The emergence of Jeberti irregularity and the Gaal Madow wars

[Ghiklo]

Only one group of Darod(The Majertein) had an extensive interaction with Hawiye and that interaction was one sided. The Mijertain were the Bosses and Hawiye, peasants.
The Ogaden had no relations with Hawiye. Almost, zero interaction and only, knowledge of their existence.
My ancestors knew Hawiye, existed and have occassionally married from them, like they occassionally married from the Gallas (Hence the many, Bah-Gaalaad families) but that was just it. We have had no relationship with Hawiye.

He has got an agenda and doesn't debate in good faith. This is like me calling the Babile Hawiye Oromo because they are now part of the Afran Qallo.

GameChanger,

Read this and call your cousins Oromo:
https://www.ijsrp.org/research-paper-03 ... -p9998.pdf


Note: Balwarama look at this hypocrite.

As I said previously Hawiye has traceibility what is Jeberti? Hawiye has tracebility but not Jeberti? It is Samaale but Jeberti is an irregular occurance via Galla Madows

You are either stupid or you cannot read. The Futuh refers to the leader of Geri as Al-Somali prior to the Gaal Madow wars of the 17th century.

You have been given evidence but you are choosing not to accept it.

[GameChanger]

Cagdheer is obsessed with superiority because they have always been under the boots of some other peaple, and they are still not independent even inside the lawless Somalia they are protected by kenya. ninkii timirta kariyey ba haduu muqdishaawi xadaarad u sheeganayo waa mid subxaanalah. Kkkkkk

They are fiercely denying their Kombe Kablalah genelogy lineage as expected

Note: Balwarama look at this hypocrite.

As I said previously Hawiye has traceibility what is Jeberti? Hawiye has tracebility but not Jeberti? It is Samaale but Jeberti is an irregular occurance via Galla Madows

You are either stupid or you cannot read. The Futuh refers to the leader of Geri as Al-Somali prior to the Gaal Madow wars of the 17th century.

You have been given evidence but you are choosing not to accept it.

except the Gaal Madow wars didn't happen in 17th century but rather before Futuh Al-Habasha and many Kablalah took part because they were recent converts.

After the Gaal Madow wars ended they wanted to muslimize the Highlands but it was being conducted by these dir in the North along with recent convert Kablalah.

This is where they have entered the history books and there was a traceibility on them from there on

[balwarama]

Cagdheer is obsessed with superiority because they have always been under the boots of some other peaple, and they are still not independent even inside the lawless Somalia they are protected by kenya. ninkii timirta kariyey ba haduu muqdishaawi xadaarad u sheeganayo waa mid subxaanalah. Kkkkkk

The story of the Timir is not literal but metaphorical and was an attempt to chase away, a certain, Kabadhe-Edoor who was trying to sell something to the Ogaden.
The Kabadhe-Edoors were not highly regarded people as work and selling things for profit were looked at, unfavorably by Ogadens of yesteryear.

We used to tend to our own Camels, give Ziyara to the Wadaads and raid the Edoors for more Camels, once there was a need.

[Ghiklo]

Cagdheer is obsessed with superiority because they have always been under the boots of some other peaple, and they are still not independent even inside the lawless Somalia they are protected by kenya. ninkii timirta kariyey ba haduu muqdishaawi xadaarad u sheeganayo waa mid subxaanalah. Kkkkkk

They are fiercely denying their Kombe Kablalah genelogy lineage as expected

As I said previously Hawiye has traceibility what is Jeberti? Hawiye has tracebility but not Jeberti? It is Samaale but Jeberti is an irregular occurance via Galla Madows

You are either stupid or you cannot read. The Futuh refers to the leader of Geri as Al-Somali prior to the Gaal Madow wars of the 17th century.

You have been given evidence but you are choosing not to accept it.

except the Gaal Madow wars didn't happen in 17th century but rather before Futuh Al-Habasha and many Kablalah took part because they were recent converts.

After the Gaal Madow wars ended they wanted to muslimize the Highlands but it was being conducted by these dir in the North along with recent convert Kablalah.

