Laascaanod is under siege - SL has refused ceasefire but efforts are being made to get them to accept

[theyuusuf143]

Ilaahow nin aan wax ogayn ha cadaabin. Yusuf lives bubble of fantasy. Don't believe the hype, Hawiye do not share Water wells, grassland and
intermarry with us unlike Darood that have legitimate argument about SL.
I am in Mogadishu now and whenever I am in restaurant, Bars etc I overhearing what those Hawiye, cadcad and Jidhiidh random trash talk, negative and wishing bad thing on us adigoo kalaan kusoo xasuustaa oo IRIR ku siigaysta.

So why are you there then? war yaa ilahey yaqaan.

He doesn't know , sidii adoon yaroo bahdilan buu Xamar ugu nool yahay. Isagoo nin Irir samale ah oo tower Ka taagan Kara xamar. Only me represent Isaaq on this forum. Ilaahay dadka ma simin I am the authority. Xitaa adiga ceyr ah condom Daarood baad ta hahay , sacad iyo saleebaan baa kaa wakiila , marka Cadey baa baa inoo balana , ilaahay hana cadaabo hadaanan idin ciqaabin. Yadoo Weliba habar gidir nagu taageersantahay.

[FarhanYare]

Its like me going to hargeysa talking crap about locals whilst am still there.You see how disrespectful that is? Even if rer hargeysa make my life hell i would not complain because i went there voluntarily..

[FarhanYare]

Its not just him. Darood go there and talk smack about locals. We need to gate keep xamar from sickness starting at the airports by screening visitors with ill intentions.

[Gubbet]

Do you guys want to know the truth?

Fock the blue flag, fock Somalia, fock reer koonfureed opinion---that is where Dhulbahante has been at throughout this storyline.

He has the blue flag because 'HE' wants it; it doesn't matter if everyone else in Koonfuria is under the 'purple' flag---Dhulbahante has the blue flag because 'HE SAID THAT'S JUST MY CHOICE, PERIOD.'

So Dhulbahante aint fighting for Somalia or Xamar or Reer Koonfureed and even less 'HAG.'

He is fighting because YOU attacked him in HIS house for making his own choice.

It is really the most EXTREME example of 'self-absorption' cognitive dissonance the way you have IMPOSED 'your' issues with Xamar as if Dhulbahante is concerned or even cares about it.

This is why I said an aspect of Muuse implicated supported actually resembles a real cult. Waa yaab.

You’d know about cult followings and dictators, Voltage buddy.

Secondly you can’t speak for Dhulbahnte or know what it is they are thinking because you are Marexaan. You can’t think for us either because, well you not one of us.

So sxb, this is the old Somaliland derby. Thousands of gabay’s have been written about it. Back when your folks were early Hunter gatherers stage. All I can tell you is this matter in las anood is local it will be resolved without any outsiders.

Take Rightwing as example he probably has more Dhulbahnte then you. But so far as you’re concerned his the and his ilk are the enemy.

Why do you always find relevance in nonsense?

1. I don't have any interest, desire, or care implicating your nasab or mansab or whatever else. This is about criticizing and opposing 'behavior/choices/actions' on the basis of injustice and supporting those targeted by that injustice. You are being criticized for your 'actions' not your 'heritage.'

2. I don't care and it is irrelevant whether you even have all together a Dhulbahante wife, a Dhullo mother, two Dhullo grandmothers etc. Your 'degree' of relationship to Dhulbahante is irrelevant to what is the political dispensation, point of view, aspiration, of Dhulbahante and those that support it. This is without even me implicating my Darod order of 'precedence' in this matter with active SSC initialization of 'raised banners' (officially triggered only up to @ Harti leve right this second) which gives me absolutely every right to speak for Dhulbahante (if my position is representative of the SSC position) and especially every right to speak for Dhulbahante with you as the direct antagonist to the banner raising which, still being in effect, can just as possibly bring us into open, official hostilities --were SSC to trigger further level of banner raising.

The point is you are the 'actor' who has imposed the injustice that even has brought conflict 'to' Dhulbahante.


'You' do not speak for them, do not represent them, do not have a single right, responsibility, privilege, or relevance or anything really that has to do with representation of the people fighting 'your' dullan.

