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Re: I think 'most' significant development for Somalia in the next 50 years is MX & MJ elite socio-politico contract in

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Nomand wrote: Thu Nov 30, 2023 8:14 am People who for the last 50 years have been siding with anyone but marehan. Fueling everyone of your conflict. Created badbaado qaran against you.

Armed dir against you armed hg against you. Have been politically supporting madoobe to spite you. Somehow you want to help them?

No wonder mx are in the gutter.

MJ elites chose HSM - a guy who brought war to Galkayo - over Farmajo. MJ elites prefer HSM who spilled MJ blood over Farmajo. Gubbet is talking rubbish.
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nine wrote: Thu Nov 30, 2023 2:19 pm
Nomand wrote: Thu Nov 30, 2023 8:14 am People who for the last 50 years have been siding with anyone but marehan. Fueling everyone of your conflict. Created badbaado qaran against you.

Armed dir against you armed hg against you. Have been politically supporting madoobe to spite you. Somehow you want to help them?

No wonder mx are in the gutter.

MJ elites chose HSM - a guy who brought war to Galkayo - over Farmajo. MJ elites prefer HSM who spilled MJ blood over Farmajo. Gubbet is talking rubbish.
You know when I started to become capable of objectivity, rationality, logic, and even moderation on the little ego pissing contest between Marehan and Majerten?

When I realized as a Marehan my side was 'not' the 'innocent' variable in the equation..

Neither are Majerten innocent don't get me wrong.

They both used 'Hawiye' against each other. They both used 'Somalia' against each other. They both used 'government' against each other. In fact, they have both used 'Darod' against each other whether they called them 'Kablalax' or Marehan called it 'MOD."

I don't think you both understand---you are in the petty (and truthfully so are the majority of them) and I have become disinterested, even disdainful, of the petty when I have objectively looked at the naturally implicated fact and evidence.

Here let me SHOW you what this means;

Places where Marehan doesn't live with "East of Highway":
  • Marehan houses, properties, hard-earned capital is occupied in MOGADISHU---by 'EAST OF HIGHWAY'
  • Marehan doesn't share Caabudwaaq, Balanbale, Dhabad w/ East of Highway
  • E of Highway" doesn't share Guriceel, Dhusamareb, Cadaado w/ Marehan.
Places where Marehan lives peacefully with Majeerteen:
  • From the Somali border to Bali Midgaan/Bali Wanaag to Cagaarweyn to Miirkhaliifo to Warder there is natural cohabitation between Marehan & Majeerteen.
  • A 40 km shading on the clan border with Cumar Maxmuud and Reer Bicidyahan where Marehan and Majeerteen share mixed grazing between Yamaarugleey to Qaloocaan
  • Dudhub is a supreme manifestation of this natural exchange and even 1/4 of the neighborhoods of Galaadi town is a Marehan neighborhood
Marehan’s principal equity dispute is with “East of Highway" with whom they do not share any 'natural' resources or settlements anywhere. In contrast, Marehan peacefully coexists with Majeerteen sharing serious 'natural' resources in multiple areas and settlements. The conflict with “East of Highway” is a natural and substantive EQUITY dispute, whereas the conflict with Majeerteen is politically contrived pissing contest sustained by EGO.

I'm afraid, Nine, the surface excesses of EGO----is what I have come to find is "rubbish."
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In my first post in this topic, I said;
The starting generational leadership is represented by folks like Ugas Mohamed Keyse of MX and Asad Diyano of MJ.

The laymen, or "people" do not understand it yet and their frame of reference is the continuation of the old grievances represented by the last group of that era still in power.

But they are on the way out.

For quite some time, especially with the result from Deni vs Farmaajo, and made more urgent by LA war---there is a natural paradigm that was already at work that has been clamoring to assert itself.

They have learned from 1976-1991 in 1969-2000 in 1950-2022.

Priorities are different (for example competing to be the number #1 Darod in "Muqdisho" has died completely a natural and uneventful deat with federalism), perspectives are different, even how they "relate" to each other is different.
Today's speech by Mohamed Keyse in Garowe was transformational. The profoundly nuanced way he spoke as a Marehan leader in front of Majerten having gone to their home is unprecedented.

No other Marehan Ugas could have done it or even any leader older than he is.

Recall what I said above. Mohamed Keyse is the 1st generation coming to power in Darod whose FORMATIVE EXPERIENCE is post-1991. He spoke the way he spoke, without any insecurity or pride or subjective personal inclinations, because he BELIEVES IN IT. Mohamed Keyse doesn't care about the Siad and Kenadis eras, he doesn't care about Kacaan and SSDF. Mohamed Keyse cares about EQUITY not EGO and his perspective towards Garowe is SHARED EQUITY.

Don't let anyone tell you that I do not know either Marehan or Darod.