This is where they have entered the history books and there was a traceibility on them from there on

The Imam's war on Ethiopia included Muslim Ethiopians at the time like the Afar in Adal. There was no need to assimilate into Somali society in order to become a Muslim. You have never read the Futuh and it shows.

The real Gaal Madow wars happened in the 17th century with the Bardheere Xeers and the Gasargude Sultanate unsuccessfully waging war on Gaal Madow. Only after a smallpox epidemic among the Oromos and the arrival of Daarood nomads with firearms did the tide turn against the Oromos.

[GameChanger]

Cagdheer is obsessed with superiority because they have always been under the boots of some other peaple, and they are still not independent even inside the lawless Somalia they are protected by kenya. ninkii timirta kariyey ba haduu muqdishaawi xadaarad u sheeganayo waa mid subxaanalah. Kkkkkk

They are fiercely denying their Kombe Kablalah genelogy lineage as expected

You are either stupid or you cannot read. The Futuh refers to the leader of Geri as Al-Somali prior to the Gaal Madow wars of the 17th century.

You have been given evidence but you are choosing not to accept it.

except the Gaal Madow wars didn't happen in 17th century but rather before Futuh Al-Habasha and many Kablalah took part because they were recent converts.

After the Gaal Madow wars ended they wanted to muslimize the Highlands but it was being conducted by these dir in the North along with recent convert Kablalah.

This is where they have entered the history books and there was a traceibility on them from there on

The Imam's war on Ethiopia included Muslim Ethiopians at the time like the Afar in Adal. There was no need to assimilate into Somali society in order to become a Muslim. You have never read the Futuh and it shows.

The real Gaal Madow wars happened in the 17th century with the Bardheere Xeers and the Gasargude Sultanate unsuccessfully waging war on Gaal Madow. Only after a smallpox epidemic among the Oromos and the arrival of Daarood nomads with firearms did the tide turn against the Oromos.

This is massive revisionism. Galla madow wars happened in the 15-century and predates the Futuh Al-Habasha that happened in the 16th century and It was between Galla and Ajuran sultanate.

During the battle of Barawe which took place in 1507 AD the portuguese attacked Barawe during that period the Gaal Madow wars was still raging on the western frontier so technically they were fighitng on 2 fronts on the same time. It clearly mentions that the Gaal Madow wars was still going on at that time.

They were Ottoman allies and had the best weapons of the age available and including the best navy of the time including rifles and cannons the Galla had no earthly chance

[balwarama]

We were not part of your so called Gaala-madow wars.
There is no mention of Edoor either so why are you obsessed with any mention of Darod in your little history.

[Ghiklo]

They are fiercely denying their Kombe Kablalah genelogy lineage as expected



except the Gaal Madow wars didn't happen in 17th century but rather before Futuh Al-Habasha and many Kablalah took part because they were recent converts.

After the Gaal Madow wars ended they wanted to muslimize the Highlands but it was being conducted by these dir in the North along with recent convert Kablalah.

This is where they have entered the history books and there was a traceibility on them from there on

The Imam's war on Ethiopia included Muslim Ethiopians at the time like the Afar in Adal. There was no need to assimilate into Somali society in order to become a Muslim. You have never read the Futuh and it shows.

The real Gaal Madow wars happened in the 17th century with the Bardheere Xeers and the Gasargude Sultanate unsuccessfully waging war on Gaal Madow. Only after a smallpox epidemic among the Oromos and the arrival of Daarood nomads with firearms did the tide turn against the Oromos.

This is massive revisionism. Galla madow wars happened in the 15-century and predates the Futuh Al-Habasha that happened in the 16th century and It was between Galla and Ajuran sultanate.

During the battle of Barawe which took place in 1507 AD the portuguese attacked Barawe during that period the Gaal Madow wars was still raging on the western frontier so technically they were fighitng on 2 fronts on the same time. It clearly mentions that the Gaal Madow wars was still going on at that time.

They were Ottoman allies and had the best weapons of the age available and including the best navy of the time including rifles and cannons the Galla had no earthly chance

According to Ajuuraan traditions the gaal madow invasion took place in the mid 17th century.

There are many sources on this and you appear to be conflating different events.