[Gubbet]

Ilaahow nin aan wax ogayn ha cadaabin. Yusuf lives bubble of fantasy. Don't believe the hype, Hawiye do not share Water wells, grassland and
intermarry with us unlike Darood that have legitimate argument about SL.
I am in Mogadishu now and whenever I am in restaurant, Bars etc I overhearing what those Hawiye, cadcad and Jidhiidh random trash talk, negative and wishing bad thing on us adigoo kalaan kusoo xasuustaa oo IRIR ku siigaysta.

So why are you there then? war yaa ilahey yaqaan.

He doesn't know , sidii adoon yaroo bahdilan buu Xamar ugu nool yahay. Isagoo nin Irir samale ah oo tower Ka taagan Kara xamar. Only me represent Isaaq on this forum. Ilaahay dadka ma simin I am the authority. Xitaa adiga ceyr ah condom Daarood baad ta hahay , sacad iyo saleebaan baa kaa wakiila , marka Cadey baa baa inoo balana , ilaahay hana cadaabo hadaanan idin ciqaabin. Yadoo Weliba habar gidir nagu taageersantahay.

[skywalker25]

Do you guys want to know the truth?

Fock the blue flag, fock Somalia, fock reer koonfureed opinion---that is where Dhulbahante has been at throughout this storyline.

He has the blue flag because 'HE' wants it; it doesn't matter if everyone else in Koonfuria is under the 'purple' flag---Dhulbahante has the blue flag because 'HE SAID THAT'S JUST MY CHOICE, PERIOD.'

So Dhulbahante aint fighting for Somalia or Xamar or Reer Koonfureed and even less 'HAG.'

He is fighting because YOU attacked him in HIS house for making his own choice.

It is really the most EXTREME example of 'self-absorption' cognitive dissonance the way you have IMPOSED 'your' issues with Xamar as if Dhulbahante is concerned or even cares about it.

This is why I said an aspect of Muuse implicated supported actually resembles a real cult. Waa yaab.

You’d know about cult followings and dictators, Voltage buddy.

Secondly you can’t speak for Dhulbahnte or know what it is they are thinking because you are Marexaan. You can’t think for us either because, well you not one of us.

So sxb, this is the old Somaliland derby. Thousands of gabay’s have been written about it. Back when your folks were early Hunter gatherers stage. All I can tell you is this matter in las anood is local it will be resolved without any outsiders.

Take Rightwing as example he probably has more Dhulbahnte then you. But so far as you’re concerned his the and his ilk are the enemy.

Why do you always find relevance in nonsense?

1. I don't have any interest, desire, or care implicating your nasab or mansab or whatever else. This is about criticizing and opposing 'behavior/choices/actions' on the basis of injustice and supporting those targeted by that injustice. You are being criticized for your 'actions' not your 'heritage.'

2. I don't care and it is irrelevant whether you even have all together a Dhulbahante wife, a Dhullo mother, two Dhullo grandmothers etc. Your 'degree' of relationship to Dhulbahante is irrelevant to what is the political dispensation, point of view, aspiration, of Dhulbahante and those that support it. This is without even me implicating my Darod order of 'precedence' in this matter with active SSC initialization of 'raised banners' (officially triggered only up to @ Harti leve right this second) which gives me absolutely every right to speak for Dhulbahante (if my position is representative of the SSC position) and especially every right to speak for Dhulbahante with you as the direct antagonist to the banner raising which, still being in effect, can just as possibly bring us into open, official hostilities --were SSC to trigger further level of banner raising.

The point is you are the 'actor' who has imposed the injustice that even has brought conflict 'to' Dhulbahante.


'You' do not speak for them, do not represent them, do not have a single right, responsibility, privilege, or relevance or anything really that has to do with representation of the people fighting 'your' dullan.

This is not Game of thrones bro, where you need to raise some banner like some medieval lord. This is simple conflict between a state fighting for its right to exist and those force who want to derail this end goal. You promised in the beginning that you would raise XYZ but so far nothing, plus judging from your above statement are tracking back trying to save face by claiming this is a Harti only affair. You've shown your hand, which as we had expected is holding a joker.

Its very clear Harti cannot dislodge us from Sool so if you feel passionate that huge injustice has been committed, bring your forces and make a difference. All this fancy talk is just that, talk. But can you walk the walk?

One thing this conflict has shown is who is the more organised, the more competent, the better funded and the one who has been talking a good game but nothing to back it up. So Darod your reputation took a battering in Mogdisho as its obvious the poor in that region does not rest with you. The Hawiye are the real power, if they need to display it they will use it as hard power. In short they can throw you out of power at will and banish you to your tuulo's. This is hard power. This is what is happening in the north; we are also displaying hard power. Las anood does not belong to Dhulbahnte it belongs to power. If we do not have the necessary power to hold onto it then it belongs to a more powerful group(s).

