Mustafe Cagjar names the 1st ever Marehan member to Somali Region, Ethiopia ministerial cabinet.

[Murax]

Gubbet,

To be fair I noticed vast majority of Somalis have this sort of natural fudeed tunnel vision sort of line of thinking many a time but I would say you are at the top tier. For instance, the fact that you would accuse Nine of not being Marexaan because he has views that coincidently many MX have is to be frank very immature, and childish. Nine waa nin Marexaan ah full stop. The other day you were running around embarrassingly with your Deni Qurux antics which was in many ways driven by emotion. Fix up, and think clearly not emotionally.

Now to the point I actually understand very well Nine, Original Derish, Nomand historical view that yes Ethiopia traditionally, historically, and even at present is an enemy of Somalia in terms of not having ever wanted, or wanting in the future tense a strong Somali State that could rival an ethiopian state. They are in no way shape or form wrong for acknowledging that line of thought because it's clear as day. Where I divulge from them, counter them is by saying the xaasidnimo stab in the back of my so called Somali bretheren is way more devastating and hurts me 100x then Ethiopians ever could. We are in 2024, and not in the 15th, 16th, 17th, 18th, 19th, 20th century. Currently the enmity dispalyed by Somalis to other Somalis including the Deni you have a crush on is 100x worse than any enmity that could be displayed by an ethiopian. For this reason I say live in the moment, future and as a Tol (MX, Dhulbahante, etc.) think in your own best interests which includes abandoning even the slightest hint of irredentism ideology. If you are in Ethiopia proper respect their laws and live as a citizen. If in Somalia don't go out of your way to oppose them as even the so called Somali president Culusow will beat you to Abiy's door.

[Gubbet]

Regarding your admonishment, advice well taken although I should tell you I used big letters, screamed, and even epithets for effect. I did it even with knowing or suspecting who reads me. I don't care about impressing anybody sxb. When someone has implicated my ire, I will direct it at them obviously taking into consideration the context or proportionality for how and what manner I do it. But in any case, I am not even really angry or screaming or cursing although admittedly it is distractive.

As regards your assuredness about Nine being MX, I have no justification for saying anyone in this topic is MX except for you because I know you, your siblings, your family. And you know me, my siblings, my family. Evem relatives. But the point is this goes back to my original observation up---you just say, matter of factly, someone is something you really do not really know orfor that matter beyond a shadow of a doubt.

Regardless, lately I realize we butt heads and I neither find it appealing or constructive. Let's respect each other's space.

[original dervish]

I really don't understand brother Gubbet's vitriol.
I'm not against increasing Marehan representation and equity in Ethiopian politics. Now you can take this anyway you want. My point was only.....BIG F*@#ING DEAL.

Undoubtedly Somalia is dead for the foreseeable future, and the only existing political, economic and military entity is based around tribal affiliation. As such I am a tribalist out of necessity.....not desire. The recent attempted genocide against us by the iidoors, with federal hagite complicity vindicates this position.

However, I'm under no illusion that a Somalia fragmented into scores of tiny competing tribal fiefdom will never amount to shiit. Yeah, sure it can protect you from the genocidal ambitions of hostile neighbouring clans, and that can't be understated enough.

It should be understood that we as Somalis are devolving back to the stone age......it may be appropriate for current conditions, but it's certainly nothing to celebrate.

[Gubbet]

This land is not Somalia. It never was even during the brief period in the 1977 war when the rest of the world considered it "occupied" by Somalia. This land was not even Italian Somaliland nor even British Somaliland which make up Somalia.

This land was merely Marehan clan territory under no state, Somali or otherwise before 1930's and it has been Marehan clan territory under the state of Ethiopia since the 1930's.

This has nothing to do with Somalia.

It is as Ethiopia as Dirir Dhaba.

The only people who haven't acted like it are Marehan and that's why they have no schools, no clinics, no markets, no basic rudimentary service and even have no representation, input, choice, voice, seat at the table and even worse are otherized by others who covet their land and use state resources, arme, even authority to try to dispossess them depending on their blind, self-defeating lunacy of acting like their land wasn't in Ethiopia.

This has nothing to do with Somalia. Somalia stops at a Caabudwaaq. Your Somalia imposition is distractive and burdensome to our cause. Bring in Somalia when it is about Qabridahar and Jigjiga and Dhagaxbuur. We don't need or care for the Somalia imposition in front of the equity of the only group in Ethiopia who has been virtually politically erased as a result of the Somalia imposition.

Thank you.

[BigBreak]

Every inch of Ethiopian territory belongs to every Ethiopian citizen regardless of clan, ethnicity or religion

[original dervish]

This land is not Somalia. It never was even during the brief period in the 1977 war when the rest of the world considered it "occupied" by Somalia. This land was not even Italian Somaliland nor even British Somaliland which make up Somalia.

This land was merely Marehan clan territory under no state, Somali or otherwise before 1930's and it has been Marehan clan territory under the state of Ethiopia since the 1930's.