Demography is definitely not your strong suit. The size of the Daarood clan alone debunks your nonsensical theory.

[GameChanger]

This is massive revisionism. Galla madow wars happened in the 15-century and predates the Futuh Al-Habasha that happened in the 16th century and It was between Galla and Ajuran sultanate.

During the battle of Barawe which took place in 1507 AD the portuguese attacked Barawe during that period the Gaal Madow wars was still raging on the western frontier so technically they were fighitng on 2 fronts on the same time. It clearly mentions that the Gaal Madow wars was still going on at that time.

They were Ottoman allies and had the best weapons of the age available and including the best navy of the time including rifles and cannons the Galla had no earthly chance

According to Ajuuraan traditions the gaal madow invasion took place in the mid 17th century.

There are many sources on this and you appear to be conflating different events.

Demography is definitely not your strong suit. The size of the Daarood clan alone debunks your nonsensical theory.

I didn't contradict myself because the Gaal Madow wars was happening before the Portuguese attacked in 1507 AD and they took advantage of that because they were stretched thin and also not to forget the Galla madow wars dragged approx to 8-9 decades or over a century. It was consistent. The Oromo are numerous people hence branches of them being large is not impossible.

But Alas you spoke your mind of peace but I don't agree lets conclude it at that

[Ghiklo]

This is massive revisionism. Galla madow wars happened in the 15-century and predates the Futuh Al-Habasha that happened in the 16th century and It was between Galla and Ajuran sultanate.

During the battle of Barawe which took place in 1507 AD the portuguese attacked Barawe during that period the Gaal Madow wars was still raging on the western frontier so technically they were fighitng on 2 fronts on the same time. It clearly mentions that the Gaal Madow wars was still going on at that time.

They were Ottoman allies and had the best weapons of the age available and including the best navy of the time including rifles and cannons the Galla had no earthly chance

According to Ajuuraan traditions the gaal madow invasion took place in the mid 17th century.

There are many sources on this and you appear to be conflating different events.

Demography is definitely not your strong suit. The size of the Daarood clan alone debunks your nonsensical theory.

I didn't contradict myself because the Gaal Madow wars was happening before the Portuguese attacked in 1507 AD and they took advantage of that because they were stretched thin and also not to forget the Galla madow wars dragged approx to 8-9 decades or over a century. It was consistent. The Oromo are numerous people hence branches of them being large is not impossible.

But Alas you spoke your mind of peace but I don't agree lets conclude it at that

Let me show you how ridiculous your position is. I will not refer to any historical sources in this argument:

You are unironically trying to convince people the entire Daarood clan descends from 1 captured assimilated Oromo man.

Do you not see how stupid this is. In a century, the Daarood could field thousands of men in the Futuh.

What a remarkable man that assimilated Oromo was?

P.S. I am obviously being sarcastic here.

[GameChanger]

According to Ajuuraan traditions the gaal madow invasion took place in the mid 17th century.

There are many sources on this and you appear to be conflating different events.

Demography is definitely not your strong suit. The size of the Daarood clan alone debunks your nonsensical theory.

I didn't contradict myself because the Gaal Madow wars was happening before the Portuguese attacked in 1507 AD and they took advantage of that because they were stretched thin and also not to forget the Galla madow wars dragged approx to 8-9 decades or over a century. It was consistent. The Oromo are numerous people hence branches of them being large is not impossible.

But Alas you spoke your mind of peace but I don't agree lets conclude it at that

Let me show you how ridiculous your position is. I will not refer to any historical sources in this argument:

You are unironically trying to convince people the entire Daarood clan descends from 1 captured assimilated Oromo man.

Do you not see how stupid this is. In a century, the Daarood could field thousands of men in the Futuh.

What a remarkable man that assimilated Oromo was?

P.S. I am obviously being sarcastic here.

They could easily field thousands upon thousands as they converted in huge numbers. They are numerous even today in that zone.