Ugas Mohamed Ugas Ahmed Ugas Farah Ugas Abdille Ugas Ali 'Xaabbuun" the titular prince of Sade Marehan on the central plateau in Galgaduud, Mudug, Ceelcad (Geladi), Doollo (Warder), Shilaabo (Korahe), Ceelgaab or the land of " Himan" whose titular chief is styled Ugaaska Sade Bari---today in Garowe;

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In my humble opinion, this is when 'Kismaayo' became the 'Darod Mogadishu.'
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Over a 100 Marehan business and socio-politico leaders have arrived in Garowe.



For anyone who underestimated the nature of what Ugas Mohamed Keyse's visit meant, this level of strategic coordination should underscore what is happening.

The affair is helping prevent Puntland's election impasse from turning in to a catastrophic civil war, but it is not the only affair.

Majerten and Marehan have both reached their own affirmation of the other's position on the two biggest, or perhaps even the "only" deadlock between them;

1.Marehan ihas reached metamorphosis on something that was always naturally their disposition, when not blinded by exceptional experiences;... namely Marehan is now a Federalist socio-political unit. They are on the same page on strengthening devolved government, resisting Benadir conditioned centralism, and solidifying the need for Puntland and Jubbaland to be a check on Mogadishu as the city state of Somalia.

2. Majerten has accepted what was always really apparent; namely that Jubbaland is Marehan sphere of influence. 10 years of Kenya Defense Forces occupation, foreign amd domestic political aid, plus Puntland's continual support in every way and Mr. Madoobe is no more legitimate today then when he was Ras Kambooni riding with ICU. If the Kenyans were to withdraw right this second, he wouldn't last a day behind them because it is against natural political order.

What is happening is Kismaayo's Berlin Conference.

And it is about cooperation not competition, creating wealth not fighting over scraps.

The goal isn't the backwater seized by Morgan, then Barre Hiiraale, then Madoobe on top of KDF apc's---the goal is the realization of a Kismaayo that challenges then displaces the idea of Somalia as merely "Mogadishu, the city-state."
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It is not my business but MX clan needs to start prioritizing better. Gedo region is literally suffering from the worst flooding. The entire leadership including Ugaaska should be busy seeking assistance for dadkooda. Now is not the time for politics. Intaas na waa iga nasteexo.
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AbkoowDhiblaawe wrote: Thu Dec 07, 2023 4:00 pm It is not my business but MX clan needs to start prioritizing better. Gedo region is literally suffering from the worst flooding. The entire leadership including Ugaaska should be busy seeking assistance for dadkooda. Now is not the time for politics. Intaas na waa iga nasteexo.
Indeed and the detestable conduct from "Villa USC" is why they have evolved on their socio-political outlook to prioritize a perspective based on shared equity and not subjective ego.

No leader from Puntland sitting in Villa Somalia would have acted so negligently, let alone so unforgivably reprehensible, as Culusoow has acted. No leader from Marehan sitting in Villa Somalia would have started let alone paid money and resources to engineer civil conflict in Puntland.

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Farmajo and his trolls actually engineered the LA war through social media. which effected puntland negatively. Culusaw treated all The qurjiiles wounded in in the war. The situation in gedo needs an urgent humanitarian assistance, why accuse culusaw of negletence when he is not in charge of the cabinet. The cagdheer guy should do his duty, to the best of his abilities. I don't think inay wax iska hagranayaan
keep in mind Somalia is shithole failed state , if you expected peaple to be airlifted.
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You must be delusional if you think we are expecting anything from them.

Within the 1st few days, the Marehan diaspora bought, shipped, and received at Port of Mogadishu over a dozen boats for Baardheere, Buurdhuubo, and Luuq. Keep in mind these floods affected everywhere in the south from Gaalkacyo to Ras Kambooni and no other community displayed that quick activation and agency. Villa USC and their band of thugs held up those boats for a month because they wanted ransom money equivalent to $40,000 per boat to transport to Gedo by air. Now keep in mind the transport fees was line itemized from emergency UN donated flooding funds to Somalia. The first of those boats reach Gedo just this week. An entire month held up because they wanted extortion money. Waad mahadsantahay Culusoow. Dantaada qofka ku tusa waa qof kuu hiiliyey. Majeerteen haven't looked back at Xamar since 1991. Ilkayarne maantuu indhaha u furmay. Waa ilaahay mahadiis.
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AbkoowDhiblaawe wrote: Thu Dec 07, 2023 4:00 pm It is not my business but MX clan needs to start prioritizing better. Gedo region is literally suffering from the worst flooding. The entire leadership including Ugaaska should be busy seeking assistance for dadkooda. Now is not the time for politics. Intaas na waa iga nasteexo.

