Should SSC Become a Federal State?

[Nolol cusub]

This interesting Youtube clip shows how coordinated the Lascanod rebellion actually is.

A Rahanweyn fellow speaking on behalf of Koonfur Galbeed's traditional leadership promises not only an aid to the instigator of Lascanod rebellion but threatens Hargeysa. The most interesting part of the video is when the Rahanweyn fellow reminds the Lascanod Garaad how instrumental the Garaad was in his first meeting with "the future "President"(Were are taking about Farmaajo). The relevant part of the clip starts at 2:18.



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[original dervish]

It seems your issue with SSC is that they have organised themselves in order to end the oppression of sl.

It must be borne in mind that over the last thirty- two years of sl existence, they have received military/ developmental aid from the international community, as well as tacit and open political support from hagite administrations. If SSC weren't organised and played the long game against such tremendous odds, we wouldn't be on the cusp of victory today.

During the 1990s and later, hagites were running what would become SW state like a slave colony. It was only by organising an armed resistance, RRA, under legendary freedom fighter Shaatigaduud aun, the people of SW state were able to free themselves from the yoke of hagite oppression.

It's no surprise to the people of SSC that there are hagite extremists who support sl oppression. However, I would emphasise that there is generally broad support from all Somalis for SSC self determination, not least from the hagite masses, whom have donated huge sums towards the humanitarian crisis in SSC.

[Nolol cusub]

The second clip shows "War murtiyeed" ay soo saareen "Culamada Somaliyeed ee Kenya". The clip starts with Muslims should not kill other Muslisms then gets the nitty gritty of Warmurtiyeedka:

1. Waxaanu ku baaqyenaa in la joojiyo duqeymaha lala beegsanayo maatida, masaajidada, isbitaalada iyo hantida gaarka(SSC's talking points)

2. In laga qaado ciidamada korfadhiya magaalada (Another SSC farmaajo talking points)

3. Midnimida ummada Soomaaliyeed waa Muqaddas.

4.The most important part of the clip is when a Quranic verse is liberally and carelessly thrown in the Warmuriyeedka: If two groups fight, break off the fight and if one of them refuses to stop the fight, then all of you side against the party that refuses the peace. The verse is a very complex and applying it needs a clear delineation of who the aggressor and who the victim is. In political context this is hard to do. Notice how the Sheikh himself steers clear of the interpretation of verse in the context Lascanod uprising @ 2:45.




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[original dervish]

You still don't get it....or refuse to get it.
I couldn't give a flying fig about some meeting that took place somewhere at some time.

The liberation of SSC began the day sl rolled into Lascaanood with their tanks and guns almost fifteen years ago. It didn't begin with Farmaajo......are you nuts?

We have bided our time, watched, waited, prayed for an end to the oppression. Now our time has come.....every Dhulbahante man, woman and child is ready to make the ultimate sacrifice for freedom.

To think you can point to a meeting, fatwa, discussion etc and invalidate the Dhulbahante right to self determination is farcical.

Furthermore, your suggesting the goal is to destroy sl, and not liberation. Clearly this extreme hagite slander. Its tantamount to saying.....because I'm building my house.....it must be because I want to destroy your house.

The majority of Dhulbahante have no animus towards iidoors, or any other Somali group for that matter.
We are a major armed clan with land, people and history. We have rejected to become the chattels of another clan. Its really that simple......no conspiracy theory needed. Just plain old Somali tribal dynamics.

[Gubbet]

You still don't get it....or refuse to get it.
I couldn't give a flying fig about some meeting that took place somewhere at some time.

The liberation of SSC began the day sl rolled into Lascaanood with their tanks and guns almost fifteen years ago. It didn't begin with Farmaajo......are you nuts?

We have bided our time, watched, waited, prayed for an end to the oppression. Now our time has come.....every Dhulbahante man, woman and child is ready to make the ultimate sacrifice for freedom.

To think you can point to a meeting, fatwa, discussion etc and invalidate the Dhulbahante right to self determination is farcical.

Furthermore, your suggesting the goal is to destroy sl, and not liberation. Clearly this extreme hagite slander. Its tantamount to saying.....because I'm building my house.....it must be because I want to destroy your house.

The majority of Dhulbahante have no animus towards iidoors, or any other Somali group for that matter.
We are a major armed clan with land, people and history. We have rejected to become the chattels of another clan. Its really that simple......no conspiracy theory needed. Just plain old Somali tribal dynamics.

[Nolol cusub]

You still don't get it....or refuse to get it.
I couldn't give a flying fig about some meeting that took place somewhere at some time.

The liberation of SSC began the day sl rolled into Lascaanood with their tanks and guns almost fifteen years ago. It didn't begin with Farmaajo......are you nuts?

We have bided our time, watched, waited, prayed for an end to the oppression. Now our time has come.....every Dhulbahante man, woman and child is ready to make the ultimate sacrifice for freedom.

To think you can point to a meeting, fatwa, discussion etc and invalidate the Dhulbahante right to self determination is farcical.

Furthermore, your suggesting the goal is to destroy sl, and not liberation. Clearly this extreme hagite slander. Its tantamount to saying.....because I'm building my house.....it must be because I want to destroy your house.

The majority of Dhulbahante have no animus towards iidoors, or any other Somali group for that matter.
We are a major armed clan with land, people and history. We have rejected to become the chattels of another clan. Its really that simple......no conspiracy theory needed. Just plain old Somali tribal dynamics.