[Gubbet]

You’d know about cult followings and dictators, Voltage buddy.

Secondly you can’t speak for Dhulbahnte or know what it is they are thinking because you are Marexaan. You can’t think for us either because, well you not one of us.

So sxb, this is the old Somaliland derby. Thousands of gabay’s have been written about it. Back when your folks were early Hunter gatherers stage. All I can tell you is this matter in las anood is local it will be resolved without any outsiders.

Take Rightwing as example he probably has more Dhulbahnte then you. But so far as you’re concerned his the and his ilk are the enemy.

Why do you always find relevance in nonsense?

1. I don't have any interest, desire, or care implicating your nasab or mansab or whatever else. This is about criticizing and opposing 'behavior/choices/actions' on the basis of injustice and supporting those targeted by that injustice. You are being criticized for your 'actions' not your 'heritage.'

2. I don't care and it is irrelevant whether you even have all together a Dhulbahante wife, a Dhullo mother, two Dhullo grandmothers etc. Your 'degree' of relationship to Dhulbahante is irrelevant to what is the political dispensation, point of view, aspiration, of Dhulbahante and those that support it. This is without even me implicating my Darod order of 'precedence' in this matter with active SSC initialization of 'raised banners' (officially triggered only up to @ Harti leve right this second) which gives me absolutely every right to speak for Dhulbahante (if my position is representative of the SSC position) and especially every right to speak for Dhulbahante with you as the direct antagonist to the banner raising which, still being in effect, can just as possibly bring us into open, official hostilities --were SSC to trigger further level of banner raising.

The point is you are the 'actor' who has imposed the injustice that even has brought conflict 'to' Dhulbahante.


'You' do not speak for them, do not represent them, do not have a single right, responsibility, privilege, or relevance or anything really that has to do with representation of the people fighting 'your' dullan.

This is not Game of thrones bro, where you need to raise some banner like some medieval lord. This is simple conflict between a state fighting for its right to exist and those force who want to derail this end goal. You promised in the beginning that you would raise XYZ but so far nothing, plus judging from your above statement are tracking back trying to save face by claiming this is a Harti only affair. You've shown your hand, which as we had expected is holding a joker.

Its very clear Harti cannot dislodge us from Sool so if you feel passionate that huge injustice has been committed, bring your forces and make a difference. All this fancy talk is just that, talk. But can you walk the walk?

One thing this conflict has shown is who is the more organised, the more competent, the better funded and the one who has been talking a good game but nothing to back it up. So Darod your reputation took a battering in Mogdisho as its obvious the poor in that region does not rest with you. The Hawiye are the real power, if they need to display it they will use it as hard power. In short they can throw you out of power at will and banish you to your tuulo's. This is hard power. This is what is happening in the north; we are also displaying hard power. Las anood does not belong to Dhulbahnte it belongs to power. If we do not have the necessary power to hold onto it then it belongs to a more powerful group(s).

Supreme Garaad of SSC by his own words;



"[Darood] lexo-jeclaa inooga muuqato ee kheyr Alle hasiiyo---Darood u yeeran maynee, Harti iyo Isaaq yaa kala baxaya"

"The outpouring of support from our extended kin warms our heart and for that may God bless them---however, we have not felt the need to call for Darood [banners], the Isaaq compulsion has only necessitated the mobilization up to the standard of Harti."

Raising banners isn't only the a cloth with a Stark "wolve."

Calling for 'Harti' and not 'Darods' is literally, figuratively, and every other way---an institutionalizing of 'raised banners.'

'Raising of banners ' = Hiil

Like 'Hiil' Harti and then obviously on the table 'Hiil Darood.'

[Khalid Ali]

Darood and hawiye oppose somaliland for different reasons darood hate isaaq and somaliland and see it as isaaq project that further isaaq interest. They also hate to be divided between hawiye and isaaq in two different republic dominated by hawiye and isaaq, darood in somaliland are scared to be isaaqsizedw politically socially and culturally.


