Should Harti launch a preemptive strike against the iidoors?

[theyuusuf143]

As a isaaqist , I don't recommend an attack against you in Sool. First we have to ask ourselves why we vacated from our colony in few hours. I am totally against reintegrating the dhuloos enemies into our system. I even recommend our civilians to kick out those who remain in our capital . In my opinion we should kick you out of ceerigaabo. And that must happen under HY rule. Muuse is a useless . He has no any dignity , I would resign if I were in his position.

[original dervish]

As a isaaqist , I don't recommend an attack against you in Sool. First we have to ask ourselves why we vacated from our colony in few hours. I am totally against reintegrating the dhuloos enemies into our system. I even recommend our civilians to kick out those who remain in our capital . In my opinion we should kick you out of ceerigaabo. And that must happen under HY rule. Muuse is a useless . He has no any dignity , I would resign if I were in his position.

Sxb.....the events of the past few weeks should have taught you that, you don't have any power over us. Those days are gone forever. You can't " reintegrate " or " kick us out" , at all. With the exception of iidoor cities.


Ceerigabo is a shared city....the HY/ Muuse Ismail accept this.
During the Lascaanood attempted genocide, the HY called a meeting with Dhulbahante, and agreed that the war in Lascaanood should not come to Ceerigabo.

So your hj wet dream will not come to pass in Ceerigabo, where hj are nothing.

Furthermore, I can inform you that hj Ceelafweyne are proposing to expell hy from the town.

[skywalker25]

Original Dervish,

Completely your choice. You’ve proved expert at killing them so the where is up to you.


Personally I don’t blame Dhulbahante if the cleared all the way to Burco which they are surely capable.



Skywalker,

You’re losing honor by the day hadal kuma yaalo. The most humiliating video’s ever concerning a Somali Qabil battle have been circulating all over the web for weeks. I understand the embarrassment makes you feel your tribe is compelled to fight but be logical enough to keep in mind 2 things:

1) It is so cowardly, unmanly for you to live safe and snuggle in your United Kingdom estate while wishing your tribesmen not only die, but die committing Dulmi.

2) If you still want to continue beating the drums of war at least have some shame and wait until your dreams come true. You killed us with booto before, during the defeat, and after gorman nasanayna. I’m sure there’s a lot to do in London or maybe it’s that boring.

Sxb, with all due respect I don’t see it that way. My opinion as HJ or as Isaaq is the general majority opinion. We do not fear any conflict or the Dhulbahnte. Regardless what you as southern Darod has been fed. The relationship between HJ and Dhulbahnte is one we have been victories. You can count on both hands how much real estate we have acquired at their expense but you or anyone cannot name one single village they have taken from us. It’s a very lopsided relationship. Dhulbahnte is a very small tribe in comparison to HJ maybe less than Mohammed Abokor. If a conflict was to break out between Dhbahnte and HJ. Dhulbahnte would lose a lot of land. They cannot fight Mohammed Abokor in hawd and Muse Abokor in Bari. They do not have the means or manpower. It’s fair they should have their harti cousins but that’s made things even more complicated because now you will have the jibril abokor from gebiley joining the conflict. You or the Ogaden cannot add anything of substance to this theatre. You are being chased by the HG in your own land. Your two technicals cannot add anything to what is about to take place.

As for me I’m probably closer to Dhulbahnte than you. We are friends and family. But when they started killing ONLY HJ POW’s they broke any relationship they had with us. This army was Muse army it contained all tribes. Why target us for being part of something we are not responsible for. We as a tribe did not declare war on them. We behaved as all the other tribes administered by Muse. What was the reason Dhulbahnte had to single us out. What reason or logic. Did they see a weakness from us. Do you think you can act like this and everything is cordial. Come on. They behaved reckless and now it’s time to face the music. If they feel they can reach Burco please do so. But don’t get it confused we are no walk over..

[ReturnOfMariixmaan]

Original Dervish,

Completely your choice. You’ve proved expert at killing them so the where is up to you.


Personally I don’t blame Dhulbahante if the cleared all the way to Burco which they are surely capable.



