mareb district after its biggest settlement by then of Abudwaq and reorganized El Bur into 4 Hawiye districts of new El Bur, new Dusa mareb (already on borderline road the Dusa Mareb settlement reorganized into appropriate district of its own), El Dheer and Adado. Marehan 1 MP, Hawiye 4 MP.



The irony is you are the myth created starting post-50's.


We are even the original Somali natives of Jubbaland. HAG is not.

Siad didn't create Marehan and Dhulbahante. Caydiid created HAG revisionism--- in 1991.

[skywalker25]

The biggest irony about your question is it brings up one of the biggest ironies about Somali history.

Virtually everything HAG has charged against Darod is what HAG is guilty of and everything they have tried to imagine about themselves is what Darod actually represents.

"Sool" existed before Somalia was a country. It was called Las Anod district with the exact same implication.




"Gedo" existed before Siad Barre, before even Oltre Giuba. It was called Serinley District with the exact same implication.



Galgaduud was for Hawiye, not Marehan. Before Siad it was the two districts of El Bur and Dusamareb of southern Mudugh. Dusa Mareb was exactly modern Abudwaq district and east of road was El Bur. Until Siad, Marehan had 3 MPs from their exact same land west of road (last elected in 1968 were Adan Low, Ali Shire, Mahad Dirir), Hawiye 2 MPs from east of road to coast. After Siad made Galgaduud he literally just renamed the original Dusa Mareb district after its biggest settlement by then of Abudwaq and reorganized El Bur into 4 Hawiye districts of new El Bur, new Dusa mareb (already on borderline road the Dusa Mareb settlement reorganized into appropriate district of its own), El Dheer and Adado. Marehan 1 MP, Hawiye 4 MP.



The irony is you are the myth created starting post-50's.


We are even the original Somali natives of Jubbaland. HAG is not.

Siad didn't create Marehan and Dhulbahante. Caydiid created HAG revisionism--- in 1991.

That above map is fake. Unless they had biro pens back then. It was clearly added to Wikipedia by your folks to create a fake history. Like everything else.

Find me that map in any credible British history institute.

Barre removed Sool from togdheer to try give the likes of OD a majority region.

[Gubbet]

Sky, apparently you have not read Hunt of British Somaliland administration 1951 handbook " General Survey of the Somaliland Protectorate 1944-1950."

You can find that exact map in the free online copy on the US Library of Congress website.

One would think you would have read it as I have not come across any Somalilander with basic historical interest who hasn't never mind the almost dozens of pages of discussion on it in this forum many of them started by Xplaya.

Finally,

Discourage yourself from absolute statements like "it is fake" without due diligence to be made aware of new information

[Gubbet]

Sky, here is a full pdf by the UN agency FAO

http://www.faoswalim.org/resources/Land ... 4-1950.pdf

On page 56, please see the map and actual implication of Dhulbahante directly as a social group and the very existence of that distracts linked by Hunt in official capacity in administration print



In this verification of the information, it is not even a problem that one is new to the information per se as that is perfectly natural but it is what you said that is stunning in hindsight;

That above map is fake. Unless they had biro pens back then. It was clearly added to Wikipedia by your folks to create a fake history. Like everything else.

...

Barre removed Sool from togdheer to try give the likes of OD a majority region

Anger. Entitlement. Resentment. Oppressive. Unjustified.

5 simple words that represent everything that caused me to label it "stunning."