Tracking Conflict: Something that happened today tells me MX-HG headed for serious, 1991 type of clash.

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Tracking Conflict: Something that happened today tells me MX-HG headed for serious, 1991 type of clash.

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On various discussions on some of these issues, I referenced my "tracking" and now I want to explain this by showing you live as it happens how that is triggered and what it means.

So recently, we have had the murdered children case where Saleebaan assailants sneak attacked at night murdering children sleeping in a village religious school.

Those children were Marehan from the Wagardhac sub-clan.

The place of the sneak attack was Dacdheer.

Dacdheer is a place that fell to Saleebaan in 1991 due to the circumstances surrounding Muslim vs. Marehan in the civil war. [No explanation, just note it.]

Dacdheer's twin Gaxandhaale similarly fell to Sacad for those reasons.

Both Dacdheer and Gaxandhaale were originally Wagardhac localities.

Starting 2012, Marehan "Mudug/Shilaabo/Doollo" initiated a campaign for "re-expansion" between Wagardhac vs Sacad/Saleevaan, Bah Xawaadle vs Cayr/Dir, Reer Cismaan vs Makaahiil.

Wagardhac reconquered Dacdheer and Gaxandhaale and even much beyond it towards Gelinsoor town.

So Wagardhac has been living and even building Dacdheer to proper village for years now before this sneak attack on the Wagardhac children of Dacdheer

The killing of the children was so noteworthy, in particular the unpalatability exhibited by Wagardhac, that I have been looking for a clue to just what we are in for.

Today I got that clue. 👇



1. Wagardhac and Celi of Marehan are uniting and it is reiterated again and again that the 4 Wards (Afar Waaxood; the political organization by oodwadaag or settlement pattern of MX there) are uniting so Ward X 3 = 3 Wards X 3 = 9 sets of Alliances. A need to a "final solution" to the "neighbors problem" is referenced again and again as objective.

2. In my entire life, from memory that I can remember to right this second, I have never heard of Wagardhac and Celi uniting or even initiation of the sets of Alliances

3. The single last time Marehan Mudug initiated this was "1991" facing the entire USC arsenal and huwan in Muslim vs Mareexaan

In fact, Saleebaan AND Sacad have never fought a Marehan clan "Celi" or "Bah Ogaadeen" or "Bah Xawaadle," etc. They have never fought any single Marehan aub-clan except for Wagardhac.

And similarly Cayr has never fought a Wagardhac or Celi or what have you. They only fight Bah Xawaadle in direct battle.

The case of the children has returned a verdict to me based in what I know, and in fact what they also know about Mareexaan.

If you watch that video which is only the preliminary introduction to the initialization of activating the steps to a "united" campaign, I find very poignant the caliber of the elders present and the references to a "solution" with the "neighbors" whether that is "nabad" (peace) or "col" (war).

What this event triggers for me is the realization we are potentially heading for Marehan instituting serious and generational declaration of belligerence towards "HG."

Knowing everything I know about these issues, I would surmise conflict might even be directly triggered by Marehan throwing down a choice (and really I have realized it was inevitable since the re-expansion started in 2012), or namely;

1. Habar Gidir "recognize" once again the "highway" is the natural, continuing "border" between Marehan and them
2. Face Marehan aggression intent on making the highway the border once again and Gelinsoor " settlement" as a direct target of re-seizure

Now this choice is my educated guess which in the end would only be relevant when and if we got to the stage of starting the physical conflict.

But the point of the topic is this event today which triggered the need to TRACK something the nature of the trigger tells me is the beginning of a process which potentially will birth serious, transformational, watershed type of conflict between MX and HG in central Somalia.

The fact that the initialization has been activated tells me it is a safe bet to assume Marehan has made his mind up for instituting belligerence.

Even so, I will use this topic as a live tracking starting with today's trigger for this need to track serious upcoming potential conflict 👇



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In hindsight I no longer wish to continue with this topic. Mods feel free to erase.
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Gubbet wrote: Wed Aug 16, 2023 1:34 am In hindsight I no longer wish to continue with this topic. Mods feel free to erase.
Why ? :lol: I think it's delusional to think that the highway is the border between you and HG , you have no one single village on that road or even close to the road . So obviously the aggregation is coming from your side . And you are using your reer miyi peaple to expand your Territory, which I think is morally wrong . Knowing how insecurity effects their livelihoods.

If Habar gidir wants they can push you behind the Ethiopian border , without using reer miyi , HG maanta waa dawlad , adna shacab baad tahay. Isku awood ciidan ma tihindin , kaa hub culus , adigu cidlaad taagan tahay nimankana ilmaaderarood hawiye oo dhanbay wataan. Oo xooga iyo xooluhuba isugu jiraan. Lacagta iyo rasaastuba xamar bay u rasaysan tahay. Adiguna dad waxa kuugu dhaw dhabayaco iyo cagdheer , labadaba bacbaad Ka qabta. Oo salaanta sharciga iskama qaadan .