Hawiye oppose somaliland also for different reasons
Hawiye don’t like that first Somaliland separate because they believe they will get less aid this one I heard from allot of hawiyes. Like sahal and other . They also believe that somaliland independence will make them feel abandoned and some believe even that with out isaaq. The darood will dominate the hawiyes asses inside xamar . Also another reason hawiye oppose somaliland independence is they believe once somaliland gained independence that the darood jubbaland and puntland will also break away from their bunker . So they don’t want that so they can’t support somaliland, hawiye in general are the most anti. Somaliland run ahaanti . Darood toodo wa qabil walaga heshiin kara wala kala adkan kara. Hawiye there is no heshiina ever . So when it comes to Somaliland interest. Hawiye ka fog darood boqolki ba boqoll so I agree with lejustifier.

Anagu I can’t understand how this irir thing can work


By the way gubbet dhulbahante oppose somaliland simply for qabil reasons not that somaliland has done dhulbahante wrong injustice it’s just pathological isaaq hatred nothing else calanka bleuga waxay nigis uga dhigteen they want sympathy from the rest of walanweyns may they. Be rahanweyn or Hutus
Somalinino ban difaacayna wa. Been yey ka difaacayan ma isaaq. Bal waalida eega also the whole we want unity is nonsense wa all being scared of isaaq dominance. They don’t care for unity or anything else they joined buqland because of qabil because they had a fall out with mj we used their prostitute asses. Waxay ku doodan darood xuduud la dhex dhigi mayo. While we have xuduud in ethioiayand kenya also goes through the heart land
Of the so calle darood crocodile tears of jeberti lama dhegeysanayo just be honest for once with ur self and others

[Gubbet]

Khalid, you speaking for why or why not Dhulbahante opposes Somaliland is like your worst enemy you imagine of "Faqash" speaking for why you oppose "Kacaan."

My position is EVEN IF you opposed Siad Barre because he was "Darod" EVEN IF---waa go'aan cidina aanu qusaym except you.

Dhulbahante ma "lehid." Maaha shay aad adigu leedahay oo kolba sidaan u dhigi deetana sidaa u dhigi. Ma lehid, Somalilandnimada iyo wax walaa British hebel intuba umaad lehid.

Inta aan la gaarin ba isaga inaad u lahaato, TINIINAA MURAN KA JOOGAAYE oo adigu ayaaba m Soomaaliyadii 1960 la saxiixay Xamar kuu lahaaneysaa.

Marka walaal, iskaba dhaafe waxaas oo dhan ee isla sidaan kowdi iri adigiyo iyo Kacaan, HADUU XATAA DHULBAHANTE KUU DIIDAY ISAAQ BAAD TAHAY, waa go'aan aan sinnaba haw yaraatee aadan shaqo ku lahayn oo aadan lalahayn reer kaas.

Amaan ayaad Soomaali ka doonaysaa iyo walaalayaaloow faraqeeyga ka fuqa----adiguse amaan ha lagaa helo faraqa ummada Islaamka kalena farahaadu kala fuq.

[original dervish]

Dhulbahante live rent free in iidoors minds.
We don't give a shit about somaliland.....never have and never will. We see sl as the old colonial relic of the 19th century.

This is a war of dominance.....the iidoor believed they could subjugate and dominate us. Khalid was the main proponent of this policy.

Once we are rid of the iidoors, we will build our SSC state of Somalia.

[Moderately2Wise]

Darood and hawiye oppose somaliland for different reasons darood hate isaaq and somaliland and see it as isaaq project that further isaaq interest. They also hate to be divided between hawiye and isaaq in two different republic dominated by hawiye and isaaq, darood in somaliland are scared to be isaaqsizedw politically socially and culturally.


Hawiye oppose somaliland also for different reasons
Hawiye don’t like that first Somaliland separate because they believe they will get less aid this one I heard from allot of hawiyes. Like sahal and other . They also believe that somaliland independence will make them feel abandoned and some believe even that with out isaaq. The darood will dominate the hawiyes asses inside xamar . Also another reason hawiye oppose somaliland independence is they believe once somaliland gained independence that the darood jubbaland and puntland will also break away from their bunker . So they don’t want that so they can’t support somaliland, hawiye in general are the most anti. Somaliland run ahaanti . Darood toodo wa qabil walaga heshiin kara wala kala adkan kara. Hawiye there is no heshiina ever . So when it comes to Somaliland interest. Hawiye ka fog darood boqolki ba boqoll so I agree with lejustifier.