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OD's lofty end goal: a genuine self-determination something his people have worked so hard, "We have bided our time, watched, waited, prayed for an end to the oppression. Now our time has come.....every Dhulbahante man, woman and child is ready to make the ultimate sacrifice for freedom."

Farmaajo and Haraadigii MS's ultimate objective in Lascanod: generate enough Darod group feeling and momentum to cash it out in the next federal election. The risk to your people and property are only an afterthought. If SSC beats the impossible odds of becoming state, SSC will become another tool to destabilize the present federal Institutions. This is what Haraadiga Barre do, they will not rest until they turn all Darod state institutions(Puntland and Jubbaland) into clan enclaves mindlessly pushing a strongman into power. Guess who that strong man would be.

Here is how the game is played:

1. Haraadiga's Barre's operatives assume that Harti group feeling will supercede Jubbaland and Puntland's state interests.

2. The longer the war drags in Lascanod the better the odds of this happening. It is a nice trap.

He doesn't care to implicate Dhulbahante into Somaliland anymore.

He wants to make Dhulbahante bleed. He wants to level Laascaanood to the ground. He wants 80 year old Dhulbahante women raped. He wants 5 year old Dhulbahante boys slaughtered.

He is no longer Aideed who was overthrowing Siad Barre government.

He is Aideed that wanted 80 year old Majeerteen and Mareexaan grandmothers raped.

They want payback for Siad Barre gov, for Kenadid and Sayd Abdille Hassan regional authorities, for what Shirshoore, Diini, Saleebaan might or might not have done---they want "payback" for "Darood" even having come to exist as a socio-cultural identity group.

They being Caydiid then and the Muuse of now that is being picked up by chatter.

There is a reason the Cumar Maxmuud have already made it to Sool.

It is not for "show" and coming "after" the fact.

They are actually the inverse and the "advance" party.

The real threat to Dhulbahante starts now because his political triumph has birthed sadistic fatalism in Muuse.

He will intend to destroy---not bring back under his authority---but destroy Dhulbahante even if he has to perish with them.

Darod will be required henceforth. In a succession even depending on how it goes.

It will be Dhulbahante and the Dubays + Cumar Maxmuud.

If they cannot contain it, Cumar Maxmuud's presence will implicate all of Harti truly entering led by a MJ far bari (Siwaaqroon, Cali Saleebaan).

If they require aid, Layl Kase, MX Mudug and Makaahiil of Og will enter.

If more aid is required at that point---to implicate more of OG or MX Gedo---God help the north. We are talking southern 1991 grief in every house.

Again, Muuse controls which trajectory, but make no mistake the "trajectories" are known and we have seen them play out so recurringly in civil war Somalia---it is nothing but "predictable."

We will know Muuse choice when he opens fire.

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[original dervish]

Sxb......you've lost me with all the waffle and pseudo political babble.

I really don't have the patience to pursue such half baked Somali conspiracy theories.

I would say this though.
You, as an influential hagite, have all the levers of power in Xamar. The economy, military, government and land are all under your complete control.

Despite this your unable to build any enduring institutions and deliver any meaningful improvements to the lives of millions of hags.

Your engaged in the age old political game of deflection.
"Look over there....the Daroods are coming blah blah blah".

Be against SSC or for it.....it makes no difference to us.
We have our objectives and are fighting for our right to self determination. Only Allah swt can stop us.

[Nolol cusub]

We will carve out our SSC state with our bare hands.
Nobody has a veto over our right to self determination.
We don't give a flying fig about southern politics......we are a unique region and people, with a long documented history. We even had our own state long before there ever was a Somalia.

May be. This is what discredits your claim. The clown in the middle is a co-conspirator in Lascanod rebellion. He is literally standing next to the leader of Lascanod rebellion.




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Another thing that discredits the idea of SSC statehood.

There are reports now suggesting Ogeden militia from Ethiopia crossing the Somali border through Buhoodle and then crossing into Somaliland to participate Lascanod clan wars. How this is not a destabilizing factor in Ogaden's claim of Jubbaland?




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[original dervish]

Apparently.......AL shabab, ISIS, ONLF, WSLF, SNA, NISA, HARTI, DAROOD, UFOS are all fighting on the side of SSC in Lascaanood.

The one thing I can agree with Nolol Cusab on, is that if your gonna tell a lie or engage in propaganda, at least make it sound believable. Otherwise you just come across as stupid and silly.

[LaY-D_LicK]

Dhulbahante are weak people so it's reasonable to believe al shabab puntland Somalia and other darood have supported your fight

[original dervish]

At least we don't fire blanks....... at least you can attest to that.

[skywalker25]

At least we don't fire blanks....... at least you can attest to that.

How many of yours have we had OD. I bet your mum was one before she met your father....

[LaY-D_LicK]

At least we don't fire blanks....... at least you can attest to that.

How many of yours have we had OD. I bet your mum was one before she met your father....

He's a nacas cant get over a past mistake.

[theyuusuf143]

The most important thing is who is financing the war ? The biggest financer is obviously puntland. But the cagdheer in xamar can steal some coins. Hawiye audit should keep an eye of their treasury. Make sure daarods to not use your resources in any way. If they do for dhulmahante tommmorow they will do for the noisy minority marehan in galmudug. How ever you can give some food. No cash.

[original dervish]

TheYusef.......during the first few days of fighting you were boasting how the Dhulbahante would run out of bullets, food and fuel within a few days.

You laughed and laughed.......how you laughed......well your not laughing now.