It’s not about ogaden or hamza

[mahoka]

I want to point out that our mareexan and majeerten friends don’t have a particular problem with ogaden and hamza specifically (even though mareexan is at political war with ogaden over west gedo they still prefer to have ogaden then hawiye overlords)


No, the problem is the opportunity cost another darod subclan brings to the share of the Somalia pie both mx and mj get to eat. If hamza was dhulbahante or warsangeli or any other non mx/mj they would be insulting him and doing the same. Look at mj in puntland who won’t even share anything with each other let alone warsangeli and small community called leelkase

They say what has hamza done for darod but they never ask what has farmaajo done for darod (other than pay few mx and dhulo to be his social media army) and what has deni/gaas/faroole etc done for darod - heck even their largest town bosaso has cut ties with them due to double crossing of the garowe elite mafia.


There is a reason deni doesnt go after hsm but goes after hamsa, it’s very obvious for all to see really.


I got no love for any darod, particularly cagdheer who are a bit slow and usually told what to do but still, I like to say things as they are. I have been on tiktok where ogaden is fighting back again mj/mx munaafiq coalition

[Murax]

You’re wrong. Saacid Shirdon is MX and I say he was a Marxuum too even though we’re both MX

[Gubbet]

Wallahi as God is my witness if Warsangeli ex-minister Jamal were right now PM, I would be more supportive, content, and with confidence than any single Marehan in the world who could be PM.

What is indicted here is a very common human vulnerability regarding the distinction between causation and correlation.

[theyuusuf143]

Both dhabayaco and ilka yar are are loosing the privilege they get used to . Especially marehan has no chance of coming back . I mean it's like zero chance. The dhabayaco can still draw some weak punches but they will never be taken serious. No one respects big mouthed weak peaple.

[Gubbet]

Both dhabayaco and ilka yar are are loosing the privilege they get used to . Especially marehan has no chance of coming back . I mean it's like zero chance. The dhabayaco can still draw some weak punches but they will never be taken serious. No one respects big mouthed weak peaple.

Marehan came back from 1991. What the fock is wrong with them today? They have consolidated complete control over Upper Jubba to the extent their hegemony is today completely 'natural' unlike being 'sustained' (like you were pre-Las Anod) let alone fighting to implicate it's existence (you post-Las Anod). In central Somalia, they have all the focking grass, they are building airports in Balanbale when you don't even have one in Burco, etc. It is the first time in 30 years, there is actually stability. They have made dry ports into an actual revenue producing stream, they are armed, they have tremendous human resources---and really most substantively they have 'time' on their side. They are literally in suspension for that moment we all know is coming as sure as we know every human soul will die---i.e. when time runs out for Madoobe's foreign boots subsidization.

You just talk nonsense.

[Khalid Ali]

what we have to put into perspective is does hamza represent Somalia the bunker or Ethiopia
does he represent him self does he represent a clan or a sub clan . i dont understand is hamza the prime minister of somalia or is he the prime miniter of darood or one for kablalax once we ansnwer these questions we can talk about something else

[Hulkujir]

We will see how it ends

[theyuusuf143]

Both dhabayaco and ilka yar are are loosing the privilege they get used to . Especially marehan has no chance of coming back . I mean it's like zero chance. The dhabayaco can still draw some weak punches but they will never be taken serious. No one respects big mouthed weak peaple.

Marehan came back from 1991. What the fock is wrong with them today? They have consolidated complete control over Upper Jubba to the extent their hegemony is today completely 'natural' unlike being 'sustained' (like you were pre-Las Anod) let alone fighting to implicate it's existence (you post-Las Anod). In central Somalia, they have all the focking grass, they are building airports in Balanbale when you don't even have one in Burco, etc. It is the first time in 30 years, there is actually stability. They have made dry ports into an actual revenue producing stream, they are armed, they have tremendous human resources---and really most substantively they have 'time' on their side. They are literally in suspension for that moment we all know is coming as sure as we know every human soul will die---i.e. when time runs out for Madoobe's foreign boots subsidization.

You just talk nonsense.

You came back because of your fake nationalism , you didn't came back because you are important or laandheere. The hawiye were simply tired of lawlessness and they were desperate for stability , instead of bringing stability farmaajo spent all his time rebuilding the kacaan monument , and misused hawiye money to fight against isaaq and Axmed madoobe.

What airports ? Man you don't have one single proper airport , and the Reason you need many 4th world airports is because you have too many enclaves. In fact you can't even travel between balanbale and caabudwaaq unless you have the permission of Surre and ceyr.