Habargidir waxay idiin arkaan gashaanti adhi la joogta oo wiilalna la dhalan. Kufsi baad qarka u saaran tihiin :lol:
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Hawlahaan dhiig-daadasho ayeey maraysaa waliba haatan qulqulaya---xiniin taabasho iyo faan iyo waxa la halmaalla waa Geelloo ku waabariistay meel Geellii ka guuray... isagiyo rarkiisi. Ilaahay ha kuu sahlo.
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ninyahow shar baad mar walba faafiisaa ee alaha nabadeeyo mx iyo inta isku dagan amiin
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Good news. With Farmaajo not here anymore, Galnus will go back to its natural state of choas. There’s also an incoming inta Habar Kintir fight pending. Cayr vs Saleeban and Sacad. On top of that, there’s also incoming HG vs Murusade fight.
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Faisalali wrote: Wed Aug 16, 2023 2:20 pm Good news. With Farmaajo not here anymore, Galnus will go back to its natural state of choas. There’s also an incoming inta Habar Kintir fight pending. Cayr vs Saleeban and Sacad. On top of that, there’s also incoming HG vs Murusade fight.
That's habaar.
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Wagardhac and Reer Dalal declare 'union' for living as 'one' in 'this' land (central regions) having 'security' whether through nabad (peace) or col (war)

Noteworthy points:

--Rer Dalal is the largest Reer Diini sub-clan in Marehan of Galmudug
-In particular it represents the Waax/ward of Bah Ogaadeen
-Reer Dalal is the only Marehan sub-clan Wagardhac has ever had skirmishes witth


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Marehan/Wagardhac in Bali Higis near Dhabad declare "anyone" from 'east of highway' caught having a single foot on "their" soil will be treated like a 'hostile enemy' actively in "combat" against them.

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2 very poignant remarks, the 1st from the Wagardhac-Celi union and 2nd from the Wagardhac-Reer Dalal union.


  1. Starting 7:25, said by the chief of the Wagardhac clan in Caabudwaaq




    • Halaagyada meeshaan ka dhacahaya, Beesha Sade waxeey garatay in laysu yimaadaa. Dadku ama col buu leeyahay ama nabad buu leeyahay. In nabad laga qayb qaato ama colaad laga qayb qaato hadba kii dantu kugu kalifto oo laga maarmi waayo oo ay ku jirto maslaxada ummadda.

    • The Sade nation is aware of the persecution happening in this land and they know it is time they came together. People live either completely in peace or they are in direct, active, open hostility----nothing less. One should either participate in peace or be working to attain it through struggle; whichever one closely represents the interests of the people.
  2. Starting 8:20, said by chief of Reer Dalal, the long time civil war era governor of Caabudwaaq, Cabdirisaaq Cawl




    • Galmudug baan ka tirsanahay. Ummad baan nahay xor ah. Qayb ahaan maadaama aan uga tirsanahay, xuquuq ayaan leenahay oo mudanahay Waxaadse moodaa in la gaaray waqtigii laga xisaabtami lahaa xuquuqdaas. Salaadiinta Mareexaan, cuqaasheedu, guurtideedu waxeey garteen waqtigii xisaabtanka inaan dul joogno.

    • We are part of Galmudug---at our own discretion as a free people. Since we belong to it, we have inalienable rights to which we deserve and are owed. It seems that the time has come to account for those rights. The Marehan nation, its council of elders, the body of leadership have realized that the time of reckoning is upon us.
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Days after Wagardhac in Dhabad staged a dhoolatus, Celi of Marehan stage a dhoolatus in Dalsan village across from Cadaado

As this topic shows, these dhoolatus from Marehan has nothing to do with HSM's superficial war as erroneously captioned by the twitter handle below



It is very interesting to note how Celi as 1 of 37 Marehan sub-clans seems to have more Zuugs than some clans.
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Ergo [Envoys] from Wagardhac have reached Balanbale for 'union' between Wagardhac and Bah-Hawiye

Important things to note;

-Bah-Hawiye is a political organization representing Bah-Xawaadle, Bah-Daarandoole, Uurmidig, and Cali Dheere of Balanbale district & Shilabo
-Bah-Xawaadle and Bah-Daarandoole are uterine alliances within Reer Diini
-Balanbale may be the most heavily armed town per Capita relative to anywhere else in Somalia

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This means Wagardhac has activated 3 of the 9 sets of Alliances

The 4 wards/Afar Waaxood

  1. Waaxda Wagardhac
  2. Waaxda Ilma Adeero (Celi)
  3. Waaxda Bah-Ogaadeen (Reer Dalal)
  4. Waaxda Bah-Hawiye


3 of the 9 Sets of Alliances
  1. Wagardhac-Celi (Ilma Adeero)
  2. Wagardhac-Reer Dalal (Bah-Ogaadeen)
  3. Wagardhac-Bah Hawiye
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Gubbet wrote: Mon Aug 21, 2023 11:27 am This means Wagardhac has activated 3 of the 9 sets of Alliances

The 4 wards/Afar Waaxood

  1. Waaxda Wagardhac
  2. Waaxda Ilma Adeero (Celi)
  3. Waaxda Bah-Ogaadeen (Reer Dalal)
  4. Waaxda Bah-Hawiye


3 of the 9 Sets of Alliances
  1. Wagardhac-Celi (Ilma Adeero)
  2. Wagardhac-Reer Dalal (Bah-Ogaadeen)
  3. Wagardhac-Bah Hawiye
You'd think this posts is NATO about to go into battle not a bunch geljiree's.

Gubbet, get to work buddy. But good luck with getting change out of HG. My feelings you gonna make Goojacade look like a kid friendly playground. These HG are the original dheegcaabs, no quarter given. No prisoners, just straight up slaughter. Your regions gonna be a butchers shop. Iska fadheeso sxb. Unless you gonna pick AK and join the conflict rather posting endless topics, majority lies that nobody takes serious.
Let them Geljiree's make peace. These poor Marexaan geljiree seem like they missed the great booli qaran theft. If they couldn't figure out being Marexaan in the 80's got you a great big house, a landcruiser, a maid and the best education Somalia had to offer. I'm not sure they are the folks to be going into battle with the Original red eyed moryaan dhigcabs. This looks like lambs to the slaughter house.
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