This has nothing to do with Somalia.

It is as Ethiopia as Dirir Dhaba.

The only people who haven't acted like it are Marehan and that's why they have no schools, no clinics, no markets, no basic rudimentary service and even have no representation, input, choice, voice, seat at the table and even worse are otherized by others who covet their land and use state resources, arme, even authority to try to dispossess them depending on their blind, self-defeating lunacy of acting like their land wasn't in Ethiopia.

This has nothing to do with Somalia. Somalia stops at a Caabudwaaq. Your Somalia imposition is distractive and burdensome to our cause. Bring in Somalia when it is about Qabridahar and Jigjiga and Dhagaxbuur. We don't need or care for the Somalia imposition in front of the equity of the only group in Ethiopia who has been virtually politically erased as a result of the Somalia imposition.

Thank you.

[Gubbet]

Every inch of Ethiopian territory belongs to every Ethiopian citizen regardless of clan, ethnicity or religion

The Gumuz, Amhara, Shinasa state of war in Banishangul Gumuz wants to have a word with you.

[Gubbet]

Nine-

I want to apologize to you. Absolutely nothing justifies my conduct towards you. Really I can say the response reflects the strength of my interest in the subject matter but even that is burdensome to the fact you did not deserve my reaction. Murax is right and for that I extend towards you my deepest regret for having imposed it on your person.

[Murax]

Regarding your admonishment, advice well taken although I should tell you I used big letters, screamed, and even epithets for effect. I did it even with knowing or suspecting who reads me. I don't care about impressing anybody sxb. When someone has implicated my ire, I will direct it at them obviously taking into consideration the context or proportionality for how and what manner I do it. But in any case, I am not even really angry or screaming or cursing although admittedly it is distractive.

As regards your assuredness about Nine being MX, I have no justification for saying anyone in this topic is MX except for you because I know you, your siblings, your family. And you know me, my siblings, my family. Evem relatives. But the point is this goes back to my original observation up---you just say, matter of factly, someone is something you really do not really know orfor that matter beyond a shadow of a doubt.

Regardless, lately I realize we butt heads and I neither find it appealing or constructive. Let's respect each other's space.

I have always respected you, and out of my respect for you I’ll oblige your request. Tbh on this particular issue at all I didn’t disagree with you which honestly confused me. Just to reiterate my position historically yes I believe it was a fact Ethiopia and Somalia/Somalis were rivals vying for dominance as most neighbouring countries post WW2 has between them. I think I have always been pragmatic about the issue even to the point I heavily criticised MSB AUN for the 1977 Ogadeen war which I honestly believe ultimately led to Somalia’s death. In hindsight I believe we would have 100% been better off suing doe peace with the Ethiopian State in the 60s, 70s and completely relinquishing any claim to Eastern Ethiopia and agree to live peacefully as neighbours.

[nine]

Regarding your admonishment, advice well taken although I should tell you I used big letters, screamed, and even epithets for effect. I did it even with knowing or suspecting who reads me. I don't care about impressing anybody sxb. When someone has implicated my ire, I will direct it at them obviously taking into consideration the context or proportionality for how and what manner I do it. But in any case, I am not even really angry or screaming or cursing although admittedly it is distractive.

As regards your assuredness about Nine being MX, I have no justification for saying anyone in this topic is MX except for you because I know you, your siblings, your family. And you know me, my siblings, my family. Evem relatives. But the point is this goes back to my original observation up---you just say, matter of factly, someone is something you really do not really know orfor that matter beyond a shadow of a doubt.

Regardless, lately I realize we butt heads and I neither find it appealing or constructive. Let's respect each other's space.

I have always respected you, and out of my respect for you I’ll oblige your request. Tbh on this particular issue at all I didn’t disagree with you which honestly confused me. Just to reiterate my position historically yes I believe it was a fact Ethiopia and Somalia/Somalis were rivals vying for dominance as most neighbouring countries post WW2 has between them. I think I have always been pragmatic about the issue even to the point I heavily criticised MSB AUN for the 1977 Ogadeen war which I honestly believe ultimately led to Somalia’s death. In hindsight I believe we would have 100% been better off suing doe peace with the Ethiopian State in the 60s, 70s and completely relinquishing any claim to Eastern Ethiopia and agree to live peacefully as neighbours.

Your statement is really naive. Somalia in its current borders is not viable, it's like an African Yemen without Qat farming. A resource-free hellhole. Atleast Yemen has defensible mountains making full scale invasions much harder.
Somalia has no control over water resources so when they finish with Egypt they can turn to the Jubba what will you do when Somalia is a little wildebeest?
The amount of farmland and resources missing was too much to give up on.

[nine]

Nine-

I want to apologize to you. Absolutely nothing justifies my conduct towards you. Really I can say the response reflects the strength of my interest in the subject matter but even that is burdensome to the fact you did not deserve my reaction. Murax is right and for that I extend towards you my deepest regret for having imposed it on your person.

OK