Mustafe Cagjar names the 1st ever Marehan member to Somali Region, Ethiopia ministerial cabinet.

[Gubbet]

For Murax!

https://www.somalinet.com/forums/viewto ... 0#p5047794

[Gubbet]

For Murax!

https://www.somalinet.com/forums/viewto ... 2#p5058457

[Gubbet]

War ileen Murax khiyaali ayuu ku nool yahay? 🧐Look @ the gaslighting. War ileen WAXBA lama socdo ninkaan walaalkeey ah

And that's just a paltry sum of the backdrop for fear of spamming the forum

[nextplaya]

War ileen Murax khiyaali ayuu ku nool yahay? 🧐Look @ the gaslighting. War ileen WAXBA lama socdo ninkaan walaalkeey ah

And that's just a paltry sum of the backdrop for fear of spamming the forum

Murax was agreeing with you. I think he said he used to be soft on the qowsars before. Now he knows. Qowsarka lo ma tanasuli karo. You take everything you can get in galbeed

[Gubbet]

War ileen Murax khiyaali ayuu ku nool yahay? 🧐Look @ the gaslighting. War ileen WAXBA lama socdo ninkaan walaalkeey ah

And that's just a paltry sum of the backdrop for fear of spamming the forum

Murax was agreeing with you. I think he said he used to be soft on the qowsars before. Now he knows. Qowsarka lo ma tanasuli karo. You take everything you can get in galbeed

You don't know Murax.

[Murax]

Gubbet,

I never said I’m anything more than ignorant on the historical backdrop of these issues which you have extensive knowledge of. I will review the links you sent.


On another note though I have no idea that you came to the conclusion that I opposed your views. Yes from a historical context I have the typical Somali irredentism views that I was raised on but I’m realistic enough to realize that’s silly fools gold now. For that I didn’t begrudge you for speaking positively of this political representation step for Beesha.


Maybe you think this is some sort of backhanded sarcasm from me but I don’t play bullshyt games like that. If I agree with you I agree with you if not I don’t. I truly believe Somalia is dead so salvaging what we can in actual functioning countries like Ethiopia, Kenya is completely understandable.

[Sbashi]

How any MX doesn't see this as a win baffles me. Congratulations to the minister.

[Sbashi]

Gubbet,

I never said I’m anything more than ignorant on the historical backdrop of these issues which you have extensive knowledge of. I will review the links you sent.


On another note though I have no idea that you came to the conclusion that I opposed your views. Yes from a historical context I have the typical Somali irredentism views that I was raised on but I’m realistic enough to realize that’s silly fools gold now. For that I didn’t begrudge you for speaking positively of this political representation step for Beesha.


Maybe you think this is some sort of backhanded sarcasm from me but I don’t play bullshyt games like that. If I agree with you I agree with you if not I don’t. I truly believe Somalia is dead so salvaging what we can in actual functioning countries like Ethiopia, Kenya is completely understandable.

That's still a problem Murax. Let's say someone else you liked was the president and Somalia had some hope of recovery, in that case are you saying mx should continue to suffer without representation and risk losing their land bit by bit? Why should we put ourselves in that situation? Everyone "hates" ethiopia but are happy benefit from it and use its system to their benefit. Only reason any of these guys care about this is they are worried they might lose the illegal benefits they had. That's when they start chanting "ethiopia are cadowgeena"

[Murax]

[quote=Murax post_id=5063721 time=<a href="tel:1707103890">1707103890</a> user_id=143455]
Gubbet,

I never said I’m anything more than ignorant on the historical backdrop of these issues which you have extensive knowledge of. I will review the links you sent.


On another note though I have no idea that you came to the conclusion that I opposed your views. Yes from a historical context I have the typical Somali irredentism views that I was raised on but I’m realistic enough to realize that’s silly fools gold now. For that I didn’t begrudge you for speaking positively of this political representation step for Beesha.


Maybe you think this is some sort of backhanded sarcasm from me but I don’t play bullshyt games like that. If I agree with you I agree with you if not I don’t. I truly believe Somalia is dead so salvaging what we can in actual functioning countries like Ethiopia, Kenya is completely understandable.

That's still a problem Murax. Let's say someone else you liked was the president and Somalia had some hope of recovery, in that case are you saying mx should continue to suffer without representation and risk losing their land bit by bit? Why should we put ourselves in that situation? Everyone "hates" ethiopia but are happy benefit from it and use its system to their benefit. Only reason any of these guys care about this is they are worried they might lose the illegal benefits they had. That's when they start chanting "ethiopia are cadowgeena"
[/quote]


Tbh I’m not even saying the way I felt was right or that it was based on logic because it wasn’t it was based on emotion. The whole Somaliweyn Ethiopian waa cadow blah blah is something that was passed on to many even myself to some extent.


That said I realize that mindset is foolish, and not based on reality. Forget DDSI I don’t even begrudge Somali regions to work with Ethiopia or at least not actively oppose them. Somali Gov, institutions, that were very slowly emerging under Farmaajo all got usurped by some criminal dog Culusow. It is my honest belief that under Culusow although he is by no means Somalia’s only problem, things reached the point of no return barring a miracle. I don’t bet on miracles.