[Gubbet]

Both dhabayaco and ilka yar are are loosing the privilege they get used to . Especially marehan has no chance of coming back . I mean it's like zero chance. The dhabayaco can still draw some weak punches but they will never be taken serious. No one respects big mouthed weak peaple.

Marehan came back from 1991. What the fock is wrong with them today? They have consolidated complete control over Upper Jubba to the extent their hegemony is today completely 'natural' unlike being 'sustained' (like you were pre-Las Anod) let alone fighting to implicate it's existence (you post-Las Anod). In central Somalia, they have all the focking grass, they are building airports in Balanbale when you don't even have one in Burco, etc. It is the first time in 30 years, there is actually stability. They have made dry ports into an actual revenue producing stream, they are armed, they have tremendous human resources---and really most substantively they have 'time' on their side. They are literally in suspension for that moment we all know is coming as sure as we know every human soul will die---i.e. when time runs out for Madoobe's foreign boots subsidization.

You just talk nonsense.

You came back because of your fake nationalism , you didn't came back because you are important or laandheere. The hawiye were simply tired of lawlessness and they were desperate for stability , instead of bringing stability farmaajo spent all his time rebuilding the kacaan monument , and misused hawiye money to fight against isaaq and Axmed madoobe.

What airports ? Man you don't have one single proper airport , and the Reason you need many 4th world airports is because you have too many enclaves. In fact you can't even travel between balanbale and caabudwaaq unless you have the permission of Surre and ceyr.

Iska hadloow ina Igarre, Yusuf cilad aad iyo aad u xun ayaad leedahay. Ficil ha ku galo, se raganimo u lahoow!

Had iyo goorraale waxaad doonayse tirsi yarro hoose inaad ragga kaga hortagtaa. War ileen tannoo kale. Eeg, anigu markaan afka kugu taago walle iyo bille bey ka tahay inaad i saxdo, ama aad beeniso, ama aad burriso waxaan ka dhawaajiyey. Sababtuna waxeey tahay laga ma yaabo inaan iska hadlo ama aan meeriyo waxaan dhaliisheedu hayn. Adiguse ficilne kaama baxo guulna kama haysid!

In my entire experience in life, I have never met 1 single "Hawiye" to question 'why' MX came 'back' in the 90's.

You said we came back because of "nationalism" and other shurunshur business you conjured out of your head.

Warkuba waan kuu gaabin.

Marehan was banned from the 'Djibouti' conference of 1992 that allegedly selected Cali Mahdi as 'President.' This selection was even recognized by Abdullahi Yusuf and Cumar Jees so Darod. Marehan was banned from the conference, totally written off to the extent we had been mercilessly and viciously consigned the way of 'Ajuran.' [This is also after the fact why Cali Mahdi has not been recognized as the first president after Siad which has been awarded to Abdiqasim.in Arta---because Marehan was banned from Djibouti Conference...not boycott, refused to attend, etc but we were 'banned' so it was not 'Somali-wide.']

By the next year of 1993, in the Addis Ababa conference; here is the seating arrangement of over dozens and dozens of warlords and clan factions and all across including participation from Somaliland.

At 0:41, do you see who the head of the table are? [You can see Abdullahi Yusuf, Cumar Jees, Caato, Qanyare, every actor leading up to the head of the table]



The head of the table even in that cramped side function, the head of the table are

• Ali Mahdi claiming the title of Somali Transitional President chosen by Djibouti Conference
• Caydiid on one shoulder as representing USC belligerence ('Hawiye')
• Ina Xaaji Massale on the other shoulder representing SNF belligerence ('Marehan')

Nationalism, fake shurunshur business, let alone kalgacayl and naxariis didn't force the protocol of those squished 3 men at the head of the table in that stuffy, over crowded arrangement even.

This is what forced that protocol by 1993




Garashadaadu afkaaga ha ka adkaato sxb.

Nationalism, shurunshur business iyo faatadhugle walaalow garan maayee---'Mareexaan' baan ka ahay afaarahaas.

[ReturnOfMariixmaan]

We will see how it ends

Oltre Giuba good. We’re not in power

[Gubbet]

what we have to put into perspective is does hamza represent Somalia the bunker or Ethiopia
does he represent him self does he represent a clan or a sub clan . i dont understand is hamza the prime minister of somalia or is he the prime miniter of darood or one for kablalax once we ansnwer these questions we can talk about something else

PM is a very weird role Khalid.

Somalia is in reconstruction from civil war so there is a power sharing understood as 4.5 that got everyone to finally agree on a national governance foundation.

The most acute expression of 4.5 is the clan apportionment in Parliament where the number is set and every group's apportionment is also set.