Skywalker,

You’re losing honor by the day hadal kuma yaalo. The most humiliating video’s ever concerning a Somali Qabil battle have been circulating all over the web for weeks. I understand the embarrassment makes you feel your tribe is compelled to fight but be logical enough to keep in mind 2 things:

1) It is so cowardly, unmanly for you to live safe and snuggle in your United Kingdom estate while wishing your tribesmen not only die, but die committing Dulmi.

2) If you still want to continue beating the drums of war at least have some shame and wait until your dreams come true. You killed us with booto before, during the defeat, and after gorman nasanayna. I’m sure there’s a lot to do in London or maybe it’s that boring.

Sxb, with all due respect I don’t see it that way. My opinion as HJ or as Isaaq is the general majority opinion. We do not fear any conflict or the Dhulbahnte. Regardless what you as southern Darod has been fed. The relationship between HJ and Dhulbahnte is one we have been victories. You can count on both hands how much real estate we have acquired at their expense but you or anyone cannot name one single village they have taken from us. It’s a very lopsided relationship. Dhulbahnte is a very small tribe in comparison to HJ maybe less than Mohammed Abokor. If a conflict was to break out between Dhbahnte and HJ. Dhulbahnte would lose a lot of land. They cannot fight Mohammed Abokor in hawd and Muse Abokor in Bari. They do not have the means or manpower. It’s fair they should have their harti cousins but that’s made things even more complicated because now you will have the jibril abokor from gebiley joining the conflict. You or the Ogaden cannot add anything of substance to this theatre. You are being chased by the HG in your own land. Your two technicals cannot add anything to what is about to take place.

As for me I’m probably closer to Dhulbahnte than you. We are friends and family. But when they started killing ONLY HJ POW’s they broke any relationship they had with us. This army was Muse army it contained all tribes. Why target us for being part of something we are not responsible for. We as a tribe did not declare war on them. We behaved as all the other tribes administered by Muse. What was the reason Dhulbahnte had to single us out. What reason or logic. Did they see a weakness from us. Do you think you can act like this and everything is cordial. Come on. They behaved reckless and now it’s time to face the music. If they feel they can reach Burco please do so. But don’t get it confused we are no walk over..

They singled you out because you are their immediate rival and neighbor. MX was never your rival or neighbor in Somali peninsula. Thats a delusional imagination of your leader Muse. That’s true across the Somali peninsula. Same way MX and HG love and hate each other. Same way MXs and Ogadens and Oromos in Somali Galbeed love and hate each other It’s the same with you and Dhulbahante. The difference is, we have an higher tolerance for war and pain than you Isaaqs. You’re already complaining about why did Dhulbahante target us? Get your torture tolerance up

[skywalker25]

Original Dervish,

Completely your choice. You’ve proved expert at killing them so the where is up to you.


Personally I don’t blame Dhulbahante if the cleared all the way to Burco which they are surely capable.



Skywalker,

You’re losing honor by the day hadal kuma yaalo. The most humiliating video’s ever concerning a Somali Qabil battle have been circulating all over the web for weeks. I understand the embarrassment makes you feel your tribe is compelled to fight but be logical enough to keep in mind 2 things:

1) It is so cowardly, unmanly for you to live safe and snuggle in your United Kingdom estate while wishing your tribesmen not only die, but die committing Dulmi.

2) If you still want to continue beating the drums of war at least have some shame and wait until your dreams come true. You killed us with booto before, during the defeat, and after gorman nasanayna. I’m sure there’s a lot to do in London or maybe it’s that boring.