But alas you are free to shape your own opinion I am not against it

[Gubbet]

I don't know how authentic this is, but I always laugh at how arrogant some somalis are in regards to them potentially being related to a nation they've bordered for centuries. As if they're aren't from the same poor, war torn region of the world. As if their clan is of significance in the sight of Allaah the creator of all nations who won't ask about your clan, but about your/our deeds. If Allah wills, I much rather be a ''lowly Galla" in paradise than a Somali in hell who went there because he didn't pray, or because he oppressed others, or killed many fellow Muslims unjustly or etc. Surely Kibr will lead to the path of doom, and humility leads to good.


As if their being Somali, or Isaac or whatever clan, is going to give them special privileges on the day of judgement. As if Allah will grant them vip instant access to jannah simply because they're Isaac or Ogaden or whatever clan. An Isaac can just as easily be thrown into Jahannam as an Oromo, habeshi, Arab, Turk, etc.
An Isaac or Ogaden or marehan will not benefit from their clan when they're questioned by Allah and that's all that truly matters to the wise one. Everything else shall perish and you won't benefit when benefit is truly desperately needed, from your clan or ethnicity.

You are right.

[Gubbet]

"Why the marexaan chief of the darood is called goyte xirabe theodorus a clear habesha orthodox name"

This might get my post deleted but a small minority (~5%) of Marexaans are indeed Oromo. Some Oromos have those Habesha-sounding names without actually being Habesha.

And what do you base this off of? And I want you to understand I am very, very well aware of genetic discussions both here, Somalispot, and Anthrogenica even if I do not contribute to it.

So understand exactly that I am aware of the "synergy" going on between why;

-A "Libaax Joore" would categorically malign and delegetimize the E-Y163928 as "not" of Darods, including the multiple Marehan testora, because it was in part testing done by the Somali peace project even though they did NOT have "asterisks" next to their name:

The clad implicating many Darod testers >> https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-Y163928/

The clad implicating all the confirmed Marehan within or part of the Darod implicating clad >> https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-Y272428/

-While he would at the same time start topics casting aspersions again Marehan because 1 LONE Somali Peace Project tester with Marehan/Hawlraarsame next to his name got E-Z2115 even though the gentleman HAS an asterisk to his name

-Which then has at around the 80+ page or so at Anthrogenica a sudden proliferation of "Johnny Latecomers" "pointedly" engineering subversive distractions one of which predictably revolves round this self-explanatory "poisoning of the well" using a random another allegedly "spoken" with.

NEWSFLASH:

The SPP or Somali Peace Project tests "everyone" although it is designed to be of resource to people who are from Gabooye/artisanal or historically disenfranchised Somali groups.

The Somali Project "explicitly" puts an "asterisk" (*) next to individuals who have explicitly identified themselves from "artisanal" backgrounds in hybrid self-identification.

The E-Y163928 testers who happen to have resulted in understanding this implicates a great aspect of "Darod" are not from artisanal backgrounds. Not only do they NOT have asterisks next to their names, but I KNOW this as I have confirmed on this board that I can confirm one of the multiple Marehan testors who have identified a "Marehan" implicating clad within E-Y163928 or the "Darod" implicating clad;

https://www.somalinet.com/forums/viewto ... 0&t=407991

Something which does not stop people from your origins and "Libaax Joore" delegitimizing them as "not" representative of Darod because "SPP" did a lot of the testing [even though---once again--- SPP EXPLICITLY puts an asterisk to people who have said they publicly claim an identity which they privately do not something which they did not put next to these people].

YET at the same time are everywhere subscribing 1 LONE test from SPP as "representative" of Marehan because he claimed Hawlraarsame [even though---one final time--- SPP EXPLICITLY puts an asterisk next to self-identified claimants which they put next to this guy].

You do not make sense other than petty resentment. That is it really.

The one guy from SPP that self-identified he is a claimant, you are everywhere using him as representative of Marehan, but the gazillions of others also from SPP who are not claimants, including all the other Marehan, you are everywhere denying they are representative of Marehan or Dhulbahante or Layl Kase---, because you don't want them being representative of "Darod."

All because "Garowe" does not uniquely show up among the test results of E-Y163928!