The top national roles are also 4.5 shared and even though unlike the Parliament apportionment there is no official apportionment, the fact that every government result since 4.5 has adhered to it shows how deeply internalized it is.

So the Speaker of Parliament is voted in from DM, then the president is voted in from HW or DR and whichever the clan he represents, he chooses the one he isn't as PM.

Which means;

1. The PM seat is always the equity of a clan under 4.5 powersharing (if HSM could only choose from Darod, then it is substantively DR equity)

2. But he is appointed by the President,('hired') so his boss is substantively the Pres

3. But also he presides as the executive leader of Somalia's national government so he answers to the nation.

PM is sort of like supplement milk shake that is supposed to give you proteins, carbohydrates, and fats all the same time.

[theyuusuf143]

@gubbet

I stated two things prove me if I am wrong

1. Farmaajo is brought by hawiye public who appreciated some minor victories he scored against alshabaab in Mogadishu. They also didn't like how he was removed from office within months. They had the perception that this guy is a nationalist and he pretended very well.

2. You can't peacefully travel between balanbale and caabudwaaq inside somalia without the permission of Surre of xeraale ( the qadaadweyn isaaq brothers ) that's why you need 2 airports . Illeen Dhul aad martaa ma jiree. Cirkuun baa kuu furan.

[Gubbet]

Sxb,

Hawiye have 60 MPs in Somalia's Parliament. Farmaajo Soomaali ayaa dooratay, raganimdiisa ayuu ku kasbaday.

There is no 'paved' road between Caabudwaaq and Balanbale, there is a historical trade and grazing track that goes from Caabudwaaq or Balanbale over the lush Shiilomadoow meadows and it's important sets of wells in between called "Ceelasha." That track was the one used 100 years ago and it is the main thoroughfare being used right this second still between Balanbale and Caabudwaaq. If Surre live in Xeraale, ma ceeb ayeey leedahay? Their entire implication there is because of what they historically mean to Marehan and the value they accorded them. You would like to make something that is uncontroversial into a controversy from a place of conflict motivation whereas I would even love to see reimplicated the historical affirmation, value, and even desire that birthed two groups of people choosing to share fraternal communion not necessarily because of blood but even inspite of it as a result of valuing and desiring fellowship with each other.



Intaas ka sakoow, Soomaaliyoo dhan baan awooda inaan cagta mariyo hadaan ula maaganahay ee taa meel ku qor oo saxiix.🫵

[Hulkujir]

We will see how it ends

Oltre Giuba good. We’re not in power

[theyuusuf143]

Sxb,

Hawiye have 60 MPs in Somalia's Parliament. Farmaajo Soomaali ayaa dooratay, raganimdiisa ayuu ku kasbaday.

There is no 'paved' road between Caabudwaaq and Balanbale, there is a historical trade and grazing track that goes from Caabudwaaq or Balanbale over the lush Shiilomadoow meadows and it's important sets of wells in between called "Ceelasha." That track was the one used 100 years ago and it is the main thoroughfare being used right this second still between Balanbale and Caabudwaaq. If Surre live in Xeraale, ma ceeb ayeey leedahay? Their entire implication there is because of what they historically mean to Marehan and the value they accorded them. You would like to make something that is uncontroversial into a controversy from a place of conflict motivation whereas I would even love to see reimplicated the historical affirmation, value, and even desire that birthed two groups of people choosing to share fraternal communion not necessarily because of blood but even inspite of it as a result of valuing and desiring fellowship with each other.



Intaas ka sakoow, Soomaaliyoo dhan baan awooda inaan cagta mariyo hadaan ula maaganahay ee taa meel ku qor oo saxiix.🫵

Yes all Somalis preferred farmaajo over other candidates. But let's give credit to the peaple of Mogadishu , farmaajo couldn't win without them . Farmaajo used the nationalism card he never used mareexaan or daaroodism card to win that seat. And it's true after the xeraale war you guys couldn't travel between your main towns in galmudug. We are not talking about the condition of the roads whether it's paved or not , you can't use it at all. That's Why you need two airports in two very close towns. Swallow your ego man .

As a isaaq I would never promote any conflict between our peaple in xeraale and mareexaan. And in the future we will try to convince them and sacad to give acces to you , so that you can can join puntland. Because we don't need you in galmudug. We would rather give up some territory In exchange of an other territory , so that you can leave galmudug peacefully . This transition will cost millions and we are willing to pay our fair share. Galmudug is the pride of hawiye and Irir samaale we don't need laangaab mareexans in this state. Tolkaa dhinac Ka raac .