Sxb, with all due respect I don’t see it that way. My opinion as HJ or as Isaaq is the general majority opinion. We do not fear any conflict or the Dhulbahnte. Regardless what you as southern Darod has been fed. The relationship between HJ and Dhulbahnte is one we have been victories. You can count on both hands how much real estate we have acquired at their expense but you or anyone cannot name one single village they have taken from us. It’s a very lopsided relationship. Dhulbahnte is a very small tribe in comparison to HJ maybe less than Mohammed Abokor. If a conflict was to break out between Dhbahnte and HJ. Dhulbahnte would lose a lot of land. They cannot fight Mohammed Abokor in hawd and Muse Abokor in Bari. They do not have the means or manpower. It’s fair they should have their harti cousins but that’s made things even more complicated because now you will have the jibril abokor from gebiley joining the conflict. You or the Ogaden cannot add anything of substance to this theatre. You are being chased by the HG in your own land. Your two technicals cannot add anything to what is about to take place.

As for me I’m probably closer to Dhulbahnte than you. We are friends and family. But when they started killing ONLY HJ POW’s they broke any relationship they had with us. This army was Muse army it contained all tribes. Why target us for being part of something we are not responsible for. We as a tribe did not declare war on them. We behaved as all the other tribes administered by Muse. What was the reason Dhulbahnte had to single us out. What reason or logic. Did they see a weakness from us. Do you think you can act like this and everything is cordial. Come on. They behaved reckless and now it’s time to face the music. If they feel they can reach Burco please do so. But don’t get it confused we are no walk over..

They singled you out because you are their immediate rival and neighbor. MX was never your rival or neighbor in Somali peninsula. Thats a delusional imagination of your leader Muse. That’s true across the Somali peninsula. Same way MX and HG love and hate each other. Same way MXs and Ogadens and Oromos in Somali Galbeed love and each other It’s the same with you and Dhulbahante. The difference is, we have an higher tolerance for war and pain than you Isaaqs. You’re already complaining about why did Dhulbahante target us? Get your torture tolerance up

f*ckin hell Saddam. First time you've put a coherent sentence together.

Dhulbahnte share on of the longest border between any two tribes in Somalia. If they hated or detested us they could have just done it directly. Why do it and then beg HJ for peace. Make that make sense Saddam.

[ReturnOfMariixmaan]

Sxb, with all due respect I don’t see it that way. My opinion as HJ or as Isaaq is the general majority opinion. We do not fear any conflict or the Dhulbahnte. Regardless what you as southern Darod has been fed. The relationship between HJ and Dhulbahnte is one we have been victories. You can count on both hands how much real estate we have acquired at their expense but you or anyone cannot name one single village they have taken from us. It’s a very lopsided relationship. Dhulbahnte is a very small tribe in comparison to HJ maybe less than Mohammed Abokor. If a conflict was to break out between Dhbahnte and HJ. Dhulbahnte would lose a lot of land. They cannot fight Mohammed Abokor in hawd and Muse Abokor in Bari. They do not have the means or manpower. It’s fair they should have their harti cousins but that’s made things even more complicated because now you will have the jibril abokor from gebiley joining the conflict. You or the Ogaden cannot add anything of substance to this theatre. You are being chased by the HG in your own land. Your two technicals cannot add anything to what is about to take place.

As for me I’m probably closer to Dhulbahnte than you. We are friends and family. But when they started killing ONLY HJ POW’s they broke any relationship they had with us. This army was Muse army it contained all tribes. Why target us for being part of something we are not responsible for. We as a tribe did not declare war on them. We behaved as all the other tribes administered by Muse. What was the reason Dhulbahnte had to single us out. What reason or logic. Did they see a weakness from us. Do you think you can act like this and everything is cordial. Come on. They behaved reckless and now it’s time to face the music. If they feel they can reach Burco please do so. But don’t get it confused we are no walk over..

They singled you out because you are their immediate rival and neighbor. MX was never your rival or neighbor in Somali peninsula. Thats a delusional imagination of your leader Muse. That’s true across the Somali peninsula. Same way MX and HG love and hate each other. Same way MXs and Ogadens and Oromos in Somali Galbeed love and each other It’s the same with you and Dhulbahante. The difference is, we have an higher tolerance for war and pain than you Isaaqs. You’re already complaining about why did Dhulbahante target us? Get your torture tolerance up

f*ckin hell Saddam. First time you've put a coherent sentence together.