Anagu I can’t understand how this irir thing can work


By the way gubbet dhulbahante oppose somaliland simply for qabil reasons not that somaliland has done dhulbahante wrong injustice it’s just pathological isaaq hatred nothing else calanka bleuga waxay nigis uga dhigteen they want sympathy from the rest of walanweyns may they. Be rahanweyn or Hutus
Somalinino ban difaacayna wa. Been yey ka difaacayan ma isaaq. Bal waalida eega also the whole we want unity is nonsense wa all being scared of isaaq dominance. They don’t care for unity or anything else they joined buqland because of qabil because they had a fall out with mj we used their prostitute asses. Waxay ku doodan darood xuduud la dhex dhigi mayo. While we have xuduud in ethioiayand kenya also goes through the heart land
Of the so calle darood crocodile tears of jeberti lama dhegeysanayo just be honest for once with ur self and others

This is definitely not true because you have been de-facto a country for the last 33 years and never aided any sides but sought to cause fitna from a far hence you never played ball but you were de-facto a country and left by heart, mind and soul. Itcraafka is just a formality but you have been de-facto a country.

As for Jubbaland going it can't happen until there is done proper demarcation in Jubboyinka meaning the North Jubba territory from Jilib, Dujuma, Jamame and Gobweyn which is north of Kismayo and areas north of Afmadow will have there own maamul before the Darood section of Jubba becomes a country of it's own and believe me they prefer it that way themselves because Jamame itself has double the amount of Population Kismayo has and Jilib has same size of population like Kismayo. Jubbaland secession is impossible until these people are within their borders but demarcation will be made and new maamul for the northern part that will join Shabelle Hoose iyo Benadiir so that the darood section of Jubboyinka and Gedo can connect including Kismayo where they are majority which is sizeable area by itself hence they don't need the north part of Jubboyinka themselves and I believe demarcation will come sooner or later where both sides are mutual about this hence Jubba won't be a hasle but the north will be.



As for Puntland it will be hard to convince them to secede and contrary to popular believe where people claim Puntland is stealth sescessionists but that is not the case because Puntland has dry territory and desolate with low population and there is no prospect of building something there unlike jubboyinka and if they are offered secession documents by Mogadishu then they will make alot of demands before signing such as security assurances otherwise they won't sign because in that case it will leave them open for a periodic somaliland invasions in Bari and they can't contain with that since Somaliland has good ties with Djibouti and Ethiopia who can exploit PL with little effort and if the Somalilanders lobby for that they will get the full backing of Djibouti and Ethiopia hence PL without united somalia faces alot of uncertain security issues down the line plus it is open dry terrain and sparsely populated hence if they get penetrated it becomes difficult to even wage insurgency due to terrain and they will also have to get security assurances from SL which won't be possible or easy until they give up the claims on SSC areas and make concessions to SL that they aren't willing. Hence the last province to sign off a secession contract if tabled is gonna be PL without ridiculous amount of security concessions being made to them.

Awdal may also opt for separation from SL if everyone is going there separate part and honestly making demarcation in the north will be fuking headache compared to the south because in the south everyone knows where the other live and is majority but in the north there will be alot of work that needs to be done..

Saanag and Sool has to be demarcated this won't be easy for the negotiation team who will be doing this and then there is also Awdal that needs proper settlement with SL whether they want their own country or not. I believe eventually SL will be given around 80% of Sool and Saanag. That remaining 20% of Sool and Sanaag can join PL and Awdal goes it's separate way with a referendum

[FarhanYare]

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[FarhanYare]

Hada hawiye waxaa lagu heystaa recognize us. If the international community wants to recognize you they can without hawiyes approval or not. Eedodin edna had called hawiye alshabab on multiple conferences in effort to push recognition but has failed thus far.Waxaad ku heysataan hawiye waa recognize us, go with eedodin edna and sell us on the world stage then maybe then would IC recognize us. We r starting to learn their labo wajinimo. we sent wafdi to them under irir banner and another wafdi to khatuumo. Hg has learnt arabtaan labo wajinimodooda.

[KacdoonSool]

Hada hawiye waxaa lagu heystaa recognize us. If the international community wants to recognize you they can without hawiyes approval or not. Eedodin edna had called hawiye alshabab on multiple conferences in effort to push recognition but has failed thus far.Waxaad ku heysataan hawiye waa recognize us, go with eedodin edna and sell us on the world stage then maybe then would IC recognize us. We r starting to learn their labo wajinimo. we sent wafdi to them under irir banner and another wafdi to khatuumo. Hg has learnt arabtaan labo wajinimodooda.

Rageedi sidaas waaye

[original dervish]

They know if they had any chance of recognition........SSC have destroyed it now.

What we are witnessing is iidoor fury......they're fantasy world is collapsing around them.