Evidence : Sharia is the pre islamic Arab culture

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Evidence : Sharia is the pre islamic Arab culture

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"The Arabs during the pre-Islamic period used to practice certain things that were included in the Islamic Sharia. They, for example, did not marry both a mother and her daughter. They considered marrying two sisters simultaneously to be a most heinous crime. They also censured anyone who married his stepmother, and called him dhaizan.

They made the major hajj and the minor umra pilgrimage to the Ka'ba, performed the circumlocution around the Ka'ba tawaf, ran seven times between Mounts Safa and Marwa sa'y, threw rocks and washed themselves after sexual intercourse. They also gargled, sniffed water up into their noses, clipped their fingernails, removed all pubic hair and performed ritual circumcision. Likewise, they cut off the right hand of a thief and stoned Adulterers"

Muhammad Shukri al-Alusi,
Bulugh al-'Arab fi Ahwal al-'Arab, Vol. 2, p. 122
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Re: Sharia is the pre islamic Arab culture

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If all these practices existed before the islam. What's the added value ? Religions are just an organized cultural practices.
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Re: Evidence : Sharia is the pre islamic Arab culture

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This is your belief......and it's ok.
There is no compulsion in religion.
When did you leave Islam.....After reaching the West?
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original dervish wrote: Wed Jul 10, 2024 6:51 am This is your belief......and it's ok.
There is no compulsion in religion.
When did you leave Islam.....After reaching the West?
I believe nothing , except that god exists. It's logic to believe that something created the universe and the living things. It's not logic to say the whole thing is created by itself.

In this example ( the pre Arab practices) , I think it was good practice, to not FK your mother in law , or to clean yourself in multiple different ways , in todays islamic studies this called Fiqi, the Hajj thing makes no sense for me. I think it's just a way of collecting money from som gullible peaple.
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Re: Evidence : Sharia is the pre islamic Arab culture

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You believe in God.....but not religion.
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original dervish wrote: Wed Jul 10, 2024 9:23 am You believe in God.....but not religion.
Yes , I believe in god based on my own views. I have realised most Abrahamic religions are the same thing recycled over and over again. Some practices existed thousands of years before the existence of the modern religions. I think it's better if the person cut the middle men and connect to god straight away in his own unique way. If you prefer you can study different religions and take what you like about from each one.
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Re: Evidence : Sharia is the pre islamic Arab culture

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theyuusuf143 wrote: Wed Jul 10, 2024 11:35 am
original dervish wrote: Wed Jul 10, 2024 9:23 am You believe in God.....but not religion.
Yes , I believe in god based on my own views. I have realised most Abrahamic religions are the same thing recycled over and over again. Some practices existed thousands of years before the existence of the modern religions. I think it's better if the person cut the middle men and connect to god straight away in his own unique way. If you prefer you can study different religions and take what you like about from each one.
When did you arrive at such beliefs?
Was it in Somalia.....or when you made it to the West?
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Re: Evidence : Sharia is the pre islamic Arab culture

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original dervish wrote: Thu Jul 11, 2024 7:47 am
theyuusuf143 wrote: Wed Jul 10, 2024 11:35 am
original dervish wrote: Wed Jul 10, 2024 9:23 am You believe in God.....but not religion.
Yes , I believe in god based on my own views. I have realised most Abrahamic religions are the same thing recycled over and over again. Some practices existed thousands of years before the existence of the modern religions. I think it's better if the person cut the middle men and connect to god straight away in his own unique way. If you prefer you can study different religions and take what you like about from each one.
When did you arrive at such beliefs?
Was it in Somalia.....or when you made it to the West?
What beliefs , I believe nothing , I just read a lot about the ancient civilizations of iraq, the lavent and Yemen. I am not interested about any particular religion. But sometimes I come across very interesting things like the one I posted above.

I lived half of my life in the west , you know I over stayed there to the point I don't even use water in my musqul. :lol: so yes I lot has changed about me since arrived the free land.
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Re: Evidence : Sharia is the pre islamic Arab culture

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The sharia is based on the laws of allah

The kaaba was built by Ibrahim the Arab idol worshipers brought paganism there and allah then with the revelation made sure it became
Sacred saffa and
Marwa is based
On the story of hagar not about the Arab pagans who worshipped alaat
Al
Manat and al
Uzza
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Re: Evidence : Sharia is the pre islamic Arab culture

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Khalid Ali wrote: Thu Jul 11, 2024 1:49 pm The sharia is based on the laws of allah

The kaaba was built by Ibrahim the Arab idol worshipers brought paganism there and allah then with the revelation made sure it became
Sacred saffa and
Marwa is based
On the story of hagar not about the Arab pagans who worshipped alaat
Al
Manat and al
Uzza
Some scholars argue the name Allah is associated with pre Islamic Arab deity. For example names like abdallah , existed before islam. So you can see peaple worshipped Allah before islam.

One of the most interesting things I came across is even the crescent has pagan roots. It's not a symbol of Islam.

Culture and history has great influence in all types of religions.
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