Dhulbahnte share on of the longest border between any two tribes in Somalia. If they hated or detested us they could have just done it directly. Why do it and then beg HJ for peace. Make that make sense Saddam.

That’s what i mean. Like I know HG like the back of my hand. Because I always perceived them as my rival frfr. You love and hate each other. The whole war with Kenya was to even up the score with HG on Blackhawk down. That’s how Konfuur moves. Real mooryans. I really never paid attention to you in the north. Aside from the fish eaters in Bari. You tell me. And I’ll let OD confirm or deny.

[barbarossa]

After defeating and annexing Somaliland, the Mighty Harti should turn their attention due south and do the same in the Hawiye-inhabited region of former Somalia.

[Gubbet]

Are you already attempting to rewrite history so fast Sky?

Dhulbahante did not treat YOUR POWs as "Muuse Sh Isxaaq"differently----they treated Garxajis POWs differently and especially HY.

Get it? You were treated like Sacad Muuse and Arap and Ciise Muuse and Ayoub andToljecle and Cibraan and Sambuur, etc. Not any differently.

Only Garxajis were treated differently and especially HY.

And why were they?

Because they are the ONLY Isaaq clan to hold a clan conference DISSENTING with the attack on Laascaanood and removing their representatives from Muuse's propaganda elders use, blamed the crisis in Laascaanood directly on Muuse.

This was February 19, 2023 and this was the press release;




News source: https://www.hiiraan.com/news/2023/Feb/w ... 183688.htm

That is a fact check on the centerpiece of your misinformation.

And 2, when is Dhulbahante "family" and "friends" and "neighbors" having seen you manipulatively employ this quite recurringly since Goojacadde?

Now, after they triumphed and are ascendent and even spectacularly defeated your oppression with the support of their Darod kinesmen? Now after Darod money from Minneapolis and Columbus helped them overcome your gangup? Now after Cumar Maxmuud tanks and Dubeys battlewagons and Biciidyahan bullets and Snipers from Gedo came to help them triumph over your tyranny?

Where was family and friendship and neighborliness when I participated here day by day, week by week, and month by month for 8 months and you---your very person---was the definition of predatory evil and hate; malice and injustice on steroids celebrating all kinds of unconscionable, ungodly, unforgivable crimes against humanity shelling a people in their own town, in their own home, in their own living rooms and even on their own beds for no reason other than you resented the fact they were human beings who had the desire to have a say in over their homes and lives and families.

You are not closer to Dhulbahante more than Murax and you never will be with that manipulative, predatory, TRANSACTIONAL relationship with them.

Murax is closer to Dhulbahante than you, and so are Mareexaan and Ogaadeen, and so ate Majeerteen and Dashiishe, and so are Warsangeli and Geri Koombe, and so are Fiqi Shinni and so are even HABAR YOONIS WHO SPOKE UP FOR DHULBAHANTE'S JUSTICE BACK IN FEBRUARY!

[ReturnOfMariixmaan]

After defeating and annexing Somaliland, the Mighty Harti should turn their attention due south and do the same in the Hawiye-inhabited region of former Somalia.

You right my own interest was ever securing Jubboyinka and building it. You know what I was doing protecting the inheritance. Nothing more or less. I was California dreaming

[Gubbet]

OD I would also encourage you to reflect on HY clan trajectory in the course of having been faced with Muuse's dulmi. Starting from February. HY clan institutions are proof Muuse's tyranny was not "Isaaq's tyranny." Harti should not preemptively pass Harti clan lines. Waa dulmi to do so!

[ReturnOfMariixmaan]

Are you already attempting to rewrite history so fast Sky?

Dhulbahante did not treat YOUR POWs as "Muuse Sh Isxaaq"differently----they treated Garxajis POWs differently and especially HY.

Get it? You were treated like Sacad Muuse and Arap and Ciise Muuse and Ayoub andToljecle and Cibraan and Sambuur, etc. Not any differently.

Only Garxajis were treated differently and especially HY.

And why were they?