And another thing, it is not even "Oromo" the clad that claimant got as "Oromo" is one of the most diverse groups in the Horn haplotypically. It is a more archaic form of E-V32 which implicates many groups in NFD like Degoodiye, Garre, etc.

https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-FTA76226/

But in any case the man had an asterisk next to his name meaning HE disclosed HIMSELF that his public identity was a claim which he does not privately claim.

Even though this will be "erased" ku lahaa, get real dude and move one, you guys have beaten this to death! Everywhere!

And it is all "smoke and mirrors." Move on sheesh.

The "Mareham

[Armo]

The Kablalah lineage is still intact and well preserved in the Oromo Clans as parts of them never joined the group of Kablalah who broke free from the Galla and joined Ajuran which was a major victory for Somalis at that time of history. It provided a shield from further Oromo's grassing on our lands or wasting alot of sources again to invade them and in fact there was no longer borders with them anymore as the Kingdom was war-weary at that time after fighting 2 wars back to back wasting alot of manpower and sources into these campaigns. My forefathers part took in these campaigns making sure that Islam reigned supreme in the continent. Now Kablalah who became a new ally was guarding our left flank

The only issue with your hypothesis is that the vast majority of the Darood who have taken the Big Y cluster with other Somalis and not with the Oromo. So despite the interesting similarities between the names, it's important to distinguish between names which is a shared resource and verified DNA results. Darood do not cluster with Oromos. In fact, they cluster closer to the EV32 Isaaq than they do with Oromo.

[Ghiklo]

"Why the marexaan chief of the darood is called goyte xirabe theodorus a clear habesha orthodox name"

This might get my post deleted but a small minority (~5%) of Marexaans are indeed Oromo. Some Oromos have those Habesha-sounding names without actually being Habesha.

And what do you base this off of? And I want you to understand I am very, very well aware of genetic discussions both here, Somalispot, and Anthropogenica even if I do not contribute to it.

So understand exactly that I am aware of the "synergy" going on between why;

-A "Libaax Joore" would categorically malign and delegetimize the E-Y163928 as "not" of Darods, including the many Marehan, because it was in part testing done by the Somali peace project even though they did NOT have "asterisks" next to their name:

https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-Y163928/

-While he would at the same time start topics casting aspersions again Marehan because 1 LONE Somali Peace Project tester with Marehan/Hawlraarsame next to his name got E-Z2115 even though the gentleman HAS an asterisk to his name

-Which then has at around the 80+ page or so at Anthrogenica a sudden proliferation of "Johnny Latecomers" "pointedly" engineering subversive distractions one of which predictably revolves round this self-explanatory "poisoning of the well" using a random another allegedly "spoken" with.

NEWSFLASH:

The SPP or Somali Peace Project tests "everyone" although it is designed to be of resource to people who are from Gabooye/artisanal or historically disenfranchised Somali groups.

The Somali Project "explicitly" puts an "asterisk" (*) next to individuals who have explicitly identified themselves from "artisanal" backgrounds in hybrid self-identification.

The E-Y163928 testers who happen to have resulted in understanding this implicates a great aspect of "Darod" are not from artisanal backgrounds. Not only do they NOT have asterisks next to their names, but I KNOW this as I have confirmed on this board that I can confirm one of the multiple Marehan testors who have identified a "Marehan" implicating clad within E-Y163928 or the "Darod" implicating clad;

https://www.somalinet.com/forums/viewto ... 0&t=407991

Something which does not stop people from your origins and "Libaax Joore" delegitimizing them as "not" representative of Darod because "SPP" did a lot of the testing [even though SPP EXPLICITLY puts an asterisk to people who have said they publicly claim an identity which they privately do not something which they did not put next to these people].

YET at the same time are everywhere subscribing 1 LONE test from SPP as "representative" of Marehan because he claimed Hawlraarsame [even though SPP EXPLICITLY puts an asterisk next to self-identified claimants which they put next to this guy].

You do not make sense other than petty resentment. That is it really.

The one guy that self-identified he is a claimant, you are everywhere using him as representative of Marehan, but the gazillions of others who are not claimants, including all the other Marehan, you are everywhere denying they are representative of Marehan or Dhulbahante or Layl Kase---, because you don't want them being representative of "Darod."