[nine]

This post is not reflected from Marehan interest. It looks more reflected from the inverse or 'resentment' towards this development.

You're celebrating a dabodhilif post under a literal crusader state.

Absolutely. I am Bah Hawiye and though I claim 'Balanbale," I am not even from Balanbale. My father is from Shilaabo. My grandfather is from Shilaabo. My father's s mother, my grandmother is from Shilaabo. All of my father's siblings were born in Shilaabo. Do you know the last time my father saw his home village?, 1981. We were dispossessed in 1982---by Menguste with some Somalis riding with him. After dispossession with Ethiopian forces camped out on our land, other Somalis saw it as an opportunity and happily took advantage. And though the overwhelming majority of Marehan land on the central Plateau is intact, my family was the unfortunate minority. We have been dispossessed though in recent years we have taken some of it little by little. Fock your crusader and surface psychobabble about ethno-nationalist malaf malaf my friend. I am the only one who doesn't have a seat at the table over his land in the part of Somali territory internationally recognized as part of the State of Ethiopia. I am taking my mouthafocking seat. This is the PRACTICAL difference between having to defend myself against other Somali clan aggression and state sanctioned forces simultaneously vs making sure I have a say in how those state sanctioned forces behave towards me.

In general, fock ethno-nationalism---I focking hate it.

I don't care about your family history.
Ethnonationalist? We are not talking about that. You think being dabodhilif will help our ancestral land becoming an African West Bank. Getting a dabodhilif position will not change that. A minister's deputy not even a wasiir.

[nine]

This post is not reflected from Marehan interest. It looks more reflected from the inverse or 'resentment' towards this development.

You're celebrating a dabodhilif post under a literal crusader state.

Crusader is the one using state resources to bomb and displace your people.

I don't disagree. Gubbet is talking Ethiopia which was literally built by crusades, which makes it a literal crusader state.

[Murax]

Nine,

When you bring a problem you have to bring the solution. Otherwise the objective of bringing up the problem gets lost. I agree with you 100% Ethiopia historically has proudly been a nation priding itself on being a christian kingdom, who later was in a conflict with Somalis of which religion was a significant factor. That said the only possible solution you could bring is throwing our weight 100% behind a Somali State, but what is your solution since they’re isn’t one?


Btw if we’re talking religion let’s not forget it was Ethiopian Christians who have the Prophet SAW safe haven. Also if we’re being fair in terms of dealings having dealt extensively with both Ethiopians, Somalis; Ethiopians are far away better people.

[original dervish]

Because Somalia is nothing today, it doesn't necessarily mean it will be nothing tomorrow.

The one thing Somalis have going for them is that we are a homogeneous ethnic group with an internationally recognised state possessing huge resources. Very few ethnic groups in Africa can claim this, perhaps Namibia and Angola come closest.

As a starting point.....we're not in too bad a shape.
Yes, right now we're in the shiit with no clear path out.
However, nothing remains the same, especially in a rapidly changing world. As Muslims we are optimistic.

[Murax]

Because Somalia is nothing today, it doesn't necessarily mean it will be nothing tomorrow.

The one thing Somalis have going for them is that we are a homogeneous ethnic group with an internationally recognised state possessing huge resources. Very few ethnic groups in Africa can claim this, perhaps Namibia and Angola come closest.

As a starting point.....we're not in too bad a shape.
Yes, right now we're in the shiit with no clear path out.
However, nothing remains the same, especially in a rapidly changing world. As Muslims we are optimistic.

The only thing, and most significant thing I’ll agree with you on is as Muslims we don’t lose hope in Allah’s mercy.


Logically there is nothing that tells me Somalia is finished for.

[Gubbet]

You're celebrating a dabodhilif post under a literal crusader state.

Absolutely. I am Bah Hawiye and though I claim 'Balanbale," I am not even from Balanbale. My father is from Shilaabo. My grandfather is from Shilaabo. My father's s mother, my grandmother is from Shilaabo. All of my father's siblings were born in Shilaabo. Do you know the last time my father saw his home village?, 1981. We were dispossessed in 1982---by Menguste with some Somalis riding with him. After dispossession with Ethiopian forces camped out on our land, other Somalis saw it as an opportunity and happily took advantage. And though the overwhelming majority of Marehan land on the central Plateau is intact, my family was the unfortunate minority. We have been dispossessed though in recent years we have taken some of it little by little. Fock your crusader and surface psychobabble about ethno-nationalist malaf malaf my friend. I am the only one who doesn't have a seat at the table over his land in the part of Somali territory internationally recognized as part of the State of Ethiopia. I am taking my mouthafocking seat. This is the PRACTICAL difference between having to defend myself against other Somali clan aggression and state sanctioned forces simultaneously vs making sure I have a say in how those state sanctioned forces behave towards me.

In general, fock ethno-nationalism---I focking hate it.

I don't care about your family history.
Ethnonationalist? We are not talking about that. You think being dabodhilif will help our ancestral land becoming an African West Bank. Getting a dabodhilif position will not change that. A minister's deputy not even a wasiir.

You are NOT Marehan and you pretended for too long. You are Ogaden with a Marehan grandmother in Baardheere. Now how about that and get out of Marehan business walaal.