Because they are the ONLY Isaaq clan to hold a clan conference DISSENTING with the attack on Laascaanood and removing their representatives from Muuse's propaganda elders use, blamed the crisis in Laascaanood directly on Muuse.

This was February 19, 2023 and this was the press release;




News source: https://www.hiiraan.com/news/2023/Feb/w ... 183688.htm

That is a fact check on the centerpiece of your misinformation.

And 2, when is Dhulbahante "family" and "friends" and "neighbors" having seen you manipulatively employ this quite recurringly since Goojacadde?

Now, after they triumphed and are ascendent and even spectacularly defeated your oppression with the support of their Darod kinesmen? Now after Darod money from Minneapolis and Columbus helped them overcome your gangup? Now after Cumar Maxmuud tanks and Dubeys battlewagons and Biciidyahan bullets and Snipers from Gedo came to help them triumph over your tyranny?

Where was family and friendship and neighborliness when I participated here day by day, week by week, and month by month for 8 months and you---your very person---was the definition of predatory evil and hate; malice and injustice on steroids celebrating all kinds of unconscionable, ungodly, unforgivable crimes against humanity shelling a people in their own town, in their own home, in their own living rooms and even on their own beds for no reason other than you resented the fact they were human beings who had the desire to have a say in over their homes and lives and families.

You are not closer to Dhulbahante more than Murax and you never will be with that manipulative, predatory, TRANSACTIONAL relationship with them.

Murax is closer to Dhulbahante than you, and so are Mareexaan and Ogaadeen, and so ate Majeerteen and Dashiishe, and so are Warsangeli and Geri Koombe, and so are Fiqi Shinni and so are even HABAR YOONIS WHO SPOKE UP FOR DHULBAHANTE'S JUSTICE BACK IN FEBRUARY!

Daroodnimo ma jirto. Same region that ruined my relations with my friends. Isaaqnimo ma jirto. Hawiyenimo ma jirto. It was all isolation tactics to hate on me per se for really being East. That’s why it’ll never be trust between me and gobolada dhexe. You all folded to my enemy behind my back. I never trusted the US. For good reason. I never trusted the govt. Any govt. Even the ones I support. No respect for that

[ReturnOfMariixmaan]

Dab munaafaq shiday mu’min baa ku gubtay. Wait and see. If you strike, they’ll play the victim card. Either way they are your neighbors not mines. Good luck after all you are Northern Harti and Isaaq to me

And what I say?

https://x.com/kaarbaash/status/17005341 ... zGCtto7uNg

[original dervish]

OD I would also encourage you to reflect on HY clan trajectory in the course of having been faced with Muuse's dulmi. Starting from February. HY clan institutions are proof Muuse's tyranny was not "Isaaq's tyranny." Harti should not preemptively pass Harti clan lines. Waa dulmi to do so!

Once again you have proved to be correct in your analyses of the tumultuous events taking place in northern Somalia.

In hindsight our wise noble Garaads were prescient in their decision to halt the Harti offensive outside Oog.
The Garaads used their foresight and understanding
to undercut the iidoor war hawks.

Skywalker has revealed himself to be amoral , deceptive and hypocritical.

As pointed, out only GX was given special treatment because their elders condemned the attempted genocide of Dhulbahante.

You only have to listen to the extremist genocidal rhetoric being spewed by all iidoors, except GX
The hj were the among the most bellicose genocidaires.
I'm surprised any hj pows were taken alive at all.

The war is over. We broke the backs of the iidoor.
It will be centuries before they can ever challenge Dhulbahante again.

We are maintaining the peace through strength.

[theyuusuf143]

OD I would also encourage you to reflect on HY clan trajectory in the course of having been faced with Muuse's dulmi. Starting from February. HY clan institutions are proof Muuse's tyranny was not "Isaaq's tyranny." Harti should not preemptively pass Harti clan lines. Waa dulmi to do so!

The war is over. We broke the backs of the iidoor.
It will be centuries before they can ever challenge Dhulbahante again.

We are maintaining the peace through strength.

Unfortunately it's not over , and the worst is coming to you , from garxajis themselves.

[original dervish]

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