Somali ‘Mucaarad’ At Any Given Time Show You How Hopeless We Are

[Murax]

Gubbet,

Brother we have spent years and years in private section, etc discussing Somali/Sade politics yet I am shocked to say Skywalker with whom our interactions have been 98% adversarial understood my point 1000% while you completely missed it!


That is absolutely crazy but it speaks to the fact that when you’re not emotional about something, bot directly affected it’s easy to logically sit and understand what someone is saying clearly. I think you know 1000% what I’m saying, and your assertion that this is a theological argument is so absurd it makes me genuinely worried about you brother. I will actually take that as a red herring tactic as I know what I’m saying about us is extremely unflattering so it’s makes sense to divert. Just know as embarrassing we it is for you, it is for me so lets be men and bear it instead of deflecting.


Gubbet open your maskax for one second and understand THERE IS NO SOMALI STATE NONE ITS EVERY clan for itself. The ‘Federalism’ stuff lets be real is Qabilism which means a weak Gov will be forced to respect clans based on their worth.


It is worthy of note the ONLY clan HSM was able to exert control over was MX. He wasn’t able to exert control over any other clan but WHY?

1) Because MX could not pay their Gedo administration officials and had to capitulate to HSM who threatened to not pay them. MX with the largest diaspora why the hell could they not organise and pay them?!

2) They were coerced because flights to Gedo were banned from Mogadishu. Why is MX the only clan who cannot live without flights from what is basically a Hawiye town?!


In light of this instead of taking a lessons learned approach, and correcting the mistakes that got us here as a clan you want to rail about a guy who’s whole campaign slogan was ‘Farmaajoo waa Marexaan’ is treating you?! That, I repeat THAT is what is actually humiliating.


I conclude with the insult on us has always been that MX are leeches on a Somali State that rely on Villa Somalia and cannot build anything for themselves. Damn, I mean damn. It really pains me to say that we don’t do a whole lot to dispel that notion.

[Gubbet]

Murax-

I think you understand I am a very logical thinker and it is very inconceivable that I would say something about you that isn't 100% rooted in observation that I cannot substantiate nor could not identify.

Would you like to ask me how I came to that?

Hint: It has to do with your last half dozen Culusoow-centered (NOT MX) topics.

As for the MX stuff, you and Nommand have never responded to me on this thr past year, but I addressed that observation no less than 1/2 dozen times and dismissed it on the basis of "lack of context" and "self-absorption" (I can give you a run down of Somalia's communities and clans in that timeframe showing you substantively, not superficially, Marehan is autonomous power in Somalia including n comparison to Habar Gidir, Murusade, and Culusoow's own Abgaal. In fact 3 propositions go hand in hand;

1. Culusoow has exerted no control over Marehan.
2. Him and Fiqi Fowdo and Badbaado grifters tried that shamelessly and even pointedly (taking soldiers away, air embargo, shameless war with a regional population) in effect 'displaying their hand' because it is directly proportionate to how little power and influence they have over Marehan.
3. Inspite of that including they got some of the irrelevant titles coopted through bribery, they exacted exactly 0 substantive influence or gravitas on Gedo or Marehan. And brother need I remind you that I am Rer Siyaad who were at the center of their cooption attempt. The fact Shimbir as Gov was in Garbo exactly with 0 power and authority is substantively what is relevant.

For GOODNESSAKE they have less power and authority over Marehan THAN MAJEERTEEN I am embarrassed to say for Majeerteen seeing as how the Majeerteen people seem to be powerless against Aaran Jaan and even were drafted into starting a war in Garowe whereas REER SIYAAD, 5-6 names removed from Shimbir, and despite all the shameless interposition including flights sent to break Garbo's ban and then escorting through Shabaab territory with resources and "let good ole clan links do the trick" put up a kryptonite wall and said "I don't want to hear it." Waliba si xarago leh bay uga guulaysteen saying meelahiina socda while they fired straight at the next airplane that was sent with "Garbo's taken" while Ciise Maxmuud oo Aaran Jaan labaatan ka tirsado started war in the middle of Garowe on Culusoow's behalf.

Marka my friend this argument has never impressed me because of the superficiality.

But the biggest question of all is---if you will refute my observation on the merits---why do you seem to be more concerned with Culusoow being opposed/resisted than about Marehan or Gedo interests?

I am doing both just very fine I assure you.

[skywalker25]

Gubbet,

What Murax is trying to say in the nicest possible way; is that you hating HSM is a waste of energy. You (MX) need to direct that energy into fixing your house, then you will have equity to play on the high table. If all you do is cry about how bad HSM is, that will not change a thing.