All because "Garowe" does not uniquely show up among the test results of E-Y163928!

And another thing, it is not even "Oromo" the clad that claimant got as "Oromo" is one of the most diverse groups in the Horn haplotypically. It is a more archaic form of E-V32 which implicates many groups in NFD like Degoodiye, Garre, etc.

But in any case the man had an asterisk next to his name meaning HE disclosed HIMSELF that his public identity was a claim which he does not privately claim.

Even though this will be "erased" ku lahaa, get real dude and move one, you guys have beaten this to death! Everywhere!

And it is all "smoke and mirrors." Move on sheesh.

Man, where is all of this coming from. Do I speak for Libaax-Joore or any other suugo scientist? I am not calling all MXs or even all Hawrarsames Oromo. Stop looking at things from such an insecure perspective. There was zero malice in that post.

That Hawrarsame matches with a Kenyan Borana Oromo. Big deal. There are three other Marexaans who scored the Somali E-Y163949.

"Which then has at around the 80+ page or so at Anthrogenica a sudden proliferation of "Johnny Latecomers" "pointedly" engineering subversive distractions one of which predictably revolves round this self-explanatory "poisoning of the well" using a random another allegedly "spoken" with".

Dude, what on earth are you talking about. Keep it simple please.

[Gubbet]

Do you understand how to read? I don't think you do or pretending not to comprehend.

Reread what I wrote and something relevant.

For people who do not understand;

He got an individual which even in anthrogenica is confirmed to be "Garre" and is making the conjuncture to "Mareexaan" because they are from CEEL-WAAQ IN "GEDO." [This was responding to a part of his post which has since been edited.]

This is their MOD---"poisoning the well" and all targeted at "Marehan" because of nonsense implications surrounding where many Darods have congregated haplotypically paternally;

The clad where many Darod have congregated >>>https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-Y163949/

Wherein there is a clad which ALL the confirmed Marehan tests [with my very person "confirming" one of the testors who is Marehan/Rer Axmed from Dollow, Gedo] have come under which forms a part of the Darod implicating clad;

The "Marehan" clad within the "Darod" clad >>> https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-Y272428/

The only other "confirmed" test which can be tied to "Marehan" is the Hawlraarsame claimant with an asterisk (*) next to his name in which, ONCE MORE, there is an "asterisk" (*) meaning the SPP is disclosing that the individual HIMSELF has disclosed that he is "claiming" MX/Hawlrarsame "publicly" an identity which he does not claim privately and is from artisanal background;

https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-FTA76226/

Why is this poster COMPLETELY ignoring the fact individual SELF-IDENTIFIED that they are CLAIMING it publicly and do NOT even consider or identify as such privately? This is not "I truly subscribe or believe this is my identity." This is literally "I am something and that other is what I say I am outside."

Which still in the interest of accuracy, if you look at the actual tree, is not even an "Oromo" clad, it is an archaic "Cushitic" speaking clad from NFD-Liban implicating Garre, Degoodiye, Gurre, etc. Even his use of "Kenyan Borana" is mischaracterization as there are wide variety of Mandera Triangle Somali-speaking groups.

There is a weird obsession and motive/interest here which I would not even "rule out" would attempt to engineer "spoiling" and even fraudulent/foul play sending in tests subscribing to false clan backgrounds. Having followed these discussions on various platforms including the fact some have already spent "thousands" of dollars on "clan" predicated motivations for intentions subsidizin "other" tests----you can be absolutely sure the level of resentment already expressed about the "Darod" implications of E-Y163949 and what it purports to mean is more than enough to activate desire for explicit "foul" play.

For the amount of your contribution on this board as "Ghiklo" devoted to these genetic tests and "NEGATIVE" engineering of clan implicated contentions---just yesterday chastising you for creating negativity within the Isaaq clan--- you know damn well you are not implicated in genetic discussions for positivity.

You just happened to pick on the wrong target this time:--

You do not lie, mischaracterize, and malign people---in a consistent pattern---and then act virtuous and unfairly targeted.

Every action has an equal and opposite reaction.

Be positive nd you will attract positivity. Be negative and you will only attract negativity.