MX politicians today are generally trash. We are not doing well in the era of suits and ties. The old school warlords were better leaders. The old schools warlords would never make pilgrimage to Garowe or utterly humiliate Beesha.
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I very much disagree with your concept of "Marehan" interest and as you can see, for very good reasons, which is you totally ignored.

These are the traditional leaders of Puntland from today;

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Lol. That's it? When push came to shove PL leadership have kept their stance consistent I don't blame PL their stance is consistent it's idiots who think inay jilceen PL leaders might be anti Mogadishu but they are ultimately anti MX leaders above that it's why they were dining with Mogadishu mucaarad frequently in Garowe vs Farmajo and why they consistently support the KIsmayo administration to today and supported the selling out of Gedo officials you don't understand MS iyo Reer Farah Ugaas alliance will not happen each one is opposed to the other and no one will cede claims of Kismayo to each other.

Farmajo era:
Deni: Waa in DF ay gobolka Gedo ku wareejisaa Jubaland
https://www.garoweonline.com/en/news/pu ... a-jubaland
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Gubbet wrote: Fri Dec 08, 2023 9:04 am You must be delusional if you think we are expecting anything from them.

Within the 1st few days, the Marehan diaspora bought, shipped, and received at Port of Mogadishu over a dozen boats for Baardheere, Buurdhuubo, and Luuq. Keep in mind these floods affected everywhere in the south from Gaalkacyo to Ras Kambooni and no other community displayed that quick activation and agency. Villa USC and their band of thugs held up those boats for a month because they wanted ransom money equivalent to $40,000 per boat to transport to Gedo by air. Now keep in mind the transport fees was line itemized from emergency UN donated flooding funds to Somalia. The first of those boats reach Gedo just this week. An entire month held up because they wanted extortion money. Waad mahadsantahay Culusoow. Dantaada qofka ku tusa waa qof kuu hiiliyey. Majeerteen haven't looked back at Xamar since 1991. Ilkayarne maantuu indhaha u furmay. Waa ilaahay mahadiis.
Let's not politicize the situation in gedo unless you have solid evidences to back up your accusations , you are not More Somali than Those in the government. Why would somebody tax an emergency relief if it's clear that the shipment is non profit. Ofcourse you will be taxed if you bring stuff to sell to the peaple. If mareexaan ( gubbet ) brings a boat full of groceries it doesn't mean it's non profit.

By the way you know I always advocated mareexaan to go with their daarod brothers. The huttus also tired of being responsible for all Somalis. Every Somali should go where the fk they want. Case closed.
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theyuusuf143 wrote: Fri Dec 08, 2023 1:29 pm
Gubbet wrote: Fri Dec 08, 2023 9:04 am You must be delusional if you think we are expecting anything from them.

Within the 1st few days, the Marehan diaspora bought, shipped, and received at Port of Mogadishu over a dozen boats for Baardheere, Buurdhuubo, and Luuq. Keep in mind these floods affected everywhere in the south from Gaalkacyo to Ras Kambooni and no other community displayed that quick activation and agency. Villa USC and their band of thugs held up those boats for a month because they wanted ransom money equivalent to $40,000 per boat to transport to Gedo by air. Now keep in mind the transport fees was line itemized from emergency UN donated flooding funds to Somalia. The first of those boats reach Gedo just this week. An entire month held up because they wanted extortion money. Waad mahadsantahay Culusoow. Dantaada qofka ku tusa waa qof kuu hiiliyey. Majeerteen haven't looked back at Xamar since 1991. Ilkayarne maantuu indhaha u furmay. Waa ilaahay mahadiis.
Let's not politicize the situation in gedo unless you have solid evidences to back up your accusations , you are not More Somali than Those in the government. Why would somebody tax an emergency relief if it's clear that the shipment is non profit. Ofcourse you will be taxed if you bring stuff to sell to the peaple. If mareexaan ( gubbet ) brings a boat full of groceries it doesn't mean it's non profit.

By the way you know I always advocated mareexaan to go with their daarod brothers. The huttus also tired of being responsible for all Somalis. Every Somali should go where the fk they want. Case closed.
This is a month long story my friend. Hadaadan ka war qabin dee kama war qabtid.

Here is Caafi from Minnesota who was a lead on the procurement for the diaspora from just 4 days ago when the first boats held up for a month were transported to Gedo (WITH THE INTERVENTION OF THE BRITISH EMBASSY MIND YOU);

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Here are the "Ceelqaaloow" Gedo MPS of Madoobe and Culusoow from couple weeks ago. That's '"Xildhibaan Fadumo 9" of Baardheere saying "Il waxeey aragtay ilaalo kaaga dhan."

At 2:15 she unequivocally condemns the extortion attempt holding up Marehan diaspora procured boats and resources for the Gedo floods. She states '30' boats are held up calling it "Musiibo Qaran" ('State Oppression');



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