I despise Culusoow because I am FROM SOMALIA.

And yes, I can be completely focused on my own interest and STILL despise Culusoow.

I love Murax, waa walaalkey and my friend. I genuinely love the focker, but Murax (and he will forgive me for finally putting a finger on it) is a theocrat whereas I am a secularist or rather I DO NOT HAVE ANY CONFIDENCE IN A MAN HAVING STATE CONTROL OVER MY AFFAIRS WRAPPING HIMSELF UP IN THE MANTLE OF GOD'S AUTHORITY. To that effect, Murax is a Jadiidi ala Saudi which strictly as mission statement says "every leader is to be obeyed."

That viewpoint is repulsive to everything I am.

It is anti-me as a Muslim who believes evil leaders should be fought and defeated. It is anti-me as as a Marehan who has never bowed to tyrant or imposition, it is anti me as a Somali who only accepts egalitarian republicanism, and it is anti-me as an American who only accepts government of the people, by the people.

Murax, from my understanding is not saying support HSM but rather lets get our house in order so that we do not need him, but rather he needs us. Similar to how Puntland goes about its business. I have never seen someone use the term equity as much you but for all the wrong reasons. Equity is what Marexaan need in dealing with HSM. Currently your equity is so low you don't make a blip on his radar.

[Murax]

Skywalker,

To me Xassan Sh is this:

1) A HYPOCRITE. He openly braggs many times how great the Kacaan was blah blah went to college free, etc. but then will rail about MSB only when it is to oppose Farmaajo during the election. Be consistent.

2) He is a shameless Qabiliste who's whole campaign was based on 'Unuka leh'. He surrounded himself with nothing but USC thugs.

3) He is the most corrupt Somali politician that has ever involved in Somali politics but what's even more lowly is he doesn't even make the slightest effort to hide it. He is a xaraan ku nax with zero shame.

4) The most humiliating, embarrassing moments always happen during his presidency.

5) He is a hypocrite for talking about dictator blah blah, when he has turned out to be the biggest micromanager to where PM, Ministers, Parliment, etc. mean absoltuely jack shyt.


You GET the point I'm NOT a fan of him by any means. That said there are 2 angles that you understood very well from my premise:


As a Somali as much as I revile Culusow there are things I will discourage, or applaud that may seem like I'm discouraging dissent to this criminial or praising him indivudually:


1) The Istanbul car accident fatality invovling a Turkish citizen and Culusow's son. I spoke out about how foolish it was from a SOMALI perspective to enrage Turks who are extremely nationalistic with making posts on social media in Turkish saying Somali president son drunk murderer. Reason I called that out was because as a Somali I personally saw Turkish police harassing Somalis putting them on buses because of a new Anti Somali climate in Turkey. I criticized N&N social media tirade on this because at the end of the day I'm SOMALI, and I care about the welfare of Somalis living there.

2) Debt relief, Arms embargo lifting. Yes I applauded these because again they are good for SOMALIS as a whole. These issues pertain to ALL Somalis not Culusow. But then again if I applaud these I look to people like I'm applauding Culusow.


Lastly regarding MY tol yes I believe it is more important to call out their lack of orginization, laziness, grass root orginizational capablity because I know how the world works. There will ALWAYS, ALWAYS be nepharious, evil people like Culusow. They will never go away, and if you give someone the opportunity to eat your lunch and abuse you they will. The focus should be on the root cause of why you put yourself in the position of being a victim rather then thinking your problem will go away because the crook is the crook and they have to go. Even if the crook goes away another crook will come who will do the same thing to you or worse so why not foucs on yoruself and NOT the crook?


Culusow for all his evilness is the WEAKEST Somali president since the fall of MSB. He has zero ability to dictate anything to MJ, Dhullo, Ogadeen, D&M, and they more or less give him the middle finger. My tol however has been disproportnately affected however simply because of our lack of ability to orginize.

[Khalid Ali]

Culusow shouldn’t be in ur affairs if U had ur state issues in order i think that is what Murax is saying , and u have marexaan political leadership to blame not culusow to be honest culusow is a powerless guy surrounded by pug nosed apes hiding in a Ugandan bunker the only sort of legitimacy he has is what the so called beesha Lixaad gave him he wasn’t elected by the people the only thing he does is beg gaalada cadcad for sadaqo. Sadaqadaas ayu dadka ku laluusha he shouldn’t be important if I had a state with boolis army and a flag and constitution culuso would come begging u to visit ur town and do igu sawir with u but u don’t u look at him for hope something he can’t give u

[mahor]

As long as somali politics is divided by qabiil and there are grievances this